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What Apple Products do You have?

  • Mac

    Votes: 394 64.0%
  • iPad

    Votes: 446 72.4%
  • iPhone

    Votes: 535 86.9%
  • Watch

    Votes: 368 59.7%
  • Airpods

    Votes: 405 65.7%
  • AppleTV

    Votes: 308 50.0%
  • None: The Dark World

    Votes: 25 4.1%

  • Total voters
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Well, it installed Mojave and is setting up now. But that's not a guarantee it won't crash so here's hoping. Migrating files over now.


Yeah, after today I would totally consider replacing my iMac with something fresher. Though I'm pretty sure a SSD would make it as good as new anyway because my iMac is basically the same machine as my MacBook Pro with slight differences in hardware. Both from the same year. And ever since my laptop had its keyboard and trackpad and battery all replaced it's felt like a new machine. A SSD would probably do the same for my iMac as long as it's just a HDD problem.

Like if they updated both the iMac and the Mac mini, I'd probably very seriously consider a decked out Mac mini to connect to my TV instead of a new iMac. Providing it isn't a shitty upgrade. Maybe I can keep this iMac limping along for a while.

What year is your iMac? I assume it has an accessible hard drive?
 

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What year is your iMac? I assume it has an accessible hard drive?
Oh no. Only the RAM is accessible. It was manufactured in 2013. I bought it refurbished in 2014. I have to take it to an authorized Apple specialist in order to get the drive replaced because Apple doesn't even bother with doing that after market.

I wish it had an accessible drive, I'd have replaced it by now. And don't tell me "Oh it's not that hard to do it yourself." No. It's very hard. I've watched it done. It's not something I want to fuck around with at all. I'd rather pay a professional.
 

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Oh no. Only the RAM is accessible. It was manufactured in 2013. I bought it refurbished in 2014. I have to take it to an authorized Apple specialist in order to get the drive replaced because Apple doesn't even bother with doing that after market.

I wish it had an accessible drive, I'd have replaced it by now. And don't tell me "Oh it's not that hard to do it yourself." No. It's very hard. I've watched it done. It's not something I want to fuck around with at all. I'd rather pay a professional.

Nah I know how hard it is. I ain't even gonna fuck with mine.
 

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Nah I know how hard it is. I ain't even gonna fuck with mine.
It's like 5 years old. If Apple released new machines tomorrow I'd jump right on them. Like seriously. Which is why I wouldn't mind just replacing the drive while I wait. But would I just have another HDD installed for much less or go all out and get a 512GB SSD installed for about $500 or so? With the SSD I'd probably keep it longer.

Anyway I won't even know if I need to replace it until I find out if it's going to crash again. Wont know for a few hours when the migration (750+GB) is finished.

Seriously, Apple. Release new iMacs or Mac minis and new MacBook Pros all with brand new 8th generation Intel processors and I'll buy one of each. I'm so ready. I hate these waiting games. Especially when they take an unusually long time between updates. Same thing happened twice to me before. In 2009 my white 2007 MacBook was dying rapidly. It was on life support with the keyboard removed plugged into an external monitor because the processor kept overheating and turning the machine off. The new MacBook Pros, which is what I was waiting for, didn't come out until like Spring 2010. The wait was unbearable. At the same time I was waiting for the Mac mini to get updated to use as a media/backup server. Took forever. I've saved up for so long my money is burning a hole in my bank account and credit card account.

I do hope the mini does get some love though. It deserves a nice upgrade. A modernization. An all-flash version with an even sleeker case. Hopefully it won't be all USB-C though and still keep at least 4 USB3 ports. (and HDMI) With the added benefit of having some USB-C as well that I can just get adapters for and have more USB ports for my external drives that are all USB3. A GPU that is powerful enough to drive a 4K display (Like a 4K TV) at actual Retina 4K resolution without horrible stuttering. (Though I plugged my MacBook Pro into my 4K TV and it had terrible lag so I'd probably just use 1080p.)
 

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Is there a way to measure internet network speeds inside my home? I don't know why it's started recently, but streaming from my Plex server, which is on my home network, from within my home, has gotten to be slow. And, just today, I couldn't watch a video on an Apple TV without the internet halting on my iMac. Something fishy is going on, but I'm not sure how to check.
https://iperf.fr I think is what you're looking for
 

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I think that Apple feels like the future of storage is the cloud. And they treat iOS as if all files belong within specific apps instead of having a finder.

