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SugarNoodles

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Dear lord you are doing fine if you've already arrived at this point at the age of 20. Capacity for self reflection will take you far. It may not feel like things are getting better but your perspective will eventually clear up and you'll look back and say "remember when I was like THAT?"

Looking back on the things I thought about myself when I was 20.... yeesh. One foot in front of the other.
 
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Have you tried learning some skill, or building something that has nothing to do with competition? Gardening, cooking, building things as a hobby, etc. Part of maintaining your self esteem is knowing that you have other shit going on even if you fail at something that you care about. If it's all dumped into one bucket you're going to go nuts over that single aspect of your life.
Drawing, but like I said I tend to turn everything into something I have to win. I started drifting away from it because I kept comparing my art to that of those who are way more skilled and even younger and then I just end up feeling like shit
 
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Oh...you have a long journey of maturity ahead of you. I wouldn't get too bent out of shape, you just need to learn to accept the fact being good at video games (or board games) is not an important life skill and nobody but you cares about how good you are.
I know, and that's probably I put myself down so much. Because I'm failing at the things I expect myself to do well at.
 

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Drawing, but like I said I tend to turn everything into something I have to win. I started drifting away from it because I kept comparing my art to that of those who are way more skilled and even younger and then I just end up feeling like shit

Having been there, you really don't want to do that with your art. It never completely goes away, but it's a lot more important to compete against your past work instead of the current work of others.

Honestly, everything is like that. You're pretty young and this is a good time to branch out and try shit you haven't yet. Latch onto stuff you enjoy and just focus on getting better one day at a time.

Sculpting is dope and really relaxing by the way. It feels a lot different than drawing and it's very satisfying to work with your hands. Give it a try!
 
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I think online has ruined fighting games for many people.

Back in the day you played with your friends and a couple other people at most, and you could improve and see a difference. Local play is so much more fun.
 
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I think online has ruined fighting games for many people.

Back in the day you played with your friends and a couple other people at most, and you could improve and see a difference. Local play is so much more fun.
I thought locals were more fun to go until I reached the point where I realized I was the worst person there and me being there was just holding some people back
 

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So basically, no weed, no sports and you're fun at parties?

I don't really have a suggestion - I don't smoke weed myself, but I think it's one of the advices people give here that could actually... well, help.

As for fighting games I do have a suggestion even though I think you won't like it, but it's the only way.

You can't play to win, then you already lost, you have to play to improve. Make small goals, like "3 throws in one match"... "1 parry per round"... "land a certain juggle or combo during a match" and so on.
That way it's easier to have a good feeling because you succeeded in something and actually winning becomes less important.


I have a win % of like 98 in my favorite fighting game btw - and it took a very, very long time (3 years, every day 5+ hours) but it was fun to get there. Now if I lose I mostly find it funny - and yes I still get mad, but it's rare and is over after like 30 seconds lol.

Also, another tip for fighting games : never ever underestimate your opponent. Just don't.
 
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I don't really have a suggestion - I don't smoke weed myself, but I think it's one of the advices people give here that could actually... well, help.

I am not about to start doing drugs in order to have fun, I think that would be the point where I wouldn't be able to live with myself. I've met people who smoke weed on nearly a daily basis and they're all the worst people I've met in my life.
 

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I am not about to start doing drugs in order to have fun, I think that would be the point where I wouldn't be able to live with myself. I've met people who smoke weed on nearly a daily basis and they're all the worst people I've met in my life.
Ok. But what others have said is still true, it's really completely meaningless if your good at games, sure it gives a nice feeling - but basically it's like a drug in itself (dopamine kick) and doesn't improve you're every day life.
 

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OP, from this point on, start writing everytime you felt like you lost in this thread. Because of your upbringing, losses feel crushing for you. But we can be here for you to support and you put those losses in perspective. It might be hard for your to deal with by yourself, so let us help you deal with it.

Go lose on purpose right now at something. Post it here. Let's talk about it.
 

