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JurassicERA |OT| A New World Rises from a Fallen Kingdom
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I'd argue its partly because the Dilo is pretty much the most inaccurate dino in the entire franchise. Spielberg sized them down (though they were sized back up in World) and added the stupid frill.
The other part of it, as others have said, the "medium sized" predator space has a lot of competition in the JP franchise.
If you look at what else they've used predator wise that is the same size (roughly) as the Dilo is supposed to be:
JP - Velociraptor, Baryonyx (book only + movie promotional material), Dilophosaurus
JP 2 - Velociraptor, Carnotaurus (book only)
JP 3 - Velociraptor, Ceratosaurus, Baryonyx* & Suchomimus* (*replaced by Spinosaur just before production)
JP: W - Velociraptor
JP: Fallen Kingdom: Velociraptor, Allosaurus (multiple, all juvenile), Baryonyx (for real this time!) , Carnotaurus (ish), Indoraptor
The Velociraptor being as popular as it is kind of displaced all the other medium sized predators (and predators in general because it seems like they HAVE to appear) from the franchise until Fallen Kingdom, where they started to be used much more. That's arguably the "best" part of 3, they were not afraid to leave the T-Rex on the sidelines aside from the cameo to fight the Spino (and even that movie has way too much Raptor)
TLDR: Like someone else said, Raptors.
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Just mentioned AFAIK. Was also mentioned in promotional material for the book/film:
Just mentioned AFAIK. Was also mentioned in promotional material for the book/film:
I've known this map, as it's the the official fan magazine I still have! Nice that the other two carnivores showed up in Mattel toy-form at least. Baryonyx was... technically in the first movie. The eggs that Alan and the kids found were theirs. I knew this, because I had the toy of the baby Bary, and the collector card it came with was that, explaining the eggs.
In general, the west coast seems to get stock last in the country, of any sort of toy. My local Walmart had bigger aisle cardboard sections full of Series 1 stuff in it with the movie out, but no sign of 2 yet, in person :/ Can't seem to order it online anywhere yet (at MSRP), either.
Having just watched A Quiet Place, I'll enter John Krasinski as my pick for a JP/W flick.
I had some nitpicks, but he can direct child actors and tension masterfully.
I had some nitpicks, but he can direct child actors and tension masterfully.
Finally got it setup. This is pretty cool, all things considered.
Nice to get more stuff like this to build more lore in the series.
The interactivity is fun for this choose your own adventure.
You have to pay for the rest of the story though, but it's pretty cool regardless.
Apparently there's a couple new Target exclusive POPs... I ordered the Dilo but the worst part? Online-only and it's a RedCard exclusive -_- (Of course images don't want to link, so lazy links...)
https://www.target.com/p/pop-movies-jurassic-world-2-owen-with-baby-raptor-exclusive/-/A-53620288
https://www.target.com/p/pop-movies-jurassic-park-dilophosaurus-redcard-exclusive/-/A-53411538
https://www.target.com/p/pop-movies-jurassic-world-2-owen-with-baby-raptor-exclusive/-/A-53620288
https://www.target.com/p/pop-movies-jurassic-park-dilophosaurus-redcard-exclusive/-/A-53411538
I loved this, it was the only time in the film it was used and it was fitting because of the scene that led to it. Owen mentioning beforehand the scene it was used in Jurassic World. It made sense.
Most of the score is wholly new stuff.
All this Dilo talk reminds me again of how wack and lazy the new movies have been with the sound design of the new dinos.
It's crazy to me we essentially haven't gotten a really iconic new roar or vocal since the first JP movie lmao.
Anyway, is anyone playing JW: Alive? Yeah it's a Pokémon Go clone but it's probably the best thing to come out of FK haha.
It's crazy to me we essentially haven't gotten a really iconic new roar or vocal since the first JP movie lmao.
Anyway, is anyone playing JW: Alive? Yeah it's a Pokémon Go clone but it's probably the best thing to come out of FK haha.
Yeah, I've noticed this too. They all sound rather samey. It's specially bad in JW Evolution where pretty much evry single dinosaur has variations of the same roar.
JW: Alive is pretty fun. Pretty sure the dinos have more attack animations than JW: Evolution lololol
Maybe not but JW:E really is lacking in unique dinosaur animations.
