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MOD EDIT: This thread is not about cross-play, please go to the cross-play thread to discuss that specific topic there.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...oing-so-well-we-dont-forget-why-were-here-now

Shu Yoshida reflects on 25 years at PlayStation, and the difficulty of hardware transitions.


This week at Develop in Brighton, he took to the stage with the dashingly handsome Edge editor Nathan Brown to talk through his 25 years at the company, and some of the difficulties faced in the various hardware transitions PlayStation has seen over the years.

Yoshida started his tenure at PlayStation in February 1993, working as part of the small team led by Ken Kutaragi that was behind the original hardware. "[At the time there was a] Silicon Graphics workstation, which was around $100k - and Ken said he's making a machine of that power that'll be available for less than $500," Yoshida recounted onstage. At first Yoshida didn't believe that was possible, but when someone told him Kutaragi wasn't full of hot air he decided to sign up to the project.

Those early years saw Yoshida and those around him sign some deals that would be pivotal in the success of the PlayStation - and in sowing the seeds for future generations - as Square was convinced to move away from Nintendo and bring Final Fantasy 7 to Sony, with Enix soon following suit with the Dragon Quest series.

And amidst that rabble of games there was a new adventure game from Fumito Ueda and Team Ico, which found itself suffering from technical difficulties on the original PlayStation. "I moved development from PS1 to PS2," Yoshida recalled of the project that would become Ico. "Sounds familiar, right?"

"Ken [Kutaragi] was such a brilliant engineer - the team that worked for Ken was so motivated, he was a great motivator. Maybe he was using video games as a stepping stone to realise his vision and dreams - he wanted to become the next Intel or something.
He always approached developing game systems, up to PS3 - they work on a system just by themselves. And we weren't given access until it was done. He had trust with the developers - whatever he made, the top developers would be able to work on them and understand them. He didn't see the need to involve game developers in the design of the system - that's how the PS3 was made. And you know how successful it was."

Yoshida headed back to Japan, helping the studios work more closely together as Mark Cerny worked on the PlayStation Vita and PlayStation 4 projects - and in the latter example, the shift towards working with developers and soothing development has helped make it a success, its sales ontrack to eclipse the PlayStation 3 this year.
It marks the continuation of a cycle that's familiar from other hardware manufacturers, with Nintendo stumbling after the success of the Wii with the Wii U, and Microsoft also fumbling the follow-up to the Xbox 360 with the troubled launch of the Xbox One. So what can Sony take onboard as it prepares for another hardware transition in the not-too-distant future?

Full article here
 

Spinluck

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Sony is awesome, yay Sony!

Shu is the best too he's so cool and down to Earth!
 

Green Yoshi

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PS1 -> PS2 was a good transition for Sony. One of the reasons for that was the fact that the PS2 was backwards compatible and could run all PSX games and supported PSX controllers and memory cards.
 

Azure Wanderer

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They haven't forgotten about traditional gamers and such they have our loyalty in a way only Nintendo was able to claim before.

I mean, they wanted to sell us a games console when the competition was selling us a tv-enabled water cooler.

Mad respect imo.
 

Salty Rice

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Its really interesting where the PS5 is going to go with the architecture.

With Cerny on the lead i think we can expect another easy to use and to develop for the Playstation again.

But hope BC will be part of the thought of the PS5 architecture.
Sony is awesome, yay Sony!

Shu is the best too he's so cool and down to Earth!
Really?
 
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They are where they are now because of games so as long as Sony WWS is firing on all cylinders they don't need to be scared much.
 

Holundrian

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This feels like a misjudgment. To voice opinions related to how the headline of that other thread rang hollow(and this one) isn't off topic at all.
..... But alright.
 

everyer

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I'm so glad they bring out so many good studios and support big budget IPs.

I think the games are why they are here.
 

Bunkles

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Well, I mean, what else are you supposed to do? Complaining about Sony's policies is an appropriate response to what Shu said, and apparently now we can't do that.

So we either talk about cross play or sarcastically praise Sony? There's literally nothing else to talk about?
 

John Bender

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I still hope they will acquire another AAA dev studio like Quantic Dream. They need that to support two platforms at the same time.
 
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Sony ends PS3 "life" with some of its best games, PS4 in the last 3 years is getting a amazing list of exclusives, how can anyone say that Sony isn't doing things right to deserve the success
Edit: deleted the comment after the mod post in op
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cheesekao

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I'm still holding out hope that they'll make at least ONE AAA JRPG in the foreseeable future. Hell, just remake Legend of the Dragoon and I'm set. Gravity Rush 2 looks pretty damn good and I'd like to see a JRPG using that engine.
 

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You guys are exhausting. All anyone does on Era these days is complain about everything in videogames.
 

Kaako

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They haven't forgotten about traditional gamers and such they have our loyalty in a way only Nintendo was able to claim before.

I mean, they wanted to sell us a games console when the competition was selling us a tv enabled water cooler.

Mad respect imo.
Yup. Keep delivering quality games and you'll have my business. It's really fucking simple, really.
Don't over complicate things and shove things inside a video games consoles that don't belong.
 

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Sony's first party output is essentially the best it's ever been, as is their console from a UI, speed, installs, social options, media sharing, online party and chat options perspective too. And they're ahead of the competition in certain areas like VR, SharePlay, game streaming (PlayStation Now) etc. It's no surprise the PS4 is as popular as it is. If they can maintain this type of momentum going forward with the PS5, the next console will likely once again be extremely popular.