I feel like the future of the files app should be to allow you to have offline sync copies of your cloud storage similar to what readdle is allowing you to do with PDF expert and their Documents app. But better.

Also the files app should allow you to more easily access your files that are within each app. Rather than just accessing the cloud.

I still feel like the finder on MacOS is my main source of file management and the iOS files app is just a band aid that enables me to do what I want in specific apps in iOS.

I wonder when I will feel like iOS can be a stand alone platform for my work.
 

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Anyone running iOS12 on their daily driver phone? I'm running it on my iPad and love the way it does keychain stuff and I wouldn't mind seeing the performance improvements, but how stable is it now? Is it worth it? I have an iPhone 7 but I rely on it constantly for school and navigating public transit.
 

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Hello! I work in a company that has iPads in stores all over the country. There is an iPad per store, so the costumers can browse our catalog while they shop.

I'm looking for an app that lets me has control, from the main office, all the internet-connected iPads. I need total control (system configurations and whatnot).

Also, I would like the app to work without asking for password/confirmation every time i'm going to use it (after the first activation of course), so that rules out Teamviewer? Does such an app exists? Thanks!
 

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Hello! I work in a company that has iPads in stores all over the country. There is an iPad per store, so the costumers can browse our catalog while they shop.

I'm looking for an app that lets me has control, from the main office, all the internet-connected iPads. I need total control (system configurations and whatnot).

Also, I would like the app to work without asking for password/confirmation every time i'm going to use it (after the first activation of course), so that rules out Teamviewer? Does such an app exists? Thanks!
https://www.apple.com/business/it/
 

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Too late - I bought a Lenovo micro PC thing as a plex server, but happy to see the mini get an update. No brainier to whack a 4-core 15W chip in there and keep the same form factor
 

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Sounds like an absolutely awesome keynote. If only I had a few grand to drop for more Apple stuff lol. Mac Mini is definitely next up unless this is just a CPU bump (they possibly can't just pull this shit tho right?... right?)
 
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I dunno why Apple hasn't just stuck a dirt-cheap SATAIII SSD in their low-cost Mac Mini and iMacs already. It gives users a better experience, it allows them to ditch legacy tech and free up space. Not everyone needs PCIe SSDs, especially if they just want to buy a $500 Mac in the first place.
 

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Yesssss that report. For me this year:

1. New bigger Apple Watch (same body bigger screen yes please)
2. New iMac (new display tech... 120Hz??)
3. iPhone X2 (hopefully they don't do that thing where only the bigger one gets some camera upgrade, I really like the size of this 5.8" phone)
4. iPad Pro 12.9 third gen (same screen size smaller body yes please. Maybe a new pencil too?? And a smart keyboard with more functionality??)
5. Updated AirPods (the battery in my launch pair have been shakey as you would expect with how much I use them, hopefully this pair comes with Hey Siri and the wireless charging case because...)
6. AirPower. It's my perfect charger.

I think that's about right for first party stuff.
 

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Maccccc Mininnininininin

I don't want a refresh. I want a redesign. No. More. Hard. Drives. Make the new Mini all flash. And if that pushes the base price up then do what you've done twice before and keep the older model around at a cheaper price just for the entry level. (Basically keep the HDD based older design at the $500 entry point but offer the flash ones at the $700 point with a 256GB SSD version.) Just like they did with the MacBook Pro both after the Retina version came out and they kept the old optical model for a few years and after the TouchBar redesign came out they still offer the older style as a cheap alternative. That would solve the "SSD still too expensive to go all out" problem.

Either way, after the problems I had yesterday with my iMac (Which is doing fine now after reformatting and reinstalling Mojave and migrating all the files over) I'll totally buy an updated Mac mini to replace it even if it's still the same design as long as it's SSD based. I never want another HDD boot disk in a computer again.
 
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I dunno why Apple hasn't just stuck a dirt-cheap SATAIII SSD in their low-cost Mac Mini and iMacs already. It gives users a better experience, it allows them to ditch legacy tech and free up space. Not everyone needs PCIe SSDs, especially if they just want to buy a $500 Mac in the first place.