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Welcome to being human. People get irritated and or mad when they don't succeed. Just got to accept that you're not gonna win everytime and you'll learn from mistakes. Losing doesn't make anyone less valuable.

I used to have problems with it, but the way I fixed it was to step back and look at how important the situation is. If it's a video game for example I don't really gain anything winning or losing, so I just don't care either way. People get mad at me when they play chess or stuff with me and I just give up. I don't really care to win or lose and accept whatever happens cause it doesn't really impact my life one way or another. More than anything, I hate having my time wasted, so that's when I get irritated or mad nowadays. That's why I will quit a game with someone (not online obviously) mid game cause I feel like it's a waste of my time and prolonging the inevitable of losing or winning.
 

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I just want to say, as an unnoteworthy person of no substance, and considering the complex circumstances to which I do not claim to have any answers, I am inclined to ask:

Have you tried smoking some weed?
 
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OP, from this point on, start writing everytime you felt like you lost in this thread. Because of your upbringing, losses feel crushing for you. But we can be here for you to support and you put those losses in perspective. It might be hard for your to deal with by yourself, so let us help you deal with it.

Go lose on purpose right now at something. Post it here. Let's talk about it.
Alright, I just booted up Bloodborne and let myself get killed right away, now what?
 

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Drawing, but like I said I tend to turn everything into something I have to win. I started drifting away from it because I kept comparing my art to that of those who are way more skilled and even younger and then I just end up feeling like shit
Dude, you're way too hard on yourself. Your art is much better than you're giving yourself credit for. You've got talent, don't go squandering it by giving up!
 

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I'm competitive when it comes to sports -- I enjoy competition and winning. I can still have fun with social activities, be it small things like mini-golf, beer pong, or bowling with friends. If I'm not competing against them, then I compete against myself. I set a goal for myself to achieve and do that. I play to win and it is tough for me to just take it easy and not try because I feel that if I'm not trying then what is the point, so I set myself a target to reach.
 

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Have lots of Sex, I'm sure the other person won't mind if you come first.

Jokes aside though it's good excercise and can boost your mood
 
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No, because I didnt try at all or put any effort forward
If you are allowing it to happen, then it isn't really a loss right? If you want to confront the frustration then bringing it out is important. I suppose earlier I should have said I meant putting yourself in a situation where you will rarely win, and try as hard as you can regardless, rather than losing on purpose, which isn't frustrating.
 
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I hope you get these feeling resolved OP, but I bet I could kick your butt at Soul Calibre. Hands down put money on it and swear on me mum I am nigh unbeatable at that game.
 

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Man, reading this was like looking in a mirror. I still cringe thinking about some of my posts in the dbzf discord and ot. Sorry guys!
 

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I used to think that if I only tried harder that I would be the best at anything to which I applied myself. It was an ego thing. It was as early as high school that I started to notice this wasn't the case. I didn' fully realize it until multiple friendly competitions in many different things, raquetball, board games, hosting parties, etc; that it is ok not to be the best at something. People who are your friends do not expect you to be be great at everything. Playing a game often times is just an excuse to spend time with people you love or with people who could become new friends.
 

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Have you tried smoking some weed?

Worst advice ever considering it is considered illegal in most parts of the world, so you are actually encouraging people to potentially breaking laws?

To OP, whenever I lost in gaming or any setbacks, I forced myself to smile and it sort of help to suppress anger and forget what just happened.
 
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Strangely enough, watching people who have a good attitude toward losing cured me of my ultra-competitive mindset. Losing still pisses me off sometimes, but nothing like it used to.

Check out fighting game player Aris and Halo player Holmbolm.
 

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Worst advice ever considering it is considered illegal in most parts of the world, so you are actually encouraging people to potentially breaking laws?

To OP, whenever I lost in gaming or any setbacks, I forced myself to smile and it sort of help to suppress anger and forget what just happened.

Yes to breaking laws, no to bottling it all up inside as you seem to be suggesting.
 

