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seems a few people should go for walk, breathe deeply and relax...
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Octopath Traveler Review Thread
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consistently out of sync= 2 reviews?
seems a few people should go for walk, breathe deeply and relax...
this post encapsulates so much of what's wrong with the current gaming landscape
There haven't even been that many big JRPGs on Switch so far. Two is not a trend.
What's all this talk of post game content? Are you telling me there is still a chance of CONVERGENCE!?!
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Monolith is own by Nintendo...so.. they are Nintendo employees... And OT was published by Nintendo... Yea.. Facts... Nintendo games.
Haven't really paid attention to this game yet, other than noting it might be interesting. Played Xenoblade Chronicles 2 earlier this year and loved it.
The negative things said about the game really doesn't sound good, especially the repetitiveness in content. Reminds me of Bravely Default.
But the one thing I am most curious about is the supposed post-game stuff discussed in this thread. Kinda insane that we dont know if stuff like that even exists or not. Good post-game content can often be a major part of JRPGs, and might even save otherwise mediocre ones imo.
Especially if the combat system is good which it sounds like it is here.
The negative things said about the game really doesn't sound good, especially the repetitiveness in content. Reminds me of Bravely Default.
But the one thing I am most curious about is the supposed post-game stuff discussed in this thread. Kinda insane that we dont know if stuff like that even exists or not. Good post-game content can often be a major part of JRPGs, and might even save otherwise mediocre ones imo.
Especially if the combat system is good which it sounds like it is here.
Monolith's a Nintendo-owned studio, so I don't think it's in accurate to call Xenoblade a Nintendo RPG.
Xenoblade 2 is just as much a Nintendo RPG as DKC Tropical Freeze is a Nintendo platformer. Both are made by Nintendo studios.
*facepalm* out of all the criticisms...
You were obviously not into old school dragon warrior / final fantasy type games. We're not talking about live Dungeons and Dragons intra-party alignment conflicts here. It's not that kinda game. OT is party-based traditional jrpg. There's not a western karma system at play, and jrpgs have never been like that.
Some of Jason's review is really disheartening. It sounds like their intent of 8 separate stories that can be played in any order really hurt the narrative as a whole. That's really disappointing.
Lol I just took a glance of the headlines. That's even more hilarious.
Actually what's kind of funny is the main gripe of every review is that it didn't stick to the tried and true path of connecting things for some epic story later on.
Not that it would make much of a difference, but it really sounds like this is a weird situation where none of the reviewers have found a true ending / endgame scenario?
The tracks that were ????? on the OST preview are called... EDIT: I won't post them here.
So, uh, that's pretty fucking cool.
They should have given more of a lead on review copies, I guess?
The tracks that were ????? on the OST preview are called... EDIT: I won't post them here.
So, uh, that's pretty fucking cool.
They should have given more of a lead on review copies, I guess?
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I mean look at this board (and the old ones) general reaction to reviews. If a game gets 10 and 9s but suddenly one review gives it the dreaded 8 they start to criticize the reviewer and act as if they had some sort of hidden agenda. People still give Jim Sterling shit for giving BotW a 8.
I guess it's the fault of hype culture. If a game gets any kind of hype it better be a 10 out of 10 cause a 8 is bad.
Edit: it was a 7 Jim gave it but still wasn't something worth people getting upset over.
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It's an exclusive rpg from square. It would have gotten attention whenever it was announced.
Probably a dumb question, but can anyone explain the lineage between Silicon Studios (Bravely) and Aquire? (Tenchu and Way of the Samurai, apparently?)
Octopath clearly has at least SOME Bravely influences, but at first glance, the studios couldn't be more different. Are there Silicon devs/artists in Acquire? Or what's happening?
Octopath clearly has at least SOME Bravely influences, but at first glance, the studios couldn't be more different. Are there Silicon devs/artists in Acquire? Or what's happening?
I very rarely see Edge scores below 5 nowadays. Definitely far less than half, which is what I'd kind of expect if 5 was really "average".
It's still not a rating worth saying he was doing it for clicks. Giving it a 3 out of 10 would be clickbait imo. That's a story for another thread though.
This thread is just reminding me how much money I spent on NNK2 without having touched it yet, and now I'm gonna out it off further thanks to playing this and not wanting to play even more RPGs at once than I already am, hah.
At least it got me to finally play the original this spring. I ended up very fond of it despite its issues. I wish 2 had a Mr. Drippy...
Going by one of the reviews at least, it sounds like side quests don't even give experience. I already forget which; might have been Jason's since it actually was in the context of it not alleviating the grinding as a result, hah, but I'm not sure if it was his or not.
Mhmm, I guess I appreciate your take on this vs the complaints I've seen that fully conflate "united story" with "tropey god/army fight". I think your point about cliche individual stories not going to have a united story after that would turn it around is a good one.
Of course, as you say, if the issue is just that they're not engaging, that's a bit different and uniting those characters more could in fact turn it around. And I think an RPG where a party comes together solely to support each other with their personal struggles (and is actually specifically portrayed as such, compared to the kinda-sorta depiction here) would be really neat! So it's unfortunate they didn't fully lean into that here.
At least it got me to finally play the original this spring. I ended up very fond of it despite its issues. I wish 2 had a Mr. Drippy...
Going by one of the reviews at least, it sounds like side quests don't even give experience. I already forget which; might have been Jason's since it actually was in the context of it not alleviating the grinding as a result, hah, but I'm not sure if it was his or not.
Mhmm, I guess I appreciate your take on this vs the complaints I've seen that fully conflate "united story" with "tropey god/army fight". I think your point about cliche individual stories not going to have a united story after that would turn it around is a good one.
