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System Affinity, Insecurity, Validation & Fanboyism
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Hey, look, we found an example the OP is talking about
I see you just handpicked the last part of my sentence there...good job. I was just stating that it happens all the time in most threads about most games and all consoles. It's human nature and something that will not change without stronger moderation to the point where it's too extreme.
Yup, exactly what I'm talking about. The more niche RPG OTs are fine because people know exactly what they are getting with those games. Whereas the more well-known JRPG threads end up having a lot of people who either haven't kept up with the genre or are just super cynical about in and complain that 'JRPGs just aren't what they used to be'. Then you've got the opposite end of it with the JRPG fans who feel they are being constantly attacked and have to be overly defensive about any criticisms.
You're not wrong. People do need to chill. I'm just saying the trigger was pretty obvious and of course you knew that writing it, but when it is a triggered topic it's going to be overly specific. It was very heavily leaned towards Switch to where it might have been more honest to make a Switch fans need to chill thread. You're right it might have been locked but... I mean, it would have been a much more honest take.
Every day is a new shining example of how fanboys need to chill. You have the materials to make a prolific and damning attack if you need to unload about fanboyism in general—not that anyone is really unaware of the problems—but you chose to just refer vaguely to the switch and pretend like you were talking about everyone. While nodding that you were talking about the Switch. Just, bruh, say what you gotta say, is all I'm saying.
The person you were agreeing with definitely wasn't implying that Nintendo fans had it rough on message boards lol
What? Because this doesn't add nothing at all?
An analyst gave an opinion on Hardware Sales & It equates to tribalism?
Hey look, a bullshit hot take perfect to match the original. Congrats
I would say a game selling a lot or winning a lot of awards is basically news.
A thread where the title is literally "Switch is killing it this Summer" or "Microsoft is the pro consumer king" kind of veer off into other waters.
To be honest, the trigger seems to be exclusives. The Sea of Thieves, Detroit and State of Decay review threads were a shitshow
Because he was attacked for having that opinion and was being discredited as an analyst by those that enjoy their Sony products.
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Someone went at me for this earlier and I still don't get the complaint. Of course I knew what I was talking about (some didn't mind you). This isn't damning or unloading, I genuinely want to know why people get like this. Even if I'm specifying Switch fans, this is still something we've experience from all groups across multiple gens.
Some of it's human nature, unfortunately, or the progression of online discussions with people who might lack basic maturity or discipline... paired with anonymity.
I bet car enthusiast forums are just as bad.
Is it so utterly impossible for you to understand that OP has been observing this problem for quite some time now, and so this specific instance relating to the switch, with several examples of it at once, were the thing that made him, go, "okay, I see this a lot, I'm going to post about it because it bothers me, because here I see it happening again with the switch"?
Why is that so hard to understand? He's not after Switch fans specifically. He's after fanboyism specifically, and the most recent example of it fresh on his mind... was Switch fans. And yet immediately, just as he talked about, as soon as Switch fans perceived a slight against them, they jumped in here angrily ready to fight OP, exactly proving his point about fanboyism. The lack of self awareness is astounding.
OP does not need to provide a 15 page scientific paper on fanboyism to get his general sentiment across, otherwise you guys would complain that no discussion could be had. And OP does not need to perfectly split fanboys in a three way split. If he did, that would just be a further indictment of the phenomena he's trying to call out. FFS.
It is pretty common practice, when desiring to discuss a certain phenomena, to pull out one sometimes two relevant fresh examples of the phenomena you are trying to portray.
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This.
Sadly some people believe companies ads and go above and beyond to defend an anti-consumer practice (that affect them directly) so obviously the company choose the profit over the customer yet you see one or multiple in every thread defending that decision.
Same for Apple and Samsung. Good god. I mean praises a company but stop acting like a shareholder or PR.
I'd argue its low self-esteem - videogames are an accessible place where you can safely establish your identity, and affix it to a franchise/company/console. Any criticism towards your favorite thing isn't a criticism of said thing, it's an attack on you.
True. Wasnt talking about review threads specifically, but you are right that review threads for exclusives tend to be the worst ones.
That's a lot of things though. Sports, cars, movies, TV shows, etc...
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I'd buy that for some people.
And that's something none of us are equipped to fix.
I would say more just ego. People with what otherwise seems to be healthy self esteem will tie certain things to themselves.
This explains why it is so rampant in video games as well as old sprawling franchises like Star Wars. Spending so much time with something makes it more a part of you and your ego.
Yeah, the panic induced by a game that gets stellar reviews is the weirdest byproduct of corporate deifying.
I mean, do you really? And attacking switch specifically is how you approach it? This forum is a literal highway of examples to take about why people get like that. And fanboyism is not a new topic or exclusive to switch fans.
Really, you could've just flat out said "I was reading the Octopath review thread and holy shit, what the fuck" and then dipped into deeper politics of fanboyism and this would have gone better. Just be honest is all I'm saying. If you want to veil things, people ought to call them out. There's literally no value in veiled attacks. Say what you want to say.
Like I said to the OP himself, call a fucking spade a spade. Pussyfooting about doesn't do you any favors, it just makes people call you out when your triggers are obvious but you're playing at objectivity.