When has apple stuck a "dirt cheap" anything into their products?
 

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Ok you got me.

But I was actually thinking of new products. Not old Unrefreshed products. And yes I know their iMacs with 5400 rpm drives contradict what I am saying.
 

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I dunno why Apple hasn't just stuck a dirt-cheap SATAIII SSD in their low-cost Mac Mini and iMacs already. It gives users a better experience, it allows them to ditch legacy tech and free up space. Not everyone needs PCIe SSDs, especially if they just want to buy a $500 Mac in the first place.
When has apple stuck a "dirt cheap" anything into their products?
right now, when they're using garbage 5400rpm laptop drives
Seriously. You can get 2.5" SSDs fairly cheaply now. And both computers have slots for 2.5" drives. The difference would still be extremely noticeable between a HDD and even the cheapest SSD. No customer would complain that the SSD is to slow. If anything they'd notice a huge increase in speed in comparison to the HDD. The speed of those slow shitty HDDs was bad enough when I had one in my 2005 Mac mini and I ended up installing my system on an external FireWire drive and getting so much better results so much so that I burned the FW port out. And last night when running my iMac off an external USB3 HDD it felt fairly speedy compared to the drive inside the machine I almost wanted to just run the machine from that drive from now on. I don't even know what speed drives are in those cases but they're obviously not the 5400RPM Apple uses. Fuck, they could just upgrade to faster HDDs and I'd be slightly happier. There's no reason to stick with the slowest HDDs except to force people to upgrade to SSD. If my iMac wasn't a refurb, I probably would have spent a little more to replace the drive but I didn't have a choice when I bought it.

If they weren't so stingy about replacing drives yourself it wouldn't be a problem. It's stupid that even on the iMac you can only replace the RAM in the 27" models. But it's locked on the 21" even though they could easily engineer both models to have an access port for both the RAM and drive. Didn't they even lock down the lowest end Mac mini so you can't replace even the RAM with the last update? (Four years ago)
 
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I've been eying the Apple Watch for a while. If it's any combination of thinner and longer-lasting I'll probably jump in (they've slowly thickened the device 10% since the original model, when really it's the only Apple device that could do with being thinner.)

Otherwise I'm just waiting to see what the Mac Pro will look like.
 

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The only Mac I care about is the one they've punted off to 2019.

I really wish Tim would step down and let someone with a proper vision and real passion for products take over. Tim was a great interim CEO that steadied the boat after Steve's death, but it's clear that he's not the right longterm leader the company needs. He has let Microsoft look like the innovators in both the tablet and the computer space, let competitors eclipse an AI product that Apple started (to the point that I see more TV shows saying "hey Alexa" than "hey Siri"...Steve would be rolling in his grave over that), totally missed the smart speaker market segment and gave that to Amazon, allowed many software and hardware products to feel sloppy (perhaps his greatest failure) and bug-ridden, installed a software design VP that had no UI design experience (and it shows), has failed to so far make a success out of the Apple TV and seems unwilling to revolutionize the industry the way Steve wanted, a terrible Apple Watch launch where they've spent the last few releases trying to figure out why the product should exist, and made Apple's scattered product lineup resemble the mess that was Apple in the 1990s. He's obviously championed privacy (unless you're a Chinese citizen) and improving environmental impact, both great things, but overall I find his tenure to be lackluster and overall damaging to the longterm health of Apple.
 

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Wow, awesome parody of a macrumors forum post.

For what it's worth, I don't disagree with you all that much. However...

1. Microsoft look like innovators sure, and the Surface line seems nice, but it's failed to sell really all that well or spark a host of copycats (the iPad Pro I'm typing this on notwithstanding) so I'm unsure of what that "innovation" counts for if its a giant culdesac. At least when Apple was innovating and selling worse they still had a whole market of copycats (ultrabooks anyone?).

2. Yeah, they lost the AI and smart speaker lead, sure. However, I don't know if TV shows are really a way to judge that, since that's all marketing. Amazon is paying them to say Alexa. You can make an argument that Apple could be paying them to say Siri but that's a whole different market from the products themselves. Which absolutely they are behind on.

3. Hardware and software don't feel any more sloppy or buggy than they ever have. At least not significantly more so. For every keyboard issue we can talk about the cracking white MacBooks.