Of course, as you say, if the issue is just that they're not engaging, that's a bit different and uniting those characters more could in fact turn it around. And I think an RPG where a party comes together solely to support each other with their personal struggles (and is actually specifically portrayed as such, compared to the kinda-sorta depiction here) would be really neat! So it's unfortunate they didn't fully lean into that here.
Yeah, but remember when Jeff Gerstmann gave Twilight Princess an 8.8 and half the itnernet literally exploded? Or maybe just Gamefaqs. Either way, good times!
For some people a compelling story is the #1 reason they play an RPG for 60 hours. Also people like surprising story beats and set pieces even in RPGs. FF6, a game infamously linked to OT by the dev, had things like a Mine Cart chase, river rafting, underwater current swimming, a playable dual story opera, a doom train and other dream sequences, a villian that wins and destroys the entire world, Airships with fully explorable world, Fights falling off a waterfall, several RTS battle events, Colliseum, sand submerging castles, infiltration sequences, and so much more. FF6 is 60 hours of one amazing event after another. OT doesn't have ANY of that stuff, according to these reviews. It's story poor and story event poor. Take away all those FF6 events and it's overworld and leave just dialogue, battle system, and caves and towns, and for me thats 30% of what FF6 is. So for some that want all that, the glass is like 30-50% full here. It's a huge deal breaker for a $60 game.
No. IP is owned by Square afaik. Nintendo are publishing in the west, so maybe they handle the localizations and such.
A lot of the reviews actually stated that the 8 stories were very good. The story is not poor, it's divisive.
Does 5 actually mean average or mediocre? Because if it's the latter, I understand why no one uses it. If we reviewed the weekly trash that comes out on steam, xbl, PSN, and Switch I think it would be obvious that review scores are not too high in general. Octopath is one of the exceptional games.
I'm not reading a word of any of these reviews and I was going to pick up the game tomorrow regardless but I'm glad it's turning out to be great.
I'm not reading a word of any of these reviews and I was going to pick up the game tomorrow regardless but I'm glad it's turning out to be great.
Same producer, I think? Maybe some other staff beyond that which I'm missing?
Otherwise it feels more like something they're trying to project than something that's actually true, but maybe I'm wrong.
Perhaps most of the individual stories don't stick the landing. If most of the stories end with a whimper it could leave a bad final taste in your mouth.
What's a Nintendo RPG ? Is it a specific flavor I missed out on ? Octopath and Xenoblade couldn't be more different
Echo (Maya Lopez) from Daredevil. Art by David Mack. never really cared about the character herself, but it's easily my favorite piece of art. Love David Mack's style.
OK, so:
"The Gate of Finis" is a concept teased in at least a couple of the stories' endings and could very feasibly be part of hidden endgame content, among other things that I noticed that I won't spoil.
Maybe there is something deeply hidden in here that'll blow all of our minds. I'd be thrilled. But if there is hidden endgame content, there are no hints that it exists at all. When you beat all eight stories, there are no icons left on the map, and no hints that there's still anything left to do beyond the side quests and optional jobs. The credits roll after you beat your main character's story. So we're talking about something that's very, very well-hidden, not some pivotal second half of the game or anything like that. It'd be a bummer if it were, say, locked until you finished every single side quest.
Ok , your point about Monolith being part of Nintendo is true, I can't argue against it even if the game feels nothing like a Nintendo game
On the other hand, OT is published by SE at Japan, so it's a Nintendo game only in the west.
Same kind of games? Xenoblade 2 and Octopath couldn't be further from each other in design, openness, presentation, story, characterization, and inspiration. The only thing that connects them is the loose term "RPG."
And calling them "Nintendo" games is a little suspect. It's like calling Street Fighter V a Sony game.
Why can't some of you guys just accept that somebody didn't like the game? It doesn't sound like he wanted to be disappointed by it - he just was. If that's the case, so be it. There are still others that do enjoy it.
I feel like a majority of folks uptight about it didn't read the end of his review where he still enjoyed his time with the game despite it's flaws he perceived.
Did you manage to unlock the 4 additionnal jobs ? I read that they were hidden in some temples.
Absolutely fantastic reviews overall, though not quite of the level I was expecting based on some of the hype and chatter on here (especially following the leaked review thread). Then again, some of the posts in this thread seem more critical.
They're all guarded by tough bosses that I haven't beaten.
All of them (only the games that were released in the west, mind you).
Sony doesn't own Capcom. Nintendo owns Monolith. Xenoblade/2 is very much a "Nintendo" game.
The closer comparison would be saying that Uncharted/Last of Us are Sony games.
These review threads really bring out the worst in people. Gotta give credit to Jason for being kind enough to reply to people in a calm and informative manner.
Also, if it hasn't been mentioned, Jason and Tim Rogers from Kotaku also discuss the game on the latest episode of the podcast Splitscreen. Can be found here, for example: https://player.fm/series/kotaku-splitscreen/ep-136-octopath-traveler-aint-great (the Kotaku page wasn't updated with the latest episode, it seems).
Also, if it hasn't been mentioned, Jason and Tim Rogers from Kotaku also discuss the game on the latest episode of the podcast Splitscreen. Can be found here, for example: https://player.fm/series/kotaku-splitscreen/ep-136-octopath-traveler-aint-great (the Kotaku page wasn't updated with the latest episode, it seems).
Xenoblade is a Nintendo RPG through and through. Is Uncharted not a Sony 3rd person game?
His last words were literally "botched JRPG experiment"