Maybe not but JW:E really is lacking in unique dinosaur animations.
I don't entirely agree. I really like the Spinosaur roar. They also made the Raptors more vocal.
Other than that though, I agree.
Fan Fiction about the Indoraptor Origin.
I kinda like it haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDYMkJLP3kw
I kinda like it haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDYMkJLP3kw
DemonCarnotaur Any idea on how the toy sales have been? They seem to be doing good in my area, but I was curious how they've been worldwide.
Would be nice to hear that all the extra effort paid off.
Would be nice to hear that all the extra effort paid off.
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AFAIK quite well
Even after TRU closed and their orders were distributed elsewhere, Mattel has not been able to keep up with demand. I think it's a very good sign.
Sadly, outside of Jurassic Mattel has had a bad year, and their investors may not be happy enough.
Hey guys - saw for the second time yesterday - so many plot issues, apologies if they have already been covered here;
- Location-based mistake: when Maisie goes into the basement the first time and backs around the corner up to the Indoraptor's cage, that same hallway turns into an empty space with a dumbwaiter at the end. Completely threw me when Owen/Claire turned the corner and it was 100% different from how it should be.
- Size-changing dinos: Various dinosaurs that look huge on the island are suddenly small enough to fit into a little underground bunker....umm, ok then.
- Panning shot: When the team are on the island, coming up to the main complex, there is an aerial panning shot with no Brachiosaurus in it, only for them 20 seconds later to have a massive Brachiosaurus right in front of them - wasn't aware they were so fast!
I have a bunch more issues, but those were some that bugged me the most.....any thoughts?
- Location-based mistake: when Maisie goes into the basement the first time and backs around the corner up to the Indoraptor's cage, that same hallway turns into an empty space with a dumbwaiter at the end. Completely threw me when Owen/Claire turned the corner and it was 100% different from how it should be.
- Size-changing dinos: Various dinosaurs that look huge on the island are suddenly small enough to fit into a little underground bunker....umm, ok then.
- Panning shot: When the team are on the island, coming up to the main complex, there is an aerial panning shot with no Brachiosaurus in it, only for them 20 seconds later to have a massive Brachiosaurus right in front of them - wasn't aware they were so fast!
I have a bunch more issues, but those were some that bugged me the most.....any thoughts?
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It's a dumb film with little care out into the reality of it all, sadly... theres a ton more issues as well
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Hopefully they bring him back for the sequel. That would have made me so happy.
Although it dying right away like that would have sucked. Hoping that means there is a bigger plan for it.
Yea, the supplemental material says that but I don't believe them. I'm pretty sure a Spinosaur will be back in the franchise at some point.
DemonCarnotaur brought this up on twitter.
Personally, I'd love to see some darker films. I feel like that shift alone would fix a lot of complaints people have from both camps. Dinosaurs would be more animal than Hero and there's actually be some stakes as opposed to invincible main characters and children.
Personally, I'd love to see some darker films. I feel like that shift alone would fix a lot of complaints people have from both camps. Dinosaurs would be more animal than Hero and there's actually be some stakes as opposed to invincible main characters and children.
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To be fair, when people say darker they often mean really dark. I want more like that opening scene. I don't consider that darker, I just consider it on par with JP and TLW.
I also don't want more of the goofy camp the JW films reek of. But I don't mind the concept of fun throughout - Jurassic Park remains fun, despite the dire situations.
At this point they couldn as a Dino Crisis. I mean, even MonHun is getting a movie. Just expect Mila to play Regina.
I think I'm the only one that didn't like the opening scene too much, the whole Rex randomly appears but they outrun him only to be eaten by the mososaur? A bit too much. We already saw the mososaur do that in Jurassic World so it was unecessary. We also saw the Rex appear at the right time way too many times, in the original movie it happens once in the end and you can suspend disbelief but here it happened with the carnotaur, the ending and kind of in the opening scene. I think the opening scene should've either avoided the Rex or avoided the mososaur.
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I think the reason I like the opening scene is mainly HOW it depicts itself. Conceptually, it's very over the top - but the execution feels tight and real, with some very dramatic filmmaking not about overembellishment with the visual execution.
