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Capcom stock down 11.30%, Monster Hunter World sales cited as being a "risk"
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didnt XX have that option to wear an armor for the stats and on top of it wear another one for the visuals??
Capcom's terrible post-launch support and lack of a clear roadmap for future content updates and eventual G-rank isn't surprising. I had a lot of friends who were kind of intrigued by this game back in January but trying to get any of them to buy it now is like pulling teeth. It's a shame because I have over 250 hours in it and I love Monster Hunter.
My first thoughts, I literally furrowed as I saw this thread, lol
Sound like it. They went normal AAA path, get typical AAA front loaded sale trajectory.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Monster Hunter always kind of responsible for being the main source of revenue for Capcom? Like they typically make all of their profit for the year from Monster Hunter and then their other games tend to not do as well? Maybe with the move to more powerful hardware, they didn't make as much of a profit even if the game sold better.
You shouldn't give that much attention to dumb shareholders and their doings. They rarely make sense.
Investors might not be on board with Capcom's competing with western AAA strategy.
I'm not an asshole, you are.
I never played XX, but it seems that World doesn't have that feature (yet?). They're leaving money on the table by not monetizing armor refashion.
Might buy some stocks if they keed dropping. Both DMCV and Resident Evil 2 will do big numbers.
MHW was indeed a sales success (best selling MH game ever) but I guess the question is:
"Was it enough of a success to be worth the time, money and resources to make it?"
For example for the budget that they spent, and in the amount of time it took to make MHW, how many portable games could have been made? Capcom was churning them out yearly before. So if MHW2 (or whatever the next thing is) costs 2 times as much as a portable entry, and takes 2 years to make. It would have to sell more than double what a yearly portable entry would need to sell. Or make up the game with desirable DLC to sell in between.
I'm not privy to all the sales info, I guess only Capcom would know. But maybe that's what spooked the investors.
(EDIT: Was mistaken about the Tomb Raider thing)
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I think people don't know much how these things work. These snark reactions (not yours, but many others in this thread) pretty much show that.
It's not that expectations stay the same all the time; instead, they are updated and revised every time something relevant happens.
At the moment, investors don't have the same expectations on MHW and Capcom plans they had had before launch when the only reference point was MH on 3DS.
Once a game sells 8m+ units surpassing many's expectations, investors naturally revise their forecasts. From being a relatively small franchise in the West, MH turned out to be a franchise comparable to many AAA Western IPs. Being a game focused on online and co-op, and with such a big installed base, growth and sustainability over time become key elements on which to judge the company's performance and plans.
Nowadays, MHW is not judged as a single-player/mostly local co-op game or as a successful game on a platform that can't grow the franchise much---MHW is judged as a GaaS with a lot of potential given how much it sold. And it seems Capcom is not able to satisfy these expectations. Whether it's reasonable or not doesn't matter: that's how investors are reasoning.
Nay SE didn't lose money over Tomb Raider, they just found the sales unsatisfactory. They never find anything satisfactory.
Honestly, these companies are in a pretty healthy position. Especially Capcom which had a great year and was in a pretty weak position a decade ago (Nintendo has always been fine really).
Just, because of a drop in stock price (which doesn't directly impact the firm). We are suddenly going to act like that Capcom isn't doing well.
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Yeah, Capcom. You really fucked up. All I got was 400 hours of incredible, solid, multiplayer bliss about of this $60 game. LAZY DEVS GOSH
Someone who plays Monster Hunter all year round is going to buy next year's Monster Hunter; someone who plays Monster Hunter for a few weeks, is at risk to move on to something else. It's a legitimate risk that these new casual fans will come back, meanwhile the series is in a decline with their core user base; because they believe the lack of legs provides evidence that the series is cooling... In reality, I believe that Capcom's move away from the platform that they had brought the series to and the expected platform that would take over, had stranded fans outside of their new game. Capcom should have served both these new customers and the previous ones, whether that means being more open about their plans for Monster Hunter on the Switch would have helped them. Had they of made a unique game for the Switch or even 3DS this year, it would have helped them.
Also, Japan isn't looking at the PS4 or future home console as a dominate platform, so I'm sure the sale slowdown is more worrying because they announced that they weren't supporting Switch (the dominate Japan platform) with their premium experience for the series, if they had announced MH5 on Switch, or a port, I doubt we'd be seeing this worry, instead Capcom said flatout that a port wasn't coming and that they don't feel that they should make a MH for everyone, but rather keep their premium experience from the market leader. Yes MHW is the best selling Capcom game ever, but do you really think MHW2 will have the casual players back? That is their worry.
Lastly, a MHW port could only improve sales, and bringing the series to every platform in 1 game now that MHW has established a new market, would solidify future sales of the series, what they will lose in sales for MHW's sequel, would likely be covered and expanded by the Switch audience, especially in Japan, where it is likely to have 10 Million units around the time of a Sequel next year.
Curious to see what their G-rank plans are. Normally they'd sell this update as a stand-alone release, but I'm not sure if that would accepted very much by World's audience. They could package it as an DLC update, but that would affect the price, and the lack of legs makes me question how many people would jump back in for G rank. The lack of legs also makes me wonder how well a World 2 would do.
Also true. World's biggest costs have already been made, and a successor could recycle a lot, but even taking that into account, it's still going to be significantly more expensive than the handheld entries.
It is worthwhile to remember that a stock valuation has no relation to how much you like a company. Stock price is a simple calculation by investors of how much they think they can sell said shares of stock to someone else. As 25an mentioned the stock is still nearly 200% up over its 52 week low from July 2017. This 11% drop is merely a market correction as slightly more savvy investors realize that Capcom doesn't have the capacity to keep producing a Monster Hunter: World-like success every quarter.