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Try mindfulness and meditation. When you start feeling this way, turn off all electronics, sit somewhere comfortable, and take some time to just be with yourself and talk with yourself about this.

I have a similar problem when my anxiety gets too high and the only cure I've found is unplugging from everything and teaching myself to breath again.

Worst advice ever considering it is considered illegal in most parts of the world, so you are actually encouraging people to potentially breaking laws?

Na, it's very good advice potentially. Weed can help a lot with issues like these.
 

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I feel you OP, I have some similar issues. My SO and her family love board games but I can't handle a defeat. Makes me totally pissed and ashamed for behaving like a child.

But I have found some strategies for a work-around. First of all we play more games where you have to team up like The Legend of Andor. Still not my favourite game but at least I don't mind losing in a PVE-Game because everyone loses or wins together.

Furthermore I also team up with my SO in almost any board game when we play with her family (when I say team up I mean we play with the same cards/figures/dices and not that we play seperately but together to have an advantage [hope that makes any sense]) They know that I'm really bad at losing and that it helps me when I have a partner to play with. As far as I can tell it's a good compromise for everyone because they don't want to exclude me and I don't want to ruin their fun.

This helped me alot and every now and then I can even play on my own and lose without losing my temper. Still hate that feeling but I think I'm making some good progress.

The thing with the self-esteem others mentioned ITT totally applies to me BTW and I'm in therapy too.
 

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That's nasty. Do your very best and be okay it was your very best and that people are better. Life doesn't revolve around you.
I also always want to win i always try to improve. Some people are simply better. Not being able to deal with defeat in any way makes you very uncomfortable to live with or to be friends with.
 
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The next time you're actually trying at something and fail, instead of letting it weigh on you, just come dump it here. And we'll talk about it.

Everyone fails. Not everyone has someone to talk to about their failures.
Welp, I'm back after losing a number of sets in DragonBall Fighter Z. I just feel like garbage and I couldn't enjoy it all. The few times I won felt great, but everytime I lost that fun felt invalidated. The worst part is when people send me messages saying I was really good, even though I lost, which feels so condescending and backhanded. A lot of times I also end up crying because I keep losing to my stupid fucking mistakes and I know they're my own fault.
 

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Welp, I'm back after losing a number of sets in DragonBall Fighter Z. I just feel like garbage and I couldn't enjoy it all. The few times I won felt great, but everytime I lost that fun felt invalidated. The worst part is when people send me messages saying I was really good, even though I lost, which feels so condescending and backhanded. A lot of times I also end up crying because I keep losing to my stupid fucking mistakes and I know they're my own fault.

Glad you posted.

I think that with fighting games especially, many people hate losing, and the mindset to "enjoy losing" is very rare. So don't feel bad that you can't enjoy losing, for the most part no one enjoys losing.

Whats important to realize is that no one gets a 100% win rate right? Maybe start keeping a scoreboard of your W/L ratio. If you have 2 wins and 1 loss, maybe that 1 loss isn't such a big deal anymore, because that translates to a 66% WR. If you're winning more than you're losing, there's no reason to feel like your accomplishments are being invalidated imo. And if you start losing a lot and have a poor winrate, you're going to get tilted and thats when you have to turn off the game and take a breather before you end up in tears.

Also, you can play good and still lose. That's just reality. It might be tough to accept, but that's what happens when you face someone better than you. Maybe accepting the compliments at face value would be easier if you practice complimenting people that you beat if you think they played well.
 
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Hey OP,
Losing doesn't make you a loser. When you lose, you are not worthless. Your performance in a game doesn't define who you are.
Working on your self esteem should be a priority.
 
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I play to win when gaming. Can't help it. The worst are games of chance that have skill involved. Like cataan or something like that. You know, I've got a sound strategy but every roll hurts me more. Those are the ones that the rage builds in...also I just stopped playing fighting games.
 