The fact that they're willing to experiment with so many AAA new game IP's is also extremely commendable. Just this gen they'll have pushed Bloodborne, Horizon Zero Dawn, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima, Detroit, Until Dawn, The Last Guardian, Dreams, DRIVECLUB, Day's Gone, Knack and more. And then they'll also have new spins on existing properties like Spider-Man too.

Sony is delivering in the most important area of a console, the games, and that, coupled with all the above reasons, is likely partly why the console is still so dominant at present, despite being 5+ years in to its life cycle.
 
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The one thing Sony WWS needs to focus more at is their Japan studios.

I'll continue this over PM with you, I don't want to talk about this in the thread since it is explicitly forbidden.

Then you shouldn't have commented about crossplay, in a thread with a mod edit stating no crossplay talk, cause you've already derailed the thread a bit.
 

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I still hope they will acquire another AAA dev studio like Quantic Dream. They need that to support two platforms at the same time.
Yeah, I think first party must keep being a priority for them and if that means expansion so expansion it is.

It's actually more important now that the big studios are creating new IPs and such they won't want to keep being "glued" on one single IP, so they'll need "legacy IP studios" like say 343.
 

WillySJ3

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I'm still holding out hope that they'll make at least ONE AAA JRPG in the foreseeable future. Hell, just remake Legend of the Dragoon and I'm set. Gravity Rush 2 looks pretty damn good and I'd like to see a JRPG using that engine.
Someone at Sony need to give Japan Studio a 50 million dollar budget and 3 years to make that. Please.
 

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Photos from that event:

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also they missed one good quote about Ken Kutaragi:



Plus this:

On the future of games: "[Remakes and remasters] are great, but they perhaps speak of how little games have progressed.""I'd really like to see interactivity become more and more complex... I'm interested in the advancement of AI, to make characters more complex, to improve interactions with players."

https://twitter.com/developconf/status/1016606439689859072
 

Wereroku

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I'll continue this over PM with you, I don't want to talk about this in the thread since it is explicitly forbidden.
Then why did you bring it up to begin with. To you really not have any thoughts on Shu's history and what they changed going from PS3-PS4. Or have you not even read the article?

Someone at Sony need to give Japan Studio a 50 million dollar budget and 3 years to make that. Please.
That last thing we heard about Japan Studio was how disorganized they were to the point of bringing in a new head for the studio from a completely different region. If they had such a massive upheaval we probably are still waiting for the new projects that came from that. Also sadly JRPGs are never going to get a large budget because they just don't make the return on it unless they are an established IP. However a smaller budget RPG from Sony would be cool to see.
 

Midas

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"On Ken Kutaragi: "He's always at least five years ahead of time... we would wish he was a little closer to our time!""

I do remember him talking vividly about "the cloud" way before it was actually something that us common people would use.
 

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The one thing Sony WWS needs to focus more at is their Japan studios.



Then you shouldn't have commented about crossplay, in a thread with a mod edit stating no crossplay talk, cause you've already derailed the thread a bit.

Well every project/franchise that was started before Alan Becker became head is now done so who knows where they go next, i think its exciting times ahead for Japan studios.
 

StraySheep

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Wow, a mod edit and ban within 7 minutes of posting is pretty impressive.

Going to have to read the full article because the quote in the headline is the most interesting part to me.
 

Eolz

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So, sorry, but the article basically says nothing. Everything is in the OP's quotes (outside of the controversial bit), and there's nothing new.
Shu is not talking about first party games, but talking vaguely about hardware and the mistakes they've done along the way (the ones we can't talk about).
What is there to discuss exactly?
 

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I really hope we see a little more of Sony Japan proper. I know they collaborated on Bloodborne with From, but they MUST be working on something big of their own at this point, right?

At any rate, I'm really curious as to what they'll do with PS5. I feel like the equivalent of a PS4 (but hopefully with backward compatibility) would be enough, but I'm not sure if they're think the same way. Maybe PSVR is the thing they're counting on to set themselves apart from the competition, or maybe it's something else entirely.

Sony is awesome, yay Sony!

Shu is the best too he's so cool and down to Earth!
This is your life.
Well, I mean, what else are you supposed to do? Complaining about Sony's policies is an appropriate response to what Shu said, and apparently now we can't do that.
I don't know. Read the article? Comment on the other 99% of it?
 

Brix

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Great interview. I wonder what the launch year PS5 games lineup will look like.
 

ethomaz

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Seems like the PS3 mistakes still plays a big role in PS4's bosses.
And that is how it should be.

Instead to drop the ball at the end of the gen Sony is doing with PS4 the same they did with PS3 building a strong library of sucessful releases that makes players have faith in the new generation.

Sony will probably enter the next-gen stronger than than this gen if they continue doing the right things like they are doing right now.

Looking at the other side MS and Nintendo seems to follow changes to reaches the same level the difference is that Sony started years ago while MS and Nintendo just recently started to move forward with good decisions even so MS still have issues with the games output (that can be fixed next gen with all the studios they brought) and Nintendo still has issues with 3rd parties (people will say 3rd release games on Switch but that is not what I'm talking about when 80% of the 3rd gamers avoid the platform).

The shape for next-gen is looking for way more competition than this gen.... of course anybody can screw up at reveal and make the things worst.