No one who is selling thinks Capcom as a company is doomed. More likely their held position has doubled and they view it as a time to cash out.
No one who is selling thinks Capcom as a company is doomed. More likely their held position has doubled and they view it as a time to cash out.
If FFXV made a profit since day 1 (which sold 5 million) then we can be sure MHW did too unless you think MHW cost more than XV to make? They also aren't dropping the portable series.
What lol? They've been on a winning streak for a few years now outside of Marvel vs Capcom Infinite. (even though everything ive heard makes it seem like Marvel was more of the reason why)
SF5 is a lot better, RE7 was great. DMC5 and RE2 Remake next year, MHW was critically acclaimed and is their biggest game ever, MH Generations Switch coming west in August, Megaman 11 and remasters of all the X titles + Switch ports for OG Megman's, Consistently great PC ports.
Think this is about investors, is not about what we players got out of the game or how much of a good value the game was. A modern console online co-op focused needs a strong service model to keep the players base engaged to maintain sales and monetization.
I really doubt the full price expansion G model could work as well in this day an age.
The investors are probably salty it didn't have the legs of the Nintendo Monhuns AND the initial sales it got combined, that's how investors are.
As someone who bought MHW day one and loved it, I played it non stop for two months and did absolutely everything: platinum trophy, all giant crowns, all miniature crowns, all optional quests completed, all endemic life found, HR over 100, every Palico armour set crafter, every hunter armour set crafted, every R7+ weapon crafted (in the types that I use), all decorations that I actually wanted had dropped (yes even protective polish!) and I had come to the end of what I could do with the game.
When they added Deviljho it was a couple of days hunting him for new weapons, armour and the crowns, then all done. Then they brought out the Kulve siege so I jumped back on and farmed it to get the weapons and the armour, took a couple of days and then I was done. Same situation for Lunastra and the arch tempered elders. All the new content is essentially end game (so not suitable for any new/middling players) but also not something that will keep end game players entertained for long. I think that is the issue. They aren't adding enough to keep people playing, and what they do add is completable very quickly.
I love that monsters were added for free, I love all the free events, I hate to sound like I'm complaining, but I feel like as a player I would be happier to have bought a "monster pass" for a new permanent monster added every two weeks, to keep the game fresh and exciting, instead of huge gaps between the free content.
I think a lot of people don't even bother going back to the game for just one monster.
When they added Deviljho it was a couple of days hunting him for new weapons, armour and the crowns, then all done. Then they brought out the Kulve siege so I jumped back on and farmed it to get the weapons and the armour, took a couple of days and then I was done. Same situation for Lunastra and the arch tempered elders. All the new content is essentially end game (so not suitable for any new/middling players) but also not something that will keep end game players entertained for long. I think that is the issue. They aren't adding enough to keep people playing, and what they do add is completable very quickly.
I love that monsters were added for free, I love all the free events, I hate to sound like I'm complaining, but I feel like as a player I would be happier to have bought a "monster pass" for a new permanent monster added every two weeks, to keep the game fresh and exciting, instead of huge gaps between the free content.
I think a lot of people don't even bother going back to the game for just one monster.
Probably didn't help that it didn't impact the PS4 hardware sales on the mid-long term in the end if they're looking at Japan.
But yeah, investors will always keep expecting better and better even if it's impossible.
Things is, on the PSP and 3DS, whenever there was a boost in hardware sales in Japan, there would also be a bump in sales for the most recent MonHun, this doesn't seem to be happening MH:W. Probably does not help that the specs for MH:W on PC are so high for the average PC gamer.
I'm guessing this is similar to the Nintendo stock "risks" where it fluctuates all the time. Capcom's revenue has been going up year on year and with MHW being their highest selling game ever (with PC release selling more) I think they are doing just fine.
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I'm gonna come out with this hot take and say that the next Monster Hunter will underperform on XBO and PS4. Purely anecdotal, but so many people I know played MHW but had never even given previous Monster Hunter games a second look. I don't hear them talking about it anymore so I'm gonna guess it was a fluke. I think it was marketed well but isn't going to penetrate western markets in the long term.
This.
The problem is that a lot of knee-jerk posters and console warriors on here always gladly conflate company stock going down with "it's just investors fucking over Nintendo because they aren't getting that quick buck" or "lol, Capcom is trash and is dying" etc. Even people that are commoners in stock, sales threads continually shock me with their ineptitude because of their biased view/preconception of these gaming companies.
I tried to explain this to people in the Nintendo stock thread but people weren't having it.
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Yeah Basically they are burning World for their lack of Legs...
I can see the point that it might not retain the player base and they have not been able to capitalise yet on the GAAS system since all the updates have been free.
However, if they have a G rank expansion planned for the near future I think they will do great.
Completely agree. I think that Capcom avoiding a portable Switch version as well as not giving players more of a reason to keep playing MHW are some of the biggest mistakes that they've made.
Why would you want to keep your money in something that is going to lose value according to the owners of the company?
There are a couple of layered sets that have been earnable through events Sabi & Homare through the Spring Blossom
Festival, Brigade from Lunastra, Blossom from Arch tempered Kirin (and one samurai layered set that came with the deluxe version.) but that's it. It seems they've been holding it as a reward for going back to the game and participating in new events, rather than just selling them.
MHW being more front loaded than the previous entries is a good thing. It's better for the game to be front loaded and sell when it's full price than have legs and sell at a discounted price.
I was pretty hyped for MHW for PC. However they should have released the PC port around the same time as consoles. My interest has completely died off and I wont be getting it. Especially in the light of the recent news that its exactly the same game with no PC enhancements and its running Denuvo. Perhaps I am not the only one?
I expect RE2 remake to break some of their records when it comes to sales and then we have DMCV and Mega Man 11 too. Next couple years are looking bright.
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