Plus, the fact that we're there so briefly allows the scene to work, as we don't subconsciously find enough establishing elements that contradict the animals location or behaviors.
On another note... fingers crossed?
Plus, the fact that we're there so briefly allows the scene to work, as we don't subconsciously find enough establishing elements that contradict the animals location or behaviors.
On another note... fingers crossed?
I don't believe anything Colin says lmao.
Didn't he also say FK would drop the military angle?
Or the hybrid dinos?
That the dinos would act more like animals?
Less action movie and more science fiction like the first JP?
I swear he said all of this in between the movies only for FK to basically double down on all of the dumb stuff from JW lmao. I think the only things he kept his word on was the greater amount of animatronics (lol) and that the big action scene is in the middle of the movie.
Didn't he also say FK would drop the military angle?
Or the hybrid dinos?
That the dinos would act more like animals?
Less action movie and more science fiction like the first JP?
I swear he said all of this in between the movies only for FK to basically double down on all of the dumb stuff from JW lmao. I think the only things he kept his word on was the greater amount of animatronics (lol) and that the big action scene is in the middle of the movie.
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Only the bolded, but he implied the military angle would be more downplayed than it was.
I agree that soundbites and promises aren't enough to win me over this time, as I heard the same thing for the past two films, only to have the carpet pulled out last minute. But fingers crossed.
Why you trying to ruin these movies for me.
We need this.
He better not drop the military angle.
I ain't wanting walking with dinosaurs but in america with people.
I'm half joking half serious
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I personally don't see the issue with the military angle.
Like what else is there to do with that much missing assets and such?
You don't just brush all of that and the genetic cloning of dinosaurs under the rug.
Personally, I feel like if you wanted the series to not go into that angle. The series as a whole should have never been about cloning.
If Jurassic Park was about a secret island where Dinosaurs still lived and such. Then I could see the reasoning on being like
"why is there military stuff here?"
But when you have the genetic research, hybrids, and all of those elements. They end up being a big part of things.
Unless you want more fare like Jurassic Park 3 or the IDW comics.
Which wouldn't be bad per se. But then you're really lowering the scope of what could be offered here.
Like what else is there to do with that much missing assets and such?
You don't just brush all of that and the genetic cloning of dinosaurs under the rug.
Personally, I feel like if you wanted the series to not go into that angle. The series as a whole should have never been about cloning.
If Jurassic Park was about a secret island where Dinosaurs still lived and such. Then I could see the reasoning on being like
"why is there military stuff here?"
But when you have the genetic research, hybrids, and all of those elements. They end up being a big part of things.
Unless you want more fare like Jurassic Park 3 or the IDW comics.
Which wouldn't be bad per se. But then you're really lowering the scope of what could be offered here.
Yes, yes I do. Despite all of Jurassic Park 3's problems, it is still my favorite entry in the franchise (for a variety of reasons).
A couple of things really hampered it:
- The script being tossed 5 weeks before shooting. They should have waited for one they were truly happy with. Didn't even finish the script during production.
- Keeping the raptors in the movie besides a cameo. Jurassic Park 3 was about moving on to new, different never before seen things and yet the Raptors and that whole dumb plotline bogs the entire movie down. To me, the Spino parts were mostly great (considering how last minute they were) and the aviary part was great too, and they were new to the franchise! (Although the aviary is straight out of the book).
- Nonsensical character decisions because of the script. Why in the hell did Billy survive?
- Odd cutting. To me, this is most apparent during the Spino river attack with the long shots of the kid on the phone trying to find his mom. That looked like a clear cover up that they did not have enough attack footage.
So yes, I would more than welcome a "new" Jurassic Park 3 that actually tries to change the formula up because I think there is plenty of room to play in that pool. Could have also slow burn mixed in the genetic experimentation angle too.
I actually liked World and Fallen Kingdom, but I do find myself wishing the third movie would strip it back, go smaller and try something different.
There is nothing inherently wrong with bringing back the old dinos. But the new dinos just feel like cameos aside from the hybrids and the Mosasaur. From my view, the old dinos should be the cameos. The T-Rex is no longer impactful because we see so damned much of it.
