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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Hello everyone,
for some reason my sony xe9005 (xe90) Europe model started displaying twitch.tv app content in dolby vision mode, here is a link to a picture: https://i.imgur.com/bg2Tsbf.jpg
has anyone had a similar bug?
My software version is: PKG6.2858.0082EUA
After few restarts everything is back to normal, but it was bizarre, as I understand this TV shouldn't be able to display dolby vision.
The colors were different than normal and different than any available HDR mode, at the moment I cant reproduce the bug, but will try later today.
for some reason my sony xe9005 (xe90) Europe model started displaying twitch.tv app content in dolby vision mode, here is a link to a picture: https://i.imgur.com/bg2Tsbf.jpg
has anyone had a similar bug?
My software version is: PKG6.2858.0082EUA
After few restarts everything is back to normal, but it was bizarre, as I understand this TV shouldn't be able to display dolby vision.
The colors were different than normal and different than any available HDR mode, at the moment I cant reproduce the bug, but will try later today.
So I was watching Blue Planet 2 on Blu-ray, the deep sea. I was very curious because of "that's the oled episode" "the blacks with the oled omg" posts. I have to say other than some light fading away in one particular scene with the sub, I didn't noticed anything distracting. Looking forward to the Big Cats Blu-ray, freaking love cats ^_^
Edit: Also I was/am watching the WM in 4k and Its a bit strange, HDR. The TV doesn't show HDR in the settings but it's clearly HDR. The difference to HD is blowing my mind and I can never go back to the lifeless washed out picture.
Edit: Also I was/am watching the WM in 4k and Its a bit strange, HDR. The TV doesn't show HDR in the settings but it's clearly HDR. The difference to HD is blowing my mind and I can never go back to the lifeless washed out picture.
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Yea that mostly affects the Switch or older consoles, because the XB1X will upscale everything to 4k before it goes to the TV. Actually I think the PS4 Pro does the same thing, cause I just booted Battlefield 4 and the TV display says its playing 4k content, and that game is supposed to be 900p.
40ms doesn't bother me too much anyway, specially considering the nature of Switch games. I never do any multiplayer on that console either.
I always thought those high end Samsungs are so expensive for what you get.
This is the exact model I'm considering right now, my Vizio P65 started acting strange after a power surge and luckily my renters insurance is covering it so looking to upgrade.
What is your impression of the HDR performance? Is the Android OS laggy? That's the biggest complaint I see on Sony TVs, but hear the picture quality is significantly uograded in the 2018 model..
HDR and Dolby Vision look incredible on this TV. I'm actually rewatching my collection of UHD discs, cause it looks so good. Even SDR content looks a lot better on this TV than my old TV.
As for the OS, its not that its laggy it's more like the design doesn't do it any favors, but its actually functional. Even so, the remote allows you to almost skip the Android TV menus, since it has a quick options menu for adjusting picture settings and other things, inputs, and it has a button for quickly entering Netflix without having to go to the Android interface.
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For those using the X/S as a 4k player: are you finding that you have to turn off Game mode to get the right HDR when watching 4k discs? I have to turn Game mode back on for games with HDR because otherwise the colors are too oversaturated when playing games but if i leave it on for movies they look too dark and desaturated of color. I'm using an LG B7 OLED fyi.
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That's one of the disadvantages when using a game console for movie playback. You have to fiddle with settings or view one set of content with subpar settings.
I don't use HDR Game mode, when i watch 4K movies on XB1S .
On my Samsung 4k TV, it actually removes most of the bullshit filters and applies HDR just fine. I was trying to do the same here so I wouldn't have to tinker with settings every time i switched between a 4k movie disc and a game.
Sucks, but I just wanted to see if others were going through the same thing. Seems so.
I guess ill stick to one of the other HDR settings then. I tried Vivid and it almost looked right for 4K movies on the X, but the colors were a bit too hot. I toned down the color setting and now it seems fine.
Thanks all!
Not sure if you can get your hands on this one anymore, but I have it and have been really happy:
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HW-K...=1531404291&sr=1-12&keywords=samsung+soundbar
I have the same LG TV you purchased the ARC input actually works with this soundbar without a hitch. Which is no small feat it seems with how finicky ARC can be. Sometimes you will see an error that one of the wireless speakers did not connect. 99% of the time they connect a second later on their own, I think the system check just jumps the gun a bit from time to time. And if they stay disconnected usually its because my kids knocked a plug into the wall loose and there is no power. Only once did I have to power the system off and back on to get it to connect and I have had this system for 2 years now.