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Welp, I'm back after losing a number of sets in DragonBall Fighter Z. I just feel like garbage and I couldn't enjoy it all. The few times I won felt great, but everytime I lost that fun felt invalidated. The worst part is when people send me messages saying I was really good, even though I lost, which feels so condescending and backhanded. A lot of times I also end up crying because I keep losing to my stupid fucking mistakes and I know they're my own fault.

You need to adjust your expectations. When you have expectations beyond your level of skill that results in frustration, and frustration leads to quitting ('I don't have the ability to achieve the outcome I want, why bother?').

Nobody enjoys losing, but not everyone sees the same things as a win or a loss. Seeing success merely as the victory screen being displayed is limiting. A healthier approach is to see success as progress - a win just shows that the challenge you faced matched your level of skill.

Approach things valuing the attempt, seeking and recognizing progress. What were the biggest components in your loss? Is there a way you can improve? "I was able hit _ low attacks that match. How can I hit more?". If you do that it's progress, and success is comprised of progress.
 
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A lot of times I also end up crying because I keep losing to my stupid fucking mistakes and I know they're my own fault.
This isn't normal behavior for an adult, but it's good that you at least recognize that and are looking to improve.

If you want more self confidence, you need to work towards that person you want to be, even if slowly. Working out helps a lot, just in terms of mindset, posture, and a general good feeling.

Keep your house clean. A cluttered house can be toxic and stressful in a way that's not immediately obvious.

It might be best to put away those hobbies that induce these negative feelings while you work on self-improvement.

Has your therapist not recommended strategies for improving your self confidence?
 

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For the past few years I've been the opposite of that really, I haven't been bothered by losing at all and I even would purposefully lose a lot of the time.
 
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This isn't normal behavior for an adult, but it's good that you at least recognize that and are looking to improve.

If you want more self confidence, you need to work towards that person you want to be, even if slowly. Working out helps a lot, just in terms of mindset, posture, and a general good feeling.

Keep your house clean. A cluttered house can be toxic and stressful in a way that's not immediately obvious.

It might be best to put away those hobbies that induce these negative feelings while you work on self-improvement.

Has your therapist not recommended strategies for improving your self confidence?
I end up crying because I know my losses are a direct reflection of my value as a person.
 
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You need to adjust your expectations. When you have expectations beyond your level of skill that results in frustration, and frustration leads to quitting ('I don't have the ability to achieve the outcome I want, why bother?').

Nobody enjoys losing, but not everyone sees the same things as a win or a loss. Seeing success merely as the victory screen being displayed is limiting. A healthier approach is to see success as progress - a win just shows that the challenge you faced matched your level of skill.

Approach things valuing the attempt, seeking and recognizing progress. What were the biggest components in your loss? Is there a way you can improve? "I was able hit _ low attacks that match. How can I hit more?". If you do that it's progress, and success is comprised of progress.
I think this is honestly what I should do. I just have trouble quitting. I know I wont be the best so the fact I'm putting effort towards this is embarrassing
 

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I have this issue too and it definitely relates to setting high expectations for yourself.

Weird in my case because I don't know where that came from. My parents were great, supportive but not pushing.
 

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Chip up, OP. You are doing great by just acknowledging this is a problem and wanting to fix it. At 20 too! That is great! I was a mess at 20 as a lot of people are. You are certainly more proactive than I was.

Expand your horizons beyond simply being good at games. Try new things. Go for a hike. Go see a concert of a band you like. Go try some new food. Pick up a musical hobby. Try photography. Take some interesting classes at college. Read more books. Get rid of your clutter. Reorangize your surroundings. Invest in your future. What do you have to lose?

I used to be a terrible sore loser at games too. Like you I defined my self worth a surface level things like being good at games. Now, I just play games for fun! I don't care about winning or losing.

You are seeing a therapist which is great. Listen to them and branch out your interests. It will get so much better if you do this. Don't make excuses. I made excuses for years and wished that I didn't. You live and learn.

I am significantly happier than I ever was at 20. One foot in front of the other. It can and will get better if you continue to be proactivce and self reflective. You got this!
 
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