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Starbucks is eliminating plastic straws from all stores
- Thread starter Enzom21
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1. I read it.
2. I don't think Starbucks thinks or cares that much about most customers unless it affects image or bottom line.
I can still voice my disdain for this after reading it. I still do not like this trend, I still find it regressive.
Ridiculous. If you are so disabled that you cannot put a straw in a bag then you will have a carer who can. We are talking about people who have wheelchairs, crutches, medication... but can't stretch to a straw? It's a weak, weak argument.
I don't know what to tell you. You are being offered a wealth of knowledge that contradicts your preconceived notions and you are actively deciding to not reconsider your views. Anti-intellectualism is a disease.
It's not bloody anti intellectualism. Anti environmentalists trying to use the disabled to hamper the progress of helping the environment is pretty horrible to me. I read the article and the argument is weak. That is not anti intellectualism. You can still bring a bendy plastic straw to Starbucks if you need one. They haven't become illegal.
that's roll out, which i don't find interesting. i'm talking about when this announcement was made, today. they're like a decade late to this. they probably waited for the prices to go down, when they could have been instrumental in making it go down in the first place.
Even with plastic straws, using them with hot drinks is a really stupid idea. It's extremely dangerous to slurp up hot drinks with a straw, and Starbucks will not give you a straw with any hot drinks today.
Yes, I'm absolutely serious.
Disabled customers and others with any sort of special needs undoubtedly make up a significant portion of Starbucks' customer base. Big corporations like Starbucks regularly use consultants who know how to design their stores and systems specifically to ensure that customers with all sorts of different special needs can easily navigate their stores, buy their merchandise, and use their products.
The idea that Starbucks would institute such a massive change across the world, and not take those customers into consideration, is extremely unlikely.
https://news.starbucks.com/views/Starbucks-Commitment-to-Access-and-Disability-Inclusion
Wow, pretty awesome.
I used to always bring my own cup into Starbucks because you got a discount and it kept my drink colder (or hotter) longer. But then when they introduced the mobile app and online ordering, I basically stopped doing that entirely... the convenience of having my drink already made, skipping the line, and just walking out with it trumped the cost savings and (ashamedly) my eco-consciousness.
I used to always bring my own cup into Starbucks because you got a discount and it kept my drink colder (or hotter) longer. But then when they introduced the mobile app and online ordering, I basically stopped doing that entirely... the convenience of having my drink already made, skipping the line, and just walking out with it trumped the cost savings and (ashamedly) my eco-consciousness.
Ice coffee isn't hot. The context is with people who say they want to use straws with hot drinks. Which is a really dumb idea.
Who drinks hot anything with a plastic straw to begin with? I can only imagine how long the plastic would sit in the cup before it started melting.
That was painful to watch. I just couldn't after the turtle started bleeding.
Is this what concern trolling looks like?
How is caring about the environment regressive? Even if you don't like their straws you can just get a reusable one.
This is not an either or situation and you shouldn't be making it into one. You are clearly operating off of very low information regarding accessibility for people with disabilities (and straws for that matter) if you a) think that people with severe disabilities are somehow guaranteed a caretaker, and b) reusable straws somehow don't need to be washed.
There are paper and compostable flexible straws, which this article seems to gloss over. If the concern is that paper straws can't be used with hot drinks then "waiting until the drink isn't hot but just warm which people do anyway with straws" is an acceptable trade off to help save the environment.
I'm going to pretend that Resetera is part of a pilot program suddenly giving memberships to people who have never been part of message boards before.
Starbucks has a lot of faults but for 'mega successful corporate overlord' they're one of the most socially responsible in the galaxy of evil corporations there to steal our souls. In the case of disabled people, it is right in the article, it's something they're cognoscente of.
Starbucks is also one of the best employers of people with special needs. The Am. Association of People with Disabilities rates them 100/100 on their 'Disability Equality Index,' the highest a company can score.
I know we always have to be cynics all the time, but this is not only part of their social mission, but it's also just good business. Sometimes, business success and your moral compass can point in the same direction.
It seems like disingenuous outrage.
