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Theorymon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because every other aspect of the game is basically the same?

Like cut the crap. When not-Red saves Bill from a teleportation mishap, battles on the S.S. Anne, calms Marowak's angry ghost, stops Team Rocket from taking over Silph Co., etc, do you still think that's a "new character"?

Something to note is that the dude who leaked the titles and concept of these games mentioned that while Red and Blue are in the game, that you don't play as them.

With most of the story beats being the same, makes me wonder if Ultra Space is involved with Red makinn an appearance, and we're looking at yet another alternate universe, this time of Kanto. Maybe the new Pokemon is an Ultra Beast too that leads to this meeting!
 

PSqueak

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like cut the crap. When not-Red saves Bill from a teleportation mishap, battles on the S.S. Anne, calms Marowak's angry ghost, stops Team Rocket from taking over Silph Co., etc, do you still think that's a "new character"?

While the assumption that all these things might happen is a valid one, we actually don't know if that's what's gonna happen.

As far as we know this could take place after the events of the original RGBY and none of these things will happen in that way.
 

Lady Bow

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Nov 30, 2017
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I can't believe taste this bad exists. You all disappoint me.
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DemonCarnotaur

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I really really dislike the in game art style and visuals. It just looks... generic?

I dunno. Doesn't feel like pokemon nor that high budget.
 

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This isn't a tiny screen game like the other handheld games, so I'm not sure why they thought it's a good idea to make human heads this huge.
Different art style, you only need to compare the team rocket from SM with their more realistic proportions to see the difference, and this was on old hardware.
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This is their Let's Go design.
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Sea lion

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Nov 8, 2017
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Yeah, its still babys first Pokemon.

This will be fun for lapsed fans for a quick nostalgia blast but I can see lack of challenge preventing them from carrying on.

Go players will have to shell out more than £300 for a game that offers no outdoor exploration, the thing Go thrived on, other than being, you know, free.

I dont know who this is aimed at but it will be interesting to see how it fairs. I imagine it will get great sales just by being Pokemon, but can see it being easily forgotten about within a few months.

Also, please tell me there's skin colours. Fuck animal crossing and fire emblem for not including them, but Pokemon has had them and needs to continue the trend. Nintendo is fucking bad for this kind of stuff for absolutely no reason.
 

Orion

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because every other aspect of the game is basically the same?

Like cut the crap. When not-Red saves Bill from a teleportation mishap, battles on the S.S. Anne, calms Marowak's angry ghost, stops Team Rocket from taking over Silph Co., etc, do you still think that's a "new character"?

Replacing the original rival, the first person you battle in the Kanto games and the inspiration for the rival in the original season of the anime, with a new one defeats the entire point of this being a nostalgia trip.

Maybe the actual Red will still do all those things and your job will be to cheer him on alongside your Pikachu/Eevee and "friendly rival" in matching cheerleader outfits? :p
 

Robo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Looks great, but the friendly rival bit is lame. RIP Gary motherfucking Oak.

And as has been brought up in the thread already, I am also concerned about how easy the game will be when doing co-op. TRying to think of any way to make it a bit more interesting, like using unevolved Pokemon or wrong type matchups but those both sound boring and a waste of everyone's time. And I'm not so sure a Nuzlocke run would work since I don't think any Pokemon will even realistically faint during any 2v1 battles unless you go out of your way to lose.
 

dreamlongdead

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Nov 5, 2017
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Getting rid of Gary is lame.

I guess it looks pretty polished, but I've played this game before. It just doesn't look fun to play, so still an easy pass for me.

It will be a huge game for Nintendo, though.
 

WrenchNinja

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, its still babys first Pokemon.

This will be fun for lapsed fans for a quick nostalgia blast but I can see lack of challenge preventing them from carrying on.

Go players will have to shell out more than £300 for a game that offers no outdoor exploration, the thing Go thrived on, other than being, you know, free.

I dont know who this is aimed at but it will be interesting to see how it fairs. I imagine it will get great sales just by being Pokemon, but can see it being easily forgotten about within a few months.