To me it's Jurassic Park, I absolutely hate the fact that it's now common to see it being called the Jurassic franchise since it takes the Park away from it. I loved the name of Jurassic World because it's a cool name for a park just like Disney World but I didn't expect them to actually make the title literally true in the trilogy.
Chris brought it up in a tweet as well, Jurassic Park isn't DinoRiders but it also isn't Dinotopia. Sure maybe they are limited to what they can do with the Dinosaurs on an island but that's what the franchise is and should be. I don't mind stories being "repetitive", it should stick to what it is, I also don't mind some dinosaurs in the mainland stories like they were hinted at the book but on a smaller scale such a as a thriller of some say Dilophosaurus on a latin american island like the 90s comics told. I really enjoyed Fallen Kingdom but the ending leads us to Jurassic World being literally and I don't like that.
Chris brought it up in a tweet as well, Jurassic Park isn't DinoRiders but it also isn't Dinotopia. Sure maybe they are limited to what they can do with the Dinosaurs on an island but that's what the franchise is and should be. I don't mind stories being "repetitive", it should stick to what it is, I also don't mind some dinosaurs in the mainland stories like they were hinted at the book but on a smaller scale such a as a thriller of some say Dilophosaurus on a latin american island like the 90s comics told. I really enjoyed Fallen Kingdom but the ending leads us to Jurassic World being literally and I don't like that.
Also: I don't find the whole "dinosaurs are loose on the mainland!" thing impactful at all since Lost World already showed how that would play out with the Rex. I still maintain that is the absolute worst addition to the franchise other than the gymnastics raptor bit because it completely undermined any future movie from doing it full scale. And that is absolutely how I felt about Fallen Kingdom, upon seeing the animals released on the mainland, my first instinct was "Oh here we go with the Lost World again"
Yeah it's definitely more military or evil dino crap if that's a thread.
Wouldn't be surprised if some military general finally straps guns to the dinos and it goes full dumb.
And dinos being loose in the mainland is the biggest who fucking cares ever unless we do a time jump after a disease outbreak like PotA. As of right now there's no reason the handful of dinos out in California shouldn't be tracked, captured or killed within a week.
Unless Colin wants to introduce some weird Dino-PETA that starts producing them on a crazy scale to release for some stupid reason.
Wouldn't be surprised if some military general finally straps guns to the dinos and it goes full dumb.
And dinos being loose in the mainland is the biggest who fucking cares ever unless we do a time jump after a disease outbreak like PotA. As of right now there's no reason the handful of dinos out in California shouldn't be tracked, captured or killed within a week.
Unless Colin wants to introduce some weird Dino-PETA that starts producing them on a crazy scale to release for some stupid reason.
Yeah I can't agree. I've felt the series needed to get past the park and island stuff for a long time.
I don't think you can go back to being smaller unless you're really changing large dynamics of the tone and style. Like was earlier discussed.
Like I personally see a lot of parallels with Resident Evil and Jurassic Park. Where there's a hardcore fanbase that want the films smaller and more contained.
But you also have fans who want things to be far bigger in scale. So the two are gonna be butting heads as we continue forward with the franchise.
Now I do agree about the loose-dinos in the mainland aspect. The way that was handled was week. Since the amount brought back from the island definitely isn't large enough that they wouldn't all be hunted.
So if we're getting another film that has a real-time age gap. They'll have to explain either how more dinosaurs showed up or go a different route. That's a whole other conversation though.
I don't think you can go back to being smaller unless you're really changing large dynamics of the tone and style. Like was earlier discussed.
Like I personally see a lot of parallels with Resident Evil and Jurassic Park. Where there's a hardcore fanbase that want the films smaller and more contained.
But you also have fans who want things to be far bigger in scale. So the two are gonna be butting heads as we continue forward with the franchise.
Now I do agree about the loose-dinos in the mainland aspect. The way that was handled was week. Since the amount brought back from the island definitely isn't large enough that they wouldn't all be hunted.
So if we're getting another film that has a real-time age gap. They'll have to explain either how more dinosaurs showed up or go a different route. That's a whole other conversation though.
To be honest, at this point in time I'm not planning on watching JW3.
I really hope Alan and Ellie don't come back in any significant way either.
I really hope Alan and Ellie don't come back in any significant way either.