He's the secret final boss. You probably have to complete all the sidequests first to be eligible though, including grinding up to skill level 100 during Sam's maester training. It's pretty shitty.
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George R. R. Martin's "A Dance with Dragons" was released seven years ago today
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He's the secret final boss. You probably have to complete all the sidequests first to be eligible though, including grinding up to skill level 100 during Sam's maester training. It's pretty shitty.
Cersei: I would imagine she would go insane thinking Tyrion has really been hiding in the walls all along. As she goes mad, this helps Margery sell the idea that Cersei was slandering her, she was good and pure all along, and is declared not guilty. This pisses off Cersei even more, she sends Ser Robert to the challenge, who tend starts to kill everyone else in the room as the doors are locked, and instead of blowing up the sept Cersei ends up blowing up the red keep and maybe all of king's landing as she fails to smoke Tyrion out of the walls.
I liked the book, but I hope he doesn't do such regional splitting of plot points any more. It was okay in Dance with Dragons, but it made Feast for Crows so boring - especially when coming from the excellent Storm of Swords. Honestly, for such a master story teller, I'm baffled how he didn't see how this would make for two mediocre novels (compared with the series' highpoint).
Has there been any development on the winds of winter? Knowing that there is still A dream of spring to come I think we will never see the end. Just watch how it ends next year and that's your canon ending.
Seven years? Damn, I'm fucking old.
ASoIAF has fallen into the same category of stuff that will just happen if it happens, if ever. I'm too tired of waiting for shit to be excited about what comes next anymore.
I agree that ADWD was kind of lukewarm, mostly because it builds up to so much shit that doesn't lead anywhere by the end of the book, which turns the whole book into this long meandering thing that leads nowhere when you've finished. It's GRRM's version of Crossroads of Twilight if you're familiar with the Wheel of Time series, though not nearly as bad.
This is the same guy who took the Wheel of Time series, another series that similarly had "this will never end" written all over it when the original author passed, and managed not only tie up all major plot threads within a few books, but also give the series a reasonably satisfying ending.
So yeah, he's pretty much a wizard.
ASoIAF has fallen into the same category of stuff that will just happen if it happens, if ever. I'm too tired of waiting for shit to be excited about what comes next anymore.
I agree that ADWD was kind of lukewarm, mostly because it builds up to so much shit that doesn't lead anywhere by the end of the book, which turns the whole book into this long meandering thing that leads nowhere when you've finished. It's GRRM's version of Crossroads of Twilight if you're familiar with the Wheel of Time series, though not nearly as bad.
Sanderson is known to be one hell of a fast writer.
This is the same guy who took the Wheel of Time series, another series that similarly had "this will never end" written all over it when the original author passed, and managed not only tie up all major plot threads within a few books, but also give the series a reasonably satisfying ending.
So yeah, he's pretty much a wizard.
I was expecting this one to be real boring since I had heard some bad things about it but it ended up being my second favorite. The only thing I really disliked about this one was Tyrion. The whole "where do the whores go?" thing got tiring after one chapter and while I did like him on the boat and the characters he meets there, that goes on for far too long and then it's all downhill once he gets kidnapped, it's all boring after that. Since I had seen the show before this book, at least I thought, "it will all be worth it because he'll get to Dany by the end!" and then...nope.
Eh, they are not comparable in quality imo. Sanderson's books ready very much like you'd imagine of OSC's understudy.
But defeating him unlocks a secret cut scene that foreshadows the events of the rest of the series.*
*The sequel is current in development hell.
The next book isn't coming because it's pretty clear he can't figure you where to go with the thousand different strands of story going in every direction. The last two books should have been killing off some characters and narrowing things down, instead he mostly went the other direction.
His constant "under the sea" stuff I would assume hints at something, he's really annoying. But I can only imagine some link to the drowned god, or Euron, yet don't see any in which he could do anything related to them. My guess is the queen will find out Shireen's greyscale is no longer dormant like Val warned, try to hide that, but Patchface will have contracted it and start infecting others in some way, which is probably what will force either Stannis or Jon to have Shireen and all others infected killed. Patchace's painted skin might hide his grayscale for some time, and it will wreck the nightwatch and wildlings once it spreads.
God, I used to love this series. I remember thinking 'what a time to be alive, here to excitedly wait for each new book'.
Little did I know that meant decades. Life goes on and I just don't care anymore. Hmph.
DwD wasn't one of my favs but there was some stellar stuff in there. The Theon chapters being some of his best. I only read it once though, so a lot has been forgotten. I'll reread it before Winds comes out. lol
Little did I know that meant decades. Life goes on and I just don't care anymore. Hmph.
DwD wasn't one of my favs but there was some stellar stuff in there. The Theon chapters being some of his best. I only read it once though, so a lot has been forgotten. I'll reread it before Winds comes out. lol
I mean, look at the bright side... you don't have to 100% Sansa's side quests (that would be torture). :P
I always freeze up when the game asks me whether or not to accept a lemon cake from Margaery and Olenna. I feel like no matter what I do it's impossible to resist Olenna's blunt charms anyway so why even risk losing out on the lemon cake? Honestly half of Sansa's playtime is such trash.