If you can afford it have the TV calibrated by a pro. I did and have been quite impressed. He created settings for both a bright and dark environment and found a couple hidden areas (in the maintenance tools) where we could turn off noise reduction and smoothing to really get a film like picture.
Mofo2 has the right answer. Use rtings. They straight up suggest to max brightness in a bright room, which works wonderfully for me, but their recommended brightness settings are great advice in general. I think on a per input basis you can then tweak from there; I like to use some of the filtering settings on the built in Netflix app for my kid's shows.
I mean, if you have a history of extreme input lag sensitivity or are a semi pro fighting game player or love to play max speed Beatmania, look elsewhere. But for the games I've tried so far it's great? It's the loss of a frame @ 60 so for most players I think it's not even noticeable. My SNES Classic and Switch run fine. I'm possibly on the less sensitive side of the problem though.
Awesome, sounds like a great choice. Glad to hear the OS isn't a big issue. I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on this one.
after I measured the Gammas of the two oleds that I have(B7 and E7) its was pretty strange, 2.2 comes to low in both, its actually measure around 2.1 wich its good for very bright rooms but it will look totally wrong in a dim room, bt1886 and 2.4 was more like 2.3 wich is great for dim or dark enviroments, lots of pops and great colors.
be advise that oleds are dark in general, everyting should be more dark compared to a LED, people use low gammas to bring more shadow detail(and make it more like your normal led tv) but you will destroy the high contrast of oled with a really dull and washed out image.
my advise: Stick with 1886 and compensate the bright enviroment with high Oled Light, this is what the technicolor mode.
On my B7, I've been viewing SDR content with ISR Dark, OLED light 40. Lowered from 45. 40 puts the set at around 140 nits, which is higher than the SMPTE standard, but it still looks good to me.
I think Technicolor defaults to 60 OLED Light, is that what you would recommend?
It's also gonna be very noticeable of you're using a mouse and keyboard though. Anything over 30ms feels horrible with a mouse.
Nobody here owns the 8 series OLEDs? Some impressions of BFI would be appreciated.
I just noticed that most TVs don't seem to support 1440p natively. Those of you who do a ton of PC gaming on your LG & Samsung sets, what's your experience been like? I'm buying a set primarily for living room PC gaming, and my GTX 1080 definitely won't be pushing 4K60 on everything. I was planning on running 1440p/60 for most things, but that doesn't seem possible with a LG OLED?
I haven't been able to find a ton of anecdotal experience with this kind of setup/situation. It looks like the X900F is my best bet if native 1440p/60hz matters?
I haven't been able to find a ton of anecdotal experience with this kind of setup/situation. It looks like the X900F is my best bet if native 1440p/60hz matters?
So how many of you actually see a significant difference on OLED compared to modern standard TV:s? I have seen a Philips OLED next to a standard Philips showing the same video at the hardware retailer and I did indeed see a significant difference, even in the fairly well-lit room, the blacks were more intense. But could this just be a matter of TV image settings or will I indeed see this difference at home? I won't be watching in a completely dark room but one with some mood lighting. My choice is basically between an 65" LG C7V and a 75" Samsung MU7005, both being at a similar price point.
No one really knows. Demand on 55/65 inch OLED panels is outstripping supply so that's where LG Display is going to keep their focus in the near future.
I can say for me that going from a Samsung KS8000 to the LG B7A felt like as big of a leap as going from my 1080p Vizio to the KS8000 initially did, maybe even bigger.
In a well lit room a LCD doesn't show it's poor black levels. You will definitely see the difference in OLED in a dimmer home environment. You don't need a pitch black room either.
At my local BB they have some LCDs in a darkened corner of their Magnolia section. Some Samsung models (Q7 I think) and a Sony 900E. They all looked absolutely ridiculous sitting in there. Black areas and letterbox bars were literally bright blue and only approached black when I was sitting dead center.
I don't think so.
I had to go with my current TV because it was one of the few decent TVs at 49 inches (49 inches is already pushing it for me).
Most of the high end stuff, including OLED start at 55 inches.
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Harmonyyyyyy
I have the Elite cuz my stuff is hidden in the other room, but if you have line of sight to all of it, you can get a cheaper one. And it works via phone app too which is nice
E: GearDraxon thoughts on Savant? I know they're nice but way less self serve and his system is not very complicated.
