I'll have you know that I use Beverly Hills Chihuahua as my moral compass in times of need.
(Honestly? I've never even seen a Bond movie, it's not my thing.)
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Henry Cavill: Hesitant to date in fear of being called a rapist
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(Honestly? I've never even seen a Bond movie, it's not my thing.)
I watched the one where the dead wife is checking out the new girlfriend but I wasn't sure how to incorporate that into my life
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Note: I would be firmly on the "why not try not raping someone" train if Cavill hadn't walked his comments back.
User Banned (Permanent): Pushing false narratives to discredit #metoo, history of sexism.
Some of the conclusions people are jumping to in this thread....my God
Although poorly worded he is simply stating that he needs to be careful when trying to engage with women as a person in his position can attract the wrong attention...particularly with #metoo swinging the pole so far to the left in some cases he could crack a fart and it might be recorded by a phone a deemed as sexual assault by some people.
If you were in his sort of position the usual courtship..flowers...meeting a person in random places over time and the progression to a relationship like the real world will not happen for him as soon as he steps out the door he would have cameras on him and people know this and if it were me I would be very sketchy of anyone outside of my group of friends.
Not discounting the pieces of shit that reside in celebrity land ...people really need to take a step back sometimes and look at the whole picture.
Although poorly worded he is simply stating that he needs to be careful when trying to engage with women as a person in his position can attract the wrong attention...particularly with #metoo swinging the pole so far to the left in some cases he could crack a fart and it might be recorded by a phone a deemed as sexual assault by some people.
If you were in his sort of position the usual courtship..flowers...meeting a person in random places over time and the progression to a relationship like the real world will not happen for him as soon as he steps out the door he would have cameras on him and people know this and if it were me I would be very sketchy of anyone outside of my group of friends.
Not discounting the pieces of shit that reside in celebrity land ...people really need to take a step back sometimes and look at the whole picture.
OMG i usually dislike family guy but this is so fuckign spot on
That's the gross part. This guy could probably get like at least half of women in a given room. He's bitching about the few that dare say no to him.
No man will ever compare to the God DiCaprio though <3 (I was 13 when Titanic was in theaters give me a break!)
TIL empowering women to report sexual abuse and rape is swinging political discourse to the extreme left. You people STILL can't resist showing your asses can you?
Don't read any of the Flemming novels while you're at it. Bond is basically a rapist there. And that's not even getting into the racism and imperialism...
You and I both know he could've fit on that fucking door.
I don't think this is incredibly damning.
After countless interviews and it being made evident that he's not the best extemporaneous speaker, I can forgive some lack of eloquence without feeling like some MRA asshole.
After countless interviews and it being made evident that he's not the best extemporaneous speaker, I can forgive some lack of eloquence without feeling like some MRA asshole.
HE COULD HAVE! Rose could have moved over! I WOULD'VE MOVED OVER FOR HIM! Or taken turns in the water! He deserves better El Bambastico, and by better I mean me.
This isn't an issue of lack of eloquence. He literally stated that it's a shame that men aren't supposed to respect a woman's disinterest and leave them alone.
After reading the entire interview I don't interpret it that way, I'm sorry.
There goes another one.
Of all of the fucking hills to die on...
It can be hard if you have no situational awareness, which we know is freaking rampant.
Its also hard due to the fact that one women's creep is another's persistent white knight.
If I stood outside a women's bedroom window with a boom box held over my head with a love song playing, Amy I creepy or am I John Cusack making a romantic movie moment come to life?
His career wasn't ruined... like everyone immediately went after the woman for writing it and the publisher for publishing it.... everyone was tripping over themselves to to go after the two women.
Aziz demonstrated quite literally that MeToo begins and ends with what's easy to condemn. That any grey, any complexity and it's same old same old.
It's almost like you didn't read the thread.
Do people not realize rom coms aren't real life?
If you're basing dating and courtship on what you see on tv and read in books then you have a HUGE fucking problem, my friend.
Ummmmmmmmm. What part of the accusation leveled at him was false?
User Banned (Permanent): Downplaying sexual assault, previous infractions for similar behaviour.
Way to overreact again, apparently saying that "a no can sometimes not really mean a no" here is taken as a "no means yes always" or as advocating for rape of women with short clothes?
Jesus, i'm outta here, keep burning the Cavill witch all you want guys.
Though I do feel to encourage you guys to actually get some experience with girls, that might help put you in a more moderate position.
So you're saying that if there's a 1% chance, you have to take it as an absolute certainty?
By which you mean you're staying, since thats the crux of your "argument," right?
Im not him, i don't have this experience, but I have been the target of some insane shit that I wont post in public. He is well known to be worth millions. There are companies that protect millionaires like Cavill from all sorts of blackmail. So no thats not just misogyny.
But the stuff about the chase and that shit is of course pure bullshit let me be clear.