Also, please tell me there's skin colours. Fuck animal crossing and fire emblem for not including them, but Pokemon has had them and needs to continue the trend. Nintendo is fucking bad for this kind of stuff for absolutely no reason.
If the game doesn't have skin tone customisation, then all the excuses for this game being for everyone and for casuals will all be horseshit. Even Go has skin tone changes.
 

Tbm24

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Oct 25, 2017
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I need that new Kanto map image as a poster or something. It looks fantastic.

I'm gonna say, as much as I prefer good old handheld pokemon format, I'm pretty damn excited for this version of it. My daughter is already 1 and I can easily see her getting into this version of the game while she's so young and eventually transition her to the traditional pokemon games after. Especially with the pokeball controller, gonna blow her tiny little mind.
 

Noppie

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Oct 27, 2017
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Also, please tell me there's skin colours. Fuck animal crossing and fire emblem for not including them, but Pokemon has had them and needs to continue the trend. Nintendo is fucking bad for this kind of stuff for absolutely no reason.
Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp, the latest installment for mobile, has skin colours to choose from. This was also added to New Leaf back in 2016. Also in Happy Home Designer.

So, you know. Read before drawing conclusions.
 

Chixmeal

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May 30, 2018
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I would actually be 100% down with not just the Team Rocket trio, but all of the anime characters appearing in this game. That'd be a real nostalgia trip not just for people who played RBY but also for people who watched the anime. And it'd give the game more of an identity and reason to exist.
Technically Duplica is based on a game character so she's sorta in.

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enkaisu

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Oct 27, 2017
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You take that back! Hau was awesome, he was the first "friend" rival that actually felt like he was your bro and not some tacked on kid for you to beat up.

He was like Barry, but better.
Y'know what, yeah 'awful' was a bit harsh. He's really not that bad, and I will admit they made him a lot better in Ultra SM. I just got tired of his obsession with Malasadas.

I still stand by the rivals in XY sucking tho, they were aggressively boring lol.
 

spyroflame0487

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Nov 3, 2017
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I dunno if it was mentioned but...you guys all saw that lag in the trailer when there were two players running right? That's...not supposed to be happening is it? It happens at about 1:26.
 

PSqueak

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Oct 25, 2017
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If the game doesn't have skin tone customisation, then all the excuses for this game being for everyone and for casuals will all be horseshit. Even Go has skin tone changes.

There is no reason to believe the skin tone feature will not be in this game.

Think about it, maybe that's another reason why the game is not about you playing as Red/Leaf.
 

Toxi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Can I borrow your time machine to see all these events in game?

While the assumption that all these things might happen is a valid one, we actually don't know if that's what's gonna happen.

As far as we know this could take place after the events of the original RGBY and none of these things will happen in that way.
The initial trailer showed Nugget Bridge and a fight with Team Rocket in an office. The gym leaders are using the same Pokemon species.

This is gonna be the same ride as before.
 

PSqueak

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Oct 25, 2017
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The initial trailer showed Nugget Bridge and a fight with Team Rocket in an office.

Nugget bridge is an iconic moment on the game would be weird to take it out, and Team Rocket being the villians doesn't necessarily means a rehash of the same story.

Sure it will most likely be, but we can't say that for sure.
 

Theorymon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yooo I just noticed that Misty's Starmie used Scald in the trailer.

That's a WAY better move than it used in RBY lol. Its not only quite a bit stronger than Bubblebeam (65 bp vs 80 bp), but that 30% chance to burn makes it huge in competitive play.

I bet this means Misty now gives out Scald as a TM, so we're probably gonna have a TM list more similar to gen 7 than 1.
 

Toxi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nugget bridge is an iconic moment on the game would be weird to take it out, and Team Rocket being the villians doesn't necessarily means a rehash of the same story.

Sure it will most likely be, but we can't say that for sure.
Yes, Nugget Bridge is an "iconic moment". So is going through the Rocket Base with the sliding tiles. So is calming Marowak's ghost. So is waking the two Snorlax. There are a lot of "iconic moments" in RBY.

This game is keeping the same basic structure of Red and Blue, down to Misty's Gym having the exact same layout beneath all the shiny new graphics. But if you keep the same basic structure, that means having the same locations and story beats.