Yet here we all are with Avatars of our favourite products rather than pictures of ourselves.
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What does it matter at this point?
Also, never attacked Switch.
Why don't you make the thread you wanted me to make show me how much better than that'll go. This a genuine request. We'll see how it goes.
If it's a literal highway of examples and he could pick anyone, why the hell are you so damn mad he happened to pick Switch fans as his example?
It was relevant, current, and happened to be the thing that made him go, aight, I'm making a thread. What is with this persecution complex? I know that's a common term Era throws around a lot, but legitimately, it's what you are doing. "You could pick anyone, why did you pick me" is the most persecution complex thing you can say, because the answer is...really simple: "because I could pick anyone."
Or worse, the glee and happiness some people express when a game gets poor reviews is frigging scary. They actually feel satisfaction at a game scoring poorly
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Nah, I just want a character in game because it would genuinely be fun and make people salty as hell. I don't have a picture me of anonymity (thank you auto-correct) is nice.
It matters because you're targeting a specific fanbase that posts on this site. It comes off as if you are trying to be unbiased but just want to let everyone know Nintendo fans are the worst.
What did you want him to do? OP wants to talk about a general thing, so he talked about the general thing. He didn't want to talk about Switch specifically because that would just derail it to what ended up happening, hyper sensitive Switch fans getting mad, when OP wanted to talk about the general problem.
Dude, he's not out to attack you. Seriously your lack of self awareness is astounding. He's not trying to subtly attack Switch fans. He's not. The fact that you are making it so much about that demonstrates your lack of self awareness.
Tell me, what is so wrong about using Switch fans as an example of a general phenomenon. If OP can use any example, how come he can't use that one?
Oh no, KalBalboa chose to ignore me, whatever should I do with my life right now?
It's more of a high profile nature of the games themselves instead of any specific genre, I think. No matter what genre they are, if the games are high profile enough, plenty of fans and detractors will be in full blown praise/insult phrase regardless.
Heck it's also not about games. Everything popular enough will be the same.
For some people, other's having a perceived inferior product makes them feel special or included in something.
Preferences are fine, inherent even. Rooting for a "team" can be fun but at the end of the day seriously stanning multi-billion dollar corporations that dont give a fuck about you (Yes, even that one) can veer into pathetic territory, and so often does.
Preferences are fine, inherent even. Rooting for a "team" can be fun but at the end of the day seriously stanning multi-billion dollar corporations that dont give a fuck about you (Yes, even that one) can veer into pathetic territory, and so often does.
Because I'm not mad and I don't give any fucks at all? Just interesting to unveil bullshit and see people start doing gymnastics to justify. All I said was be honest, don't pretend you're talking about other shit. What's so good about pretending?
Why? I don't give a shit about fanboyism. It's half the reason I even visit the site because it entertains me a lot. But pretending to make a topic about fanboyism while just talking about one group is funny so sure I'll talk about it. Like, don't get on a high horse if all you've got to say is better left in the mud with the others. I'll jump in on MS threads as well. Post history will probably show that.
Oh fuck, my bad. Who were you talking about?
To be fair, Sony fans are equally bad but they usually chill in the review threads and cross-play threads. Nintendo fans are the ones who make new threads so if one is just browsing the forum casually, Nintendo fans do stand out a bit more. I guess that's why OP uses Nintendo fans as example.
Because he wasn't. You are reading into something that isn't there. OP has clarified and clarified his entire thought process throughout this thread. He sees this often, and so he saw it again with Switch fans, so he wanted to talk about it in general. He is not hiding something.
You are not as clever as you think you are here. You have not discovered some evil secret machination of the OP.
OP talked about some thing he wanted to talk about. Hooray for you you brilliant detective for attacking the OP until he gave the underlying reason for talking about what he was talking about, as if that unveils some vital missing link in the plot OP has set up to be mean to Nintendo fans.
You are acting as if OP didn't want to talk about the problem in general, when he clearly did. You have only found what you wanted to find and pushed that narrative instead of listening to what the OP actually wants to discuss. You are not smart. You're an asshole.
Yeah but he said several times that it's not making threads that bother him, it's how Nintendo fans respond to people who disagree. Usually those people are trolls, which the OP acknowledged, so I'm really not sure what the big issue is. Why can't we have positives threads without it being "fans are overzealous" or some nonsense like that? Almost every positive Nintendo thread on this site is invaded by people trolling, whether it's sales or a port performance thread or whatever the case may be. Of course those people get called out.
Considering how deeply invested you seem to be in this thread, I highly doubt that you don't care. In fact, you might be the person who cares the most in here.
Same gif as above ^
Considering I've seen people calling Sony's no Crossplay stance a good thing in the Fortnite thread, I'm doubtful of that.
Are "they"? I remember seeing Uncharted 4, God of War, Detroit (jesus, that was the worst) and others being just like that too. It was literally the same. lol
User Warned: Hostility.
Are you blind? Can you read?
Do you even fucking speak English?
I don't give two shits about people attacking the switch. But thinly veiled playing at being objective bullshit gets called out. It's dishonest and I'm sick of it in general so I will call it out every time in any situation.
hahahaha Sorry, that post was just funny and I had to laugh in real life. You're probably getting an warning tho
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