I keep editing this post because I really dont want to make it seem like I think he makes a good point. As far as I know he wasnt mentioned in anything metoo related untill now. So I hope it doesnt seem like I condone any of that shit. Risk of blackmail is a lot higher for anyone in a public position though, thats all I wanted to point out.
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You do realize that movies aren't the same as real life right?
You "no means yes" and women play hard to get people are hilarious. Like you are obviously saying that women doing that is a bad thing right? Would you even want to date a woman who would act like that? So then just take every no as a no and you're good. Like what are you guys even arguing?
Is this a "you support women because you are a loser who doesn't have experience with women" take?
Toxic masculinity is a disease.
That's true, everyone called out those women almost immediately. However Aziz has barely been seen since so I think that should answer your question.
But how will I live if I don't entertain women potentially playing hard to get?
He's doing sets again complaining about outrage fatigue, don't worry about him.
What's an overreaction about saying that the meaning of "No" is common sense? Why do you want to confuse basic expressions?
And of course your mic drop moment is to call us virgins, lol
Im afraid this might get me banned and I hope it doesn't but my intention is to provide some insight.
Growing up my Mother has always warned me about women who told lies on Men and always instructed me to be careful during my interactions with women. She taught me respect and consent but always told me horror stories about the men who suffered at the lies of women. Particularly White Woman. Emmett Till's story was a fixture in my house growing up.
I personally have been falsely accused of sexual assault before at work. And it has actually left an impact on me. It was during my probationary period at work and II was running to complete a sale and collided with a Female co-worker who was turning around a corner. I immediately jumped up and offered my hand to help her up and She flipped out and said I was groping her.
In front of the whole entire Gym. During the inital conversation with my Managment about the incident she also threatened to have her boyfriend come to the gym and beat the shit out of me. (Dudes a bodybuilder)
You know what saved me?
This collision happened in front of BOTH of our managers (The Branch and her assistant) my customer and a group of group exercise instructors (The majority of them being women) and 2 different security cameras captured the incident from separate angles.
And I still was sent home without pay for 3 days until the investigation was over because it was treated as a sexual harrassment incident.
I was scared shitless despite all of this because 1.) I'm a black man. 2.) She was a white woman and 3.) I thought the company would just decide it would be easier to fire me due to be on probation.
When I was called back into work it was not only my two managers present but my District Manager (A woman) and the HR Manager from GoodLife corporate. They once again heard our recollections of the incident from myself, the offended party and my two managers who echoed what I said and we all proceeded to watch the security footage and it was clear as day that we didn't see each other prior to colliding and that my immediate reaction was to get up and help her up.
She offered me an apology and management just asked me if I was okay to return to work but confirmed they couldn't compensate me for the time missed. (It was hourly + commission)
I just had to accept that and move on. But I've always recognized how differently that situation could have played out if God wasn't watching over me.
That was 5 years ago. Earlier this year I was in a training session with one other co worker. It was just the two of us and the instructor.
At some point the instructor steps out and its just the two of us in the room. I asked my colleague something about what the instructor said and she seemed to have a very angry reaction. Got up and stormed out.
I was panicking because my first thought was she was going to lie on me and report me for sexually harrassing her and my family was in a financially weak position and we needed my income to keep a roof above our heads. I worked myself into a bit of a panic attack because I thought I was going to be accused again only this time there were no witness or cameras around to prove my innocence.
Turns out her dog had died that morning and she was having a hard time dealing with it. She even apologized to me for her reaction and asked me not to hold it against her.
The point of my story is that while Canvil may have expressed himself in a less than elegant manner. The fear of saying the wrong thing or even that small chance of someone lying on you, is a legitimate concern. And I don't think we should automatically assume he's not a supporter of the Me Too movement or a monster because he recognizes the position he's in and some of the risk he may be exposing himself to.
That is not an articulation of Men abusing their power to put women in sexually compromising positions or ignoring consent on any level or at any time. Im a full supporter of the Me Too movement, I consider myself a femnist and Im in a relationship with a woman whose the emobodiement of feminism.
Please don't ban me.
Growing up my Mother has always warned me about women who told lies on Men and always instructed me to be careful during my interactions with women. She taught me respect and consent but always told me horror stories about the men who suffered at the lies of women. Particularly White Woman. Emmett Till's story was a fixture in my house growing up.
I personally have been falsely accused of sexual assault before at work. And it has actually left an impact on me. It was during my probationary period at work and II was running to complete a sale and collided with a Female co-worker who was turning around a corner. I immediately jumped up and offered my hand to help her up and She flipped out and said I was groping her.
In front of the whole entire Gym. During the inital conversation with my Managment about the incident she also threatened to have her boyfriend come to the gym and beat the shit out of me. (Dudes a bodybuilder)
You know what saved me?