Yooo I just noticed that Misty's Starmie used Scald in the trailer.

That's a WAY better move than it used in RBY lol. Its not only quite a bit stronger than Bubblebeam (65 bp vs 80 bp), but that 30% chance to burn makes it huge in competitive play.

I bet this means Misty now gives out Scald as a TM, so we're probably gonna have a TM list more similar to gen 7 than 1.
She had Water Pulse in FRLG. But yeah, Scald is a nasty move.
 

Gassy_N0va

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Oct 27, 2017
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These games continue to look fantastic. Not a lapsed player at all, but loving what I'm seeing and I hope it pays off for Nintendo. Already getting pokemon in GO ready to transfer over.
 

WrenchNinja

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Oct 25, 2017
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There is no reason to believe the skin tone feature will not be in this game.

Think about it, maybe that's another reason why the game is not about you playing as Red/Leaf.
Sure there is, the fact that they haven't shown it and Game Freak's past history of arbitrarily cutting features. I don't have any reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Red/Leaf can be renamed and don't even have to be the protagonist in their respective games, they don't have to be light skinned in this one just because of past entries.
 

michaeltraps

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Oct 28, 2017
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Man, the more I see this, the more excited I get. I'm glad we're getting a Pokemon game for the Switch in 2018.
 

PSqueak

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Red/Leaf can be renamed and don't even have to be the protagonist in their respective games, they don't have to be light skinned in this one just because of past entries.

Technically speaking Red has been canonized as light skinned as per Sun and Moon and it sounds like the kind of shit TPC would get anal about.
 

CarthOhNoes

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Oct 25, 2017
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Day 1. Looks absolutely like the glorious nostalgia trip Pokemon fix I wanted before the majesty of gen 8 in 2019.
 

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Blue gets the same amount of "pampering" from Oak as you do. He gets a Pokédex and a free starter (which unlike the anime isn't something they hand out to just everyone). His actual involvement past that consists of Oak rightfully calling Blue on his bullshit. And on top of that we find out in later gens that on top of all that prior to the game he was traveling to Kalos and getting the best tutors.

Blue is spoiled rotten.
Gen 6 take place several years after his journey, it was the last games in the timeline till SM.
 

Toxi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Technically speaking Red has been canonized as light skinned as per Sun and Moon and it sounds like the kind of shit TPC would get anal about.
The fact you can name "Red" anything the hell you want shows how ridiculous any attempt at "consistency" is.

The player character is just an extension of the player. Gamefreak should remeber that instead of trying to adhere to a single "character".
 

Eumi

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Nov 3, 2017
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Technically speaking Red has been canonized as light skinned as per Sun and Moon and it sounds like the kind of shit TPC would get anal about.
Red was canonized as male in Gold/Silver and yet they still offered Leaf as an option in FRLG so that response would be horseshit.
 

zoukka

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Oct 28, 2017
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All those familiar faces and no Gary...

The music makes me so nostalgic. It's an easy money grab for my generation lol.
 

Maxina

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Oct 28, 2017
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S/M with sharper textures and higher resolutions would probably look better. The towns and interiors, at least.

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2019 better be an actual improvement
Sun/Moon are true mainline titles though. Gen 8 in 2019 will follow the same trend. The LetsGo games are spinoffs, no matter what gamefreak say.
 

Toxi

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Oct 27, 2017
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My favorite part of Pokemon canon is how the Let's Go version of Kanto has a puritanical government that outlawed gambling.
 

PSqueak

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Oct 25, 2017
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Red was canonized as male in Gold/Silver and yet they still offered Leaf as an option in FRLG so that response would be horseshit.

Indeed, but like i said, that's the kind of shit i expect from TPC.

Still, the bottom line for me is, i don't believe that skin tone selection is out.
 

kaishek

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Oct 30, 2017
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why do they insist on ruining the rival dynamic

Looks like a re-re-mastered Blue/Red but with all the soul sucked out, so far.
 

ASaiyan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Given that this is a cute little spinoff I'm less down on it than some others here and will probably buy it. The HD graphics are beautiful.

But I must say, "Meet your friendly rival" made me throw up in my mouth a little.