Just turn on GPU scaling in the Nvidia settings and you can play games in whatever resolution you want.
I play games at 1440p/60hz on my LG OLED all the time. What makes you think it's not possible?
I don't gauge everything on Amazon reviews but my reason for asking was that the Harmony remotes all did pretty poorly there (like 3.5/5.0 stars). I'd much more quickly take your word for it though
Oh that's interesting. Let me go check those out. I wonder what people don't like.
17% of reviews for the Elite (which is on sale today) were 1 star. I haven't read through too many just yet but overly complicated seems like a recurring theme.
Yep, I could totally see them being complicated. The problem is (and this could have changed) but most universal remotes are either kinda basic and don't have activity based functions like (turn on everything and set it to the right inputs), or they have activities and take some time to program (you obviously have to tell the remote what inputs your stuff needs to be on when you first set up the activities), or there's stuff like Savant that's amazing but needs to be professionally programmed and you're into hundreds to almost thousands pretty quick.
Maybe there's another brand out there that's popped up in recent times I'm not aware of.
Also, will be curious for Gear's opinion since he's still in the day to day on this stuff, and it's been awhile for me.
E: also worth noting that I get the complaints about Alexa, but that's a function of how Alexa skills work, not as much a Harmony problem. They're working on making those better though. And your core functions still work via Alexa, it's just a little bit goofy.
Okay sweet, that clears things up. My apologies, the ultimate is on sale for $139. Good deal at that price? I'm not buying one now until the TV area is finished but I just want to have an idea on price.
Also, the OLEDs have that weird IR cursor, right? The Harmony remotes work with that?
Doubtful. Even the 49" size is increasingly niche and more and more are jumping to 65" as a base size. Sizes are increasing as televisions become thinner with less bezel. Modern homes and condos are increasingly cognizant of having empty wall space where televisions can go. We might see a smaller OLED model if the technology continues its rapid adoption and panel manufacturing goes down. Maybe a 45", 55", 65" and 75" series but even then it probably wouldn't happen. Anything under 55" has really been low end or budget minded. And remember 8K is coming as a consumer resolution soon too.
It is somewhat complicated, so you'll need to be comfortable with a logical flow. I enjoyed mine enough to buy a second one, and they both do exactly what I want.
I'm able to do things like power on my Oppo 203 and switch to the HDMI Input so that I can view a device there.. I can add and adjust delay between steps. It connects to some things via IR and others via Bluetooth, etc. But yeah the initial setup takes a bit of tinkering. There's zero chance my wife or mom would get one working without help.
Generally, yes.. but there's always a chance for an issue. The fix is usually to power everything down and back up, but depending on complexity things can go wrong.
For instance, my TV will power on if it senses a signal. Someone picks up an xbox controller and starts to use it.. TV powers up.. now the remote doesn't know the proper state of things. Or.. I have an IR transmitter behind the rig that blasts all over, but I have a tiny transmitter in front of the sound bar, and one inside the entertainment cabinet. Someone vacuums and knocks the soundbar IR dongle off (I should tape it down) and now "the soundbar is broken again!".
I should add a caveat that I still pick up the Apple TV remote constantly b/c I can precisely do things with the touchpad. I know people hate it but I've mastered the little bastard.
Harmony Companion. Mine has been a godsend.
RedlineRonin Hmm...never even heard of Savant! Shows how much in the Harmony bubble I've been for years.
I'll have to check it out...but it would take a lot to move me from the Companion. Ties into Alexa ("Computer, turn on Steambox" fires up the TV, AVR, turns off the light in the back of the room to reduce glare, etc.) There are some idiosyncrasies, but it's able to do a *lot*.
I've got an Ultimate, didn't need all that Alexa/Hub shite, works great and easy to use! Love it.
I think that's probably the most apt description. Basic setup isn't too bad but it's super helpful when you start to get things like HDMI handshake issues, because you can customize device turn on order and delays etc as mentioned above.
That part isn't the most straightforward, but there's clearly at least a couple folks here who can help you figured it out =)
Also, I've never owned anything but harmony since the 880 in 2006, but I'm just aware that Savant is a thing, haven't used personally.
I haven't played any games yet where timing is crucial so I haven't really noticed the 40ms input lag. I've played Zelda BOTW, Mario, Tetris, and Mario Kart and haven't had issues.
All of the RTings reviews for OLEDs say they don't support it:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c8#comparison_1814
I dunno how that works though.
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