4. I legitimately forget who is in charge of UI design now, is it Federighi or Ive? We can talk about a lack of consistency post-iOS 6 but while it was consistent, it was consistently shit.

5. Jobs has two iterations of the Apple TV to make it a smashing, industry-wide upset, and even he couldn't do it. And that was before the rise of Netflix streaming, cord-cutting, and Smart TVs. Steve may have wanted to revolutionize the industry but he had all the opportunity and didn't, so I'm not sure his replacement failing to take up that unsuccessful mantle is a point against him. Especially seeing how significantly the market has changed.

6. There is no smart watch market, there's an Apple Watch market. It's the only successful name in the space, trying to paint it as a struggling thing is disingenuous. People love it.

7. Apple's product line is indeed a mess and I've been advocating culling the older stuff for a while now. This is Cook's biggest failing, his unwillingness to drop old stuff. Why the hell are they still selling iPhones back to the 6S? If they want to keep older stuff around to stay downmarket keep it to one generation back, maybe a second purely as a refurb option.

8. People have been saying every year how this is the peak for Apple and it's going downhill, and they're fine. They're only selling more and more devices, and despite all the legitimate points brought up, people aren't really leaving. In fact they're buying more stuff. Lackluster tenure, sure. Damaging to long-term Apple, I don't see how that's the case.
 

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1. Some of these points I'm coming at from a marketing perspective. Sometimes looking like an innovator is more important in terms of consumer mindshare than being an innovator. But I do think it shows that MS is pushing harder to innovate than Apple is. The innovations Apple is bringing to their flagship MBP for instance have either been useless (touch bar) or massively unliked (the butterfly keyboard, removing all ports except USB-C, removing mag-safe). It's mostly the same basic design they were selling a decade ago. MS may not have it right, but at least they are thinking in transformative new directions, and that generates excitement in the public.

2. Again, mindshare. Once a competitor becomes the default association with a particular product segment, you've already lost the battle. Also, unlike some companies, Apple has traditionally never paid for product placements on shows, only provided the hardware. Like the famous Mac on Seinfeld. Those directors and showrunners wanted Apple products. Maybe Amazon is paying everyone money to say Alexa, but it's still a battle Apple is losing. Having said that, I wasn't using TV shows as a way to judge the failure of Siri in the market. It's done a fine job of that on its own so far. I really hope the Google guy can turn things around, but Tim squandered the lead they had over competitors by letting department in-fighting and lack of vision leave Siri a mess.

3/4. I still use my 2008 Mac Pro every day. Other than a dead Firewire port and a Nvidia card that died, it's been rock solid. My 2016 MBP has had a logic board replaced, the keyboard replaced, and now needs a second keyboard replacement. But really, the software is where everything has gone to shit, both reliability and the design. There used to be a time that I looked at Apple as UI design gods, but they are mediocre at best now. Their design language is tepid and unfocused and they often don't even follow their own HIG. Oh, and the guy in charge of software design is Alan Dye. He came from Marcom. He was responsible for the iOS 7 design and the watchOS 1.0 design.

5. From what I understood from the Isaacson bio, Jobs didn't really work out how to "crack the nut" of TV until near the end of his life, so I don't think Jobs really had the energy at that point to see that through. We may never know what his idea even was, but I'm sure part of it was playing hardball with the networks. I don't think creating another content garden of exclusives really helps consumers with reasonable prices for cable shows. It feels like they are following what others are doing instead of leading. I think Tim also had a chance to do something big with gaming with the Apple TV, but didn't even include a game controller as a bundle so that was DOA.

6. The Gen 0 Apple Watch was mostly a failure. I have one, but most didn't. They have closed down all of their Apple Watch Edition areas in high-end fashion stores. Their original vision was no vision at all, it was as much a mess as watchOS 1.0 was. They have admitted openly that they've been figuring out what people like most about the Watch and building on that. That's a huge red flag. They launched the product without having a clear vision of why the product should exist. That's not the Apple Way, it smelled of desperation by Tim to prove he could launch a new product segment in a post-Jobs era. The fact that it's successful now doesn't negate how the product started.