This collision happened in front of BOTH of our managers (The Branch and her assistant) my customer and a group of group exercise instructors (The majority of them being women) and 2 different security cameras captured the incident from separate angles.
And I still was sent home without pay for 3 days until the investigation was over because it was treated as a sexual harrassment incident.
I was scared shitless despite all of this because 1.) I'm a black man. 2.) She was a white woman and 3.) I thought the company would just decide it would be easier to fire me due to be on probation.
When I was called back into work it was not only my two managers present but my District Manager (A woman) and the HR Manager from GoodLife corporate. They once again heard our recollections of the incident from myself, the offended party and my two managers who echoed what I said and we all proceeded to watch the security footage and it was clear as day that we didn't see each other prior to colliding and that my immediate reaction was to get up and help her up.
She offered me an apology and management just asked me if I was okay to return to work but confirmed they couldn't compensate me for the time missed. (It was hourly + commission)
I just had to accept that and move on. But I've always recognized how differently that situation could have played out if God wasn't watching over me.
That was 5 years ago. Earlier this year I was in a training session with one other co worker. It was just the two of us and the instructor.
At some point the instructor steps out and its just the two of us in the room. I asked my colleague something about what the instructor said and she seemed to have a very angry reaction. Got up and stormed out.
I was panicking because my first thought was she was going to lie on me and report me for sexually harrassing her and my family was in a financially weak position and we needed my income to keep a roof above our heads. I worked myself into a bit of a panic attack because I thought I was going to be accused again only this time there were no witness or cameras around to prove my innocence.
Turns out her dog had died that morning and she was having a hard time dealing with it. She even apologized to me for her reaction and asked me not to hold it against her.
The point of my story is that while Canvil may have expressed himself in a less than elegant manner. The fear of saying the wrong thing or even that small chance of someone lying on you, is a legitimate concern. And I don't think we should automatically assume he's not a supporter of the Me Too movement or a monster because he recognizes the position he's in and some of the risk he may be exposing himself to.
That is not an articulation of Men abusing their power to put women in sexually compromising positions or ignoring consent on any level or at any time. Im a full supporter of the Me Too movement, I consider myself a femnist and Im in a relationship with a woman whose the emobodiement of feminism.
Please don't ban me.
This shit lol
I'm gonna cut and run but hey on the way out I'm gonna infer juvenile shit about everyone who disagrees with me that addresses no arguments PEACE
But the point is, this dude hasn't been accused of anything. He's just saying that the way things currently are he feels intimidated to start up new romances because he's worried if he was falsely accused the public would instantly side against him with no evidence. And unfortunately he's right, many would.
The problem is, with so many instances of sexual abuse in Hollywood being covered up for so long, we've now started going to the opposite extreme which is imo a better place to be, but still harmful to people who didn't actually do anything wrong.
Edit: And just because someone CAN do damage control and hire PR firms/lawyers, etc doesn't mean they'd ever want to be put into a position where they'd have to. Even if I was a multi-millionaire I'd be devastated if millions of people (or even just those closest to me) thought I had done those things.
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He was barely seen before except on his Netflix show which is on hiatus unrelated to that article.
Statistically, it isn't a legitimate concern. In your case, it makes sense it would be something that concerns you but it is wrong in a societal sense to put that on women, that us men had better be careful because women are scheming or whatever. We can't do that, we're wrong to be teaching that to men and boys
Nah man, look at all these fish falling for the bait.
Same goes for... most Bond films.
It's not that it can't or doesn't happen, it's that it's so incredibly rare that people who act like it is the default state of a "relationship" are out of their minds.
We've had like 20 people banned here and more keep showing up.
Are some men really this fragile?
Are some men really this fragile?
uhg, it is painful to have conversations with you folks. I know its a freakin movie, but it turned into a pop culture troupe
Its a small example that indicates what one person finds creepy another person might dream of happening to them.
After that movie came out it was a huge troupe that was copied in many pop culture references. Its easy to see that someone could find that extremely creepy while others would love for it to happen to them as it can be seen as a very romantic gesture.
The thing is that while false accusations are incredibly uncommon, they disproportionately affect men of color above more than anyone else. Yet the the overwhelming majority of people defending Cavill don't seem to care about that, similarly to the way that MRAs don't care about defending Terry Crews over the way he is treated when he talks about sexual assault.
The underlying reasoning for this is pretty clear.
I think your experiences as a black man are going to be vastly different from that of pushy white men, especially in regards to where white women are involved. I think it's been pretty well proven both white men and women have a far too itchy trigger finger when it comes to dealing with black folks, especially black men. So it is kind of a different issue than the one some of Cavill's defenders are trotting out. AND it's also noteworthy that NONE of them have mentioned the black man/white woman angle that's such a trigger for overreaction in american culture. Almost like they give a shit only about their own position and no one else's.