What percentage of Starbucks customers are low-income disabled people who aren't able to use a paper straw, AND not manage a reusable plastic straw BUT are simultaneously independent enough that they can visit a Starbucks without a helper or caretaker?
There are other articles out there. Try this one, it's written by a disabled person who is also an environmental activist.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/09/disabled-person-plastic-straws-baby-wipes
People who require a straw to drink boiling hot water/coffee bring their own reusable plastic straws because those things are made for high-temperature liquids, and it lessens the chance of burning your tongue/mouth and it also decreases the likelihood of plastic chemicals being melted into your drink. Plus whatever straw they bring, it's designed for their specific needs.
Like, if they absolutely need a straw...you think they just depended on Starbucks all these years to provide ones for them? You think that their straw requirements in terms of length, width, and ease of use just magically always fit perfectly with those fat green frap ones from Starbucks?
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"Not as a luxury. I need straws that bend, ones that can handle all drinks, including medication, and all temperatures. I need straws that aren't too fat, that won't cause me to choke or be difficult for me to keep in my mouth."
I can't remember the last restaurant I went to that offered bendy straws. Starbucks ones are firm. And pretty damn fat.
In other words, this person is already bringing their own straws if they require bendy ones.
"Starbucks to not offer free plastic straws" isnt the same as "anyone seen with a straw will be shot on sight"
Even worse, this op-ed goes on about how essential disposable wipes are. Huh? The issue is when theyre flushed. Why cant Penny throw them in the wastebasket?
Public restrooms maybe? That's the only situation I can think of.
Does Starbucks sell bendy straws that this person requires? Do disabled people rely exclusively on restaurants to provide them bendy straws and they don't have their own straws? This article doesn't clarify.
I've never seen a Starbucks store carry bendy straws before.
Either way people with disabilities manage to a. Find their way to Starbucks b. Order Starbucks so they must either have the ability to get there and order independently in which case carrying and later washing a straw isn't much of an ask. Or if they don't have the ability to do a and b alone then they must have a carer, who will be bringing far more equipment for their needs than just a bendy straw, so again it's not much of a stretch.
Starbucks doesn't provide wheelchairs. Or hearing aids. Or crutches. If people of specific needs require equipment for their daily life's needs, the onus is not on Starbucks to provide that.
Finally, bendy plastic straws that don't need to be washed are not illegal. Buy a pack of 500 and bring those and then chuck them. The point of all this is to cut down on 1 billion straws wasted by the general public in Starbucks, that's all. A few 100,000 brought by disabled people won't hurt that aim.
I just got a refillable cup for Dunkin Donuts after I realized how many cups I was going through each week.
Also, I detest the online orderers who just make my in-store order take longer, so I've sort of vowed to myself never to do that, mostly out of hardheadedness but now also out of eco-consciousness.
I've recently started using washable metal straws and for someone who sometimes lacks fine motor control... It's not a great idea. Not to mention that in hot drinks the heat transfers to the straw.
Paper and cardboard straws are shit, they fall apart and make the drink taste awful.
At the moment I'm sticking with metal straws but I've already cut my bottom lip on one so I don't know what to do, maybe see if I can get metal straws with rubber protective tips over the ends.
Paper and cardboard straws are shit, they fall apart and make the drink taste awful.
At the moment I'm sticking with metal straws but I've already cut my bottom lip on one so I don't know what to do, maybe see if I can get metal straws with rubber protective tips over the ends.
I already carry enough shit around due to my disability, a few straws can't hurt right?
Urgh.
Basically if wherever I am doesn't have straws and me/my wife/friends forget straws I'm SOL.
Um, very no. This is a real issue that a lot of people are genuinely concerned about right now.
If a straw is an essential thing for you to survive, why is it something so minor to be forgotten?
https://www.amazon.com/Klean-Kantee...d=1531173653&sr=8-26&keywords=reusable+straws
You might have some luck with the straws I linked just above this quote. It's a metal straw still, but includes flexible silicone toppers.
Starbucks in Animal Kingdom at Disney World always used the paper straws. I like them better actually.
This is a good step but a very small step.
Anyone who cares about the environment should stop eating fish:
And meat.
Thought this said constitutional at first...
It's been a long day.