8. Many companies continue to post big revenue numbers even though their long-term health is in question. See: Microsoft under Ballmer. I'm not saying Apple is in that bad of a position, I see some positive signs in all of this, but they don't have the clear focus of the Jobs days and that focus must always start at the top. It's one thing for startups to catch big companies by surprise, but Amazon catching Apple out on their smart speakers should've been a big warning sign. So should the alleged internal chaos of Siri and the Apple Car project -- in-fighting and chaos is a sign of bad leadership.
 

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I really do think we agree more than disagree on the substantive stuff, regardless of what the walls of text look like. I won't lie, I look enviously at the Surface line every once in a while, before remembering my utter disdain for Windows, doubly so when using it as a tablet. What I really want is for Apple to just copy their kickstand and type cover wholesale. I don't care how bad it would look, it would improve things 1000%.

The lineup right now is nuts, with a Mac Pro from 2013 (which is getting a successor but GOD was that a massive fuckup. Everything "Pro" related between 2015 to now was horrific, software and hardware), a MacBook Air from 2015 that's still $999 and non-retina, a 15" Pro from 2015 occupying the $1999 spot where the 2017 should be starting, etc. I think very fondly of the product matrix Jobs created when he got back, and it's applicable to every product line! Have the new iPhone in two sizes and the previous generation in two sizes, have the regular iPad line and the iPad Pro line, have a MacBook line and a MacBook Pro line, etc etc. Right now when someone asks me what Mac they should get, which happens more and more as back-to-school ramps up, there's no good answer. I want to say MBP 13 but the USB-C situation is still weird, and it only has a $50 student discount where the Macbook Air has a $150 student discount but it's not great. The Macbook is fine in concept but needs more ports.

Apple fucked their lead in AI and gave it to Amazon, no question. I think their strategy for customizing Siri is better than customizing Alexa with the Skill store, and props there. There's a place where Apple is leveraging the App Store to great effect, which Amazon can't do. Playing to their own strengths.

I can fully recognize all those things (and more!) and still find myself excited for new hardware and software. I'm simultaneously disappointed and overjoyed. I'm disjoyed.
 

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I just bought the Logitech iPad Pro removable keyboard case with a built in kickstand. And I don't think the iPad needs a built in kickstand. Shrug.

I think the best laptop to get is either the 13 MacBook Pro non-TB or the MacBook depending on if you value Pro or extreme portability more. I think that's not hard to do the math on, it's a no brainer.
 

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I just bought the Logitech iPad Pro removable keyboard case with a built in kickstand. And I don't think the iPad needs a built in kickstand. Shrug.

I think the best laptop to get is either the 13 MacBook Pro non-TB or the MacBook depending on if you value Pro or extreme portability more. I think that's not hard to do the math on, it's a no brainer.

I have that Logitech case, it more than doubles the thickness and weight of the iPad. Makes it thicker than a MacBook Air.

They keyboard is actually nice, with the backlighting and function keys and whatnot. But it plus the case is ridiculous.
 

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Which is great, and there are definitely positives to it. But you know what doesn't have that problem, but retains all the functionality? Surface with a type cover.

Edit: Also, I looked it up. The "Slim" Combo quite literally doubles the weight and quadruples the thickness.
 
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I think the Siri / AI stuff would've played out the exact same way under Steve Jobs leadership. The smart speaker market has been a race to rock-bottom pricing with Echo Dots and Google Home Minis selling for $29 each (often with a $25 gift card) last Black Friday. Apple is never going to play that game.

Similar situation when it comes to TV where people can buy a $25 Chromecast / Fire TV stick or a $150 Apple TV.
 

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Which is great, and there are definitely positives to it. But you know what doesn't have that problem, but retains all the functionality? Surface with a type cover.

I hate the surface type cover keyboard. I also hate the Apple iPad keyboard. The Logitech case has an actual good keyboard. So I would disagree with the notion that the surface "retains all the functionality" with the type keyboard.

I also appreciate a protective case. So I actually prefer a little bulk. The surface with type cover feels much more vulnerable to accidental drops to me. Drops happen. I'd rather break a case than a computer.

But that's just me.
 

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i've never liked the surface pro as a tablet, and that includes the form factor. It's just awkward. Not sure if the kickstand adds to that or what, but if so I'm not too big on it on a Pro.

What I do like is the Surface as a laptop with the keyboard cover. That's what I think it's best as.
 
