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VariantX

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,879
Columbia, SC
As long as someone's doing something at the end of the day and people can drink water and cook with the water that comes out of the tap. Don't even begin to understand how is a town with unsafe drinking water is supposed to be okay. Did anyone ever attempt fixing anything or did they just ship in water until they got tired of doing so and no longer could pretend to give a fuck anymore?
 
Oct 25, 2017
20,207
Your argument is that poster isn't criticizing his actions, just hoping he'll do more?

I was speaking more broadly to the discussion that unfolded on Twitter, and yes I think in that specific comment the poster wasn't saying "fuck him for just doing filters". I took it as "if he can do more, than good on him" implying going above and beyond. For context, this thread on Twitter is attempting to highlight to Musk the problem goes beyond filters:


And this same person even goes on to say there is a good opportunity and offered to email Musk with more info on the work they're doing:


So people are trying to embrace his sudden interest here and steer him in the right direction to the data & info he needs to make a long lasting impact. This is where the comment of "I hope he can do more" is coming from.
 

ZackieChan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,056
I like how it starts with Elon never following through, then it's shown he does and the argument moves on to what he's doing isn't the best way, then it's on to how it's bad he can't do those things without telling anyone.

It's the hallmark of a shitty argument that it keeps changing like that. These goalposts are very portable.
They must be mounted on a Hyperloop
 

Armaros

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,901
Or the fact he was in direct correspondence with a leader of the rescue effort in Thailand, who was asking for his help. The argument just moves on.

Can his defenders at least not spread misinformation in an attempt to defend Musk?

Narongsak Osatanakorn was the overall leader of the rescue effort.

The person that Musk was talking to in the released Emails was Richard Staton, one of the British Divers involved in the rescue operation he is the person that spoke to Musk about the submarine and the work on it.
 

KHarvey16

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,193
I was speaking more broadly to the discussion that unfolded on Twitter, and yes I think in that specific comment the poster wasn't saying "fuck him for just doing filters". I took it as "if he can do more, than good on him" implying going above and beyond. For context, this thread on Twitter is attempting to highlight to Musk the problem goes beyond filters:


And this same person even goes on to say there is a good opportunity and offered to email Musk with more info on the work they're doing:


So people are trying to embrace his sudden interest here and steer him in the right direction to the data & info he needs to make a long lasting impact. This is where the comment of "I hope he can do more" is coming from.


That was not the initial position of that poster, and you know that. That's the point I'm making.

Can his defenders at least not spread misinformation in an attempt to defend Musk?

Narongsak Osatanakorn was the overall leader of the rescue effort.

The person that Musk was talking to in the released Emails was Richard Staton, one of the British Divers involved in the rescue operation he is the person that spoke to Musk about the submarine and the work on it.

Richard Staton was a co-leader of the diving effort and wanted the sub very much. Quoting that other guy and implying the sub wasn't useful and wasn't being asked for is incorrect.
 

Armaros

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,901
That was not the initial position of that poster, and you know that. That's the point I'm making.



Richard Staton was a co-leader of the diving effort and wanted the sub very much. Quoting that other guy and implying the sub wasn't useful and wasn't being asked for is incorrect.

You mean that same Richard Staton that also released a press release saying that the sub was too big for the cave?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/world/asia/elon-musk-thailand-cave-submarine.html

In his tweets amid the rescue, Mr. Musk presented his own evidence that team leaders had welcomed his help. He said of Mr. Narongsak: "The former Thai provincial governor (described inaccurately as 'rescue chief') is not the subject matter expert."

He said the expert was Richard Stanton, one of the first two British cave divers to reach the soccer team, and Mr. Musk shared an email in which Mr. Stanton had asked him to "please keep working on the capsule details."

But a spokesman for Mr. Stanton said Tuesday that the cave proved to be too narrow for the mini-submarine.
 

Armaros

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,901
The sub was and is being worked on. How does that contradict the fact the rescue effort wanted the sub in case they needed it?

Because Musk threw a hissy fit on Twitter because the rescue chief said it was impractical to use?

And Musk used those emails to say it wasn't impractical because Staton told him to work on i?
 

KHarvey16

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,193
Because Musk threw a hissy fit on Twitter because the rescue chief said it was impractical to use?

And used those emails to say it wasn't impractical?

The quote from the original guy was used to say the rescue effort never wanted the sub and never thought it was viable. Musk responded to that with correspondence showing the sub was being asked for.
 

brownmagic

Member
Oct 25, 2017
505
??

Get a clue.

Are you a Republican? Because you just did exactly what Republicans do- point to how shitty the government is when Republicans are in charge and say "Look, the government can't do anything!"

Come live in San Francisco, where you can see how your exorbitant taxes are pissed away by the local Democratic party.


And look at all you keyboard warriors shitting on Elon. Despite his exuberance he's still done far more than anyone on this forum. We should be encouraging him and more people to solve problems instead of whining on the internet how terrible everything is.
 

Armaros

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,901
The quote from the original guy was used to say the rescue effort never wanted the sub and never thought it was viable. Musk responded to that with correspondence showing the sub was being asked for.

Staton wasnt the person running the rescue operation?

Why is the Musk not speaking directly to the leader of the operation regarding this stuff?

Imagine if a Tesla employee did something similar, listen to lower employee instead of Musk. They would be fired so fast, your head would spin.
 
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falcondoc

Member
Oct 29, 2017
6,213
You can like the guy, but wow the worship in this thread reminds me a bit of certain trump supporters.
 