The show has some meh shit in it for sure, but they had the right idea with the plotlines they cut. I miss George's prose but I'm not dying to see what happens to Stoneheart and Aegon.
I agree with why you said about the latter half of Tyrion's journey.
I like Brown Ben Plumm though so I'm hoping they make for an interesting dynamic.
Remember when people said the next one would take less time than ADwD?
I'm not mad at GRRM taking so long—he's clearly running into structural problems that he's really struggling to resolve. But it does a,use me the entirety of the TV show will have aired between him handing in the final manuscript for ADwD and TWoW being published. We might even see one of the spin off shows before then too.
Really looking forward to that Targaryen history book later this year!
I'm not mad at GRRM taking so long—he's clearly running into structural problems that he's really struggling to resolve. But it does a,use me the entirety of the TV show will have aired between him handing in the final manuscript for ADwD and TWoW being published. We might even see one of the spin off shows before then too.
Really looking forward to that Targaryen history book later this year!
I mean GRRM said they're huge for the next book so I have to imagine that they'll be significant affecting many plotlines by their sheer presence.
Like Lady Stoneheart's exclusion lead to Jaime in Dorne and Aegon's exclusion means that Team Dany has to be stupid enough to trust Cersei and give her vast amounts of men and a lot of luck so she doesn't lose automatically
I've always assume a mix of that and seeing the show and people reactions, has fucked with his ability to write it
i remember how there was actually some positive feelings for the future of the series because now that the "meereenese knot" was untangled surely the next book would come out sooner.
lol
lol
I remember reading it
If he does finish it in two books,it will be disappoint.
If he does finish it in two books,it will be disappoint.
It makes me so sad that we'll never see the conclusion. Makes me even more sad that I stopped caring about getting the answers to the questions in the OP about a year, maybe even two, ago. I was so passionate about these books and had GRRM actually finished the entire series it might even have been my favorite piece of literature ever. Certainly the best fantasy work. Oh well, Sanderson's Stormlight Archive would have given him a run for his money either way, but definitely takes that crown now if it remains of the quality of the first three books throughout.
I look forward to reading these books. I always see them mentioned as a worthy pseudo-successor in light of ASOIAF's glacial release pace.
I uses to be a GRRM supporter, but this last year, I'm just tried of being "his bitch". Just give me WoW and i will be done- I just want the conclusion to Northern Conspiracy/ Stannis battle. There is no way he is finishing the rest of the series.
Assassin's Apprentice released the year before A Game of Thrones. The sixteenth and (presumably) last book of the Elderlings Saga was published last year.
I guess you could carry bags of seeds and drop them over fields while riding a dragon
Absolutely! Especially at the beginning in Winterfell when you're forced to complete a fetch quests that involve getting the ingredients for... you guessed it: lemon cakes.
Oh and in King's landing after Ned's execution where you're forced into a heavily scripted combat scenario where Joffery one-hit kills you (then cutscene)... i mean what's the point of that? To show us that Sansa can't fight?
Yeah, we know. It wouldn't be so bad if the game focused on her getting through a crap part of her life through well written branching dialogue trees with amazing choice and consequence (ala Planescape Torment or Numenera) but nope, we get crappy sidequests and railroaded main quest (for her only, thank the gods).
I am loving this back-and-forth we started. I'm going to let you end it so we don't wind up with several pages (and dozens of blank stares from fellow members) but call me if and when you want to make a Game of Thrones game. LOL.
Haha! Okay. If you decide to assemble a team... I'm a software developer by trade (in .Net no less, guess what Unity uses?).
It's blowing my mind how much my life has changed since this came out. I remember picking it up after getting out fo work from my awful financial services job. I hadn't even thought about going back to uni then. I obtained a BA, MA, a third of a PhD in the time he's been working on TWoW.
Oh man, all the other books were out before I read them, but I read this on release.
I have zero interest in this series now.
I have zero interest in this series now.
Feels like only yesterday I saw the trailer for Season 1 and thought "This looks interesting, Gonna see what the books are about."
True, that stuff was probably the best part of that book. A really great portrayal of a completely broken mind. One of the great things about the series is how the writing manages to make hated characters sympathetic and vice versa, and this was one of those moments.
I know a lot of people who read the books after watching season one and now they can't go back to enjoying the show the same, lol.
A truly bad book, too bad it will almost certainly be the last one in the proper series released.
I don't know if you've heard of Mark Lawrence but his Broken Empire and Red Queen's War series are both complete and they're awesome fantasy novels. Plus Mark Lawrence has openly talked about what a huge influence Martin is on his writing and it shows, he's a worthy successor if you ask me.
I've accepted the fact that Winds is never coming out, and even if it does, Dream of Spring has no chance of ever seeing the light of day. I don't blame Martin for this, I just don't want to get my hopes up.
For all its flaws, I'm perfectly content with having the story conclude in GoT.
For all its flaws, I'm perfectly content with having the story conclude in GoT.