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My frustration with Apple and their hardware is the update cycle and prices. I want a new Mac Mini and mine is struggling right now, so I'll get that immediately. But, my late 2012 iMac is going ok. Sure, it's showing its age, but I can wait another year before I drop two grand on it. However, if an update comes out this year, there probably won't be an update next year, and it's not like prices are going to drop so why should I wait? I know it's kind of always been that "buy now because there's no point in waiting" line of thinking, but with the huge gaps between updates, I just feel personally for my spending habits, it's getting worse.

I use an iPad Pro 9.7 with the smart keyboard and I like it. It's relatively thin and I don't have major problems with the keyboard like some do. All I wish iOS, and Apple TV as well, is that I could run more emulators on it through Xcode signing other than Provenance. ScummVM works great on everything other than iOS because no one wants to develop for it, and it's a bummer.

As for Siri/Alexa stuff, whenever I'm at a friend's house and have to use the voice commands to do a bunch of stuff, I hate it. I'd rather Apple keep taking their time or not let it do stuff it's really going to struggle to do. Shortcuts sound awesome, and, I hope I can do with it what I envision myself doing. I know people always say Siri sucks, but like Apple Maps, I've never really had problems with it (granted, I use dictation, reading/writing texts, and calendar/reminder stuff, so I'm probably not pushing it a lot, but I do use it daily multiple times. It understands me darn perfectly).

This year will be expensive for me. New iPad, maybe new phone, maybe new watch, Mac Mini (might max it out, too, depending on how it compares to my iMac, and maybe I'll just give up on the iMac line because I don't really need a 4K display), smart cover, and depending on how life works out this year, I might need a notebook of some sorts.
 
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The only Mac I care about is the one they've punted off to 2019.

I really wish Tim would step down and let someone with a proper vision and real passion for products take over. Tim was a great interim CEO that steadied the boat after Steve's death, but it's clear that he's not the right longterm leader the company needs. He has let Microsoft look like the innovators in both the tablet and the computer space, let competitors eclipse an AI product that Apple started (to the point that I see more TV shows saying "hey Alexa" than "hey Siri"...Steve would be rolling in his grave over that), totally missed the smart speaker market segment and gave that to Amazon, allowed many software and hardware products to feel sloppy (perhaps his greatest failure) and bug-ridden, installed a software design VP that had no UI design experience (and it shows), has failed to so far make a success out of the Apple TV and seems unwilling to revolutionize the industry the way Steve wanted, a terrible Apple Watch launch where they've spent the last few releases trying to figure out why the product should exist, and made Apple's scattered product lineup resemble the mess that was Apple in the 1990s. He's obviously championed privacy (unless you're a Chinese citizen) and improving environmental impact, both great things, but overall I find his tenure to be lackluster and overall damaging to the longterm health of Apple.

Some points:
*Steve presided over just as many software and hardware issues as Cook. MobileMe, iPhone 4, Windtunnel PowerMacs, G4 Cube, the nonexistent 3GHz G5 and G5 notebooks, Lion, Snow Leopard early releases. It's total revisionist history to act like they somehow appeared after.

*The problems with the AppleTV, aside from gaming, are problems Apple can't actually solve. Cable companies don't want to let go. They're doing as much as they can in the area.

* The Apple Watch is dominating the smartwatch category. It's not in any way, shape or form a failure, unless you have the expectation it was going to replace smartphones.

EDIT: Also, to the point of launching the Watch 'without having a clear idea of what they wanted to do', they clearly did have an idea. It's just that a few of those features were far more focused on by consumers. The original iPhone announcement focused on stuff that no one cares about now (seriously, the least important part of an iPhone is the phone.)
 
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Is there a macOS thread? I searched the first ten pages of hangouts but couldn't find one. I just had a general question; I have a Windows partition where I play all of my games, if I install the Mojave public beta on my Macintosh HD, will that affect my Bootcamp partition at all? I remember having an absolute hell of a time fixing issues with my partitions when macOS switched to APFS.
 

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Also the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro have proven to be super niche products for Apple.

If more people bought the Mac Mini it would have been updated. Apple leaves it for sale because some people still buy it. For most normal usage if it has an SSD in it then it is still pretty fast.

Apple also updated and gave us the iMac Pro. It is a fantastic machine, and the large majority of Apples Pro consumers use iMacs.