FSP

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,644
London, United Kingdom
It is fascinating how this dude makes people on this forum completely lose their minds. Every thread about him is a shit show.

He's a capitalist also engaged in philanthropic work. He's a gigantic target for socialists.

This post is a bit of a driveby so to extend:

If you are of the opinion that Musk is exploiting the labour of his staff to get rich and powerful etc, your standard socialist view of those who control factories and workforces, then seeing that same guy attempt, successfully or unsuccessfully, to contribute to society is a major challenge to your worldview. Hence, because he is a capitalist, he is evil and all this stuff he is doing is, by definition, evil in some way. "Look at that bitch eating crackers'.

You run into a lot of progressive people that fall into this trap.

What has especially wound people up is his blunt Twitter persona.
 
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Tricky Diver

Member
Oct 28, 2017
553
UK / USA
With regards to the Thai rescue operation, my understanding of the timeline is that one of Musk's fanboy's asked him if he could help on Twitter, and Musk jumped on the bandwagon and started development of the kid sized submarine. He then made contact with Richard Stanton regarding the submarine's designs and Stanton encouraged him to keep working on it. Stanton and the other rescuers got on with their job and rescued everybody from the cave. The submarine was available to them but it was not suitable for the operation. Musk then got pissy about its lack of use on Twitter.

That's a bit different from the way some people are portraying it as though the rescuers were begging Musk to help them. Richard Stanton clearly wasn't going to tell Musk "Thanks but no thanks", to Musk's offer of help, and he was otherwise pretty busy with the rescue operation to get into detailed engineering / spec requirements on Twitter.
 

anthro

Member
Oct 28, 2017
420
The Musk public persona is kind of interesting because it appears as though the back and forth between fans and detractors is an argument about different things. Or maybe it's not, it's hard to tell, and I can't claim to know the motivations of everyone who likes or dislikes Musk. It seems as though the fans vest a lot of hope, admiration, and aspiration in Musk as an individual, whereas the detractors aren't so specifically concerned with Musk as an individual (though obviously the discussions will often pivot around his most recent actions), but more that he is a microcosm of the billionaire/ownership class and so is grounds for the ideological battle over removing their power in society. This will confuse or agitate the fans who say something like "but he helped Puerto Rico!" or "he is going to send filters to Flint, how is that bad?", which may be because the contention is that his publicity eclipses the impression of what is possible for a lot of others. Those who criticize him see him as propaganda for billionaires or large capital owners, offering a vision of a better world led by the magnanimous, disruptive futurist who uses the power of his resolve to smash through sclerotic institutions and carry everybody into a bright tomorrow. He'll take us to space, he'll make travelling from coast to coast take two hours (or whatever), he'll stop global warming. That is what is specifically depressing about him which draws a lot of distaste. Of course, he actualizes this in some ways. Like when he is on twitter rebuffing some other guy by declaring he supports half a million people with his wealth. He seems to take a lot of importance onto himself, and he gets very publicly upset when criticized, so it makes him an easy target for people who really want the world (American society specifically?) to move towards having confidence in itself to solve problems, and the mutual trust in each other to move that sense of hope back to common people all sharing the same burdens.

Sorry if this has already been said a dozen times, I haven't read the whole thread.
 

Pomerlaw

Erarboreal
Banned
Feb 25, 2018
8,536
It is fascinating how this dude makes people on this forum completely lose their minds. Every thread about him is a shit show.

yep. It's like... Black and white. Some are saying he hasn't done shit in his life... Makes me laugh. They are so full of hate.
The fanboys are just as worse.
 

TCi

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
661
People can hate on Elon Musk as much as they want. That doesn't change the fact that he is causing debate and puts publics eyes on important subjects. He might be overstepping one some ofc. Can't blame him for trying and offering.
I think some in this thread needs to step back and take a good look at them self.
 

Muffin

Member
Oct 26, 2017
10,339
People can hate on Elon Musk as much as they want. That doesn't change the fact that he is causing debate and puts publics eyes on important subjects. He might be overstepping one some ofc. Can't blame him for trying and offering.
I think some in this thread needs to step back and take a good look at them self.
I mean if you call using a news site affiliated with a sex cult as source for your argument because you're pissed at media outlets reporting negatively on you "overstepping on some", sure.
 

Armaros

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,901
He didn't react to the capsule not being used. He addressed a claim.

You really don't care if a thing is true or not, do you? If it's negative, it's ok.

Trying to discredit the Rescue Chief, who actually lead the rescue operation as 'just the former provincal Governor.' Is just addressing a claim?

Btw the person he tried to claim to have no subject matter expertise in, was also a geologist and an engineer.

So Elon was wrong on two fronts.
 

KHarvey16

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,193
Btw the person he tried to claim to have no subject matter expertise in, was also a geologist and an engineer.

So Elon was wrong on two fronts.

Did you really edit in a statement that claims he is a SME on submersibles because he's a geologist and engineer? This is the kind of low effort, lazy thinking people less interested in supporting a position than they are in maintaining it participate in. You see it in climate change denial - "Look at all these scientists who signed my petition! Science means they know about climate!"
 

bye

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,419
Phoenix, AZ
We literally had people stanning fucking

P A Y P A L

in this thread, year of 2018, just to spite Elon Musk

I'd say it's time to wrap it up folks. Y'all have reached peak insanity. Please donate to Flint here and god bless.
 

Hassel

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,363
Bunch of weirdo's in here hating on a man for trying to help.
I bet he has done more good for this world than the aggregate of all forum users who have posted in this thread.