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Kotaku: GW2 writers fired after Twitter argument. GG pressured firing.
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This post is incredibly misleading, disingenuous, and needlessly inflammatory. You really sold your argument there.
so again, the idea that it's worse to say that sexism has happened somewhere in the world than to actually harass someone and get them fired
If people gets so angry about someone critcizing something that is very preeminent on the industry as a whole, and they act like a mob towards that person, chances are that they are exactly what is being criticized.
Sure, I agree there but you see that everywhere not just on gaming communities.
A dev telling you to fuck off is one thing, and like you said, happens all the time. A dev pulling out the gender card, accusing an Anet partner of being a sexist, ontop of insulting the entire community is a different beast.
The point is that they get "away" with it.
You're part of the games industry, shouldn't you be on the same side as your peers and colleagues?
If Gamergate was pressing them, then Gamergate was pressuring them, regardless of whether you think it's justified or not.
The tweet from the partner is sexist. It's casual sexism instead of overt sexism, but it's still sexism. Correctly pointing that out shouldn't be grounds for being fired.
I don't if there is a worse, more ill-informed hot take on this forum than your post. Literally nothing you just said is based in reality.
I've just felt like I've seen many posts that are implying that him offering his feedback, in itself, was condescending and wrong and I think I've ever seen people say he can't be a feminist for it.
I'm really fucking conflicted about that idea. On one hand you can be a professional in writing like you can be at anything else, but on the other hand it's about a video game that is dynamically changing and the person who's giving feedback is someone your company is officially affiliated with as a content creator. I'm unsure if in creative arts, your (layman) audience's feedback has more value than in a technical field, or if it can be dismissed in much the same way.
I mean, it's bloody feedback and a respectful request for discussion, but on the other hand a professional not wanting to discuss the technicals with an ameteur is also sensible.
You open a public account on Twitter, state that you work for a game developer, and start interacting with its players — you're customer-facing, regardless of whether it's in your job description.
(If you're trying to make a point about how you don't owe random people your time, especially when you're on holiday, I'm not sure why you were posting on July 4 in the first place.)
Reminds me of people who'd publicly post their work on DeviantArt and get upset when people made critiques. Why the hell did you share your work if you're not interested in feedback? There are offline or online private diaries and blogs and portfolios.
The simple solution is not to engage. If you're broadcasting on a public platform, I don't think any reasonable person can have an expectation that they won't get shout backs or that the default position is "I never want to hear any feedback."
Reminds me of people who'd publicly post their work on DeviantArt and get upset when people made critiques. Why the hell did you share your work if you're not interested in feedback? There are offline or online private diaries and blogs and portfolios.
how many female ceos are there, and to what extent is that proportion indicative of structural sexism?
Are we reading the same tweets
Nothing he said was sexist. Again, feel free to quote the tweets and point out the sexist part the streamer made. This is the internet you can use Paint and circle things.
Yep. It could have been a one-off incident but Anet cowed to a mob.
It's a joke that he blocks people. People make accounts to be blocked by Kamiya. He also does not block people for their politics or simply disagreeing, except for those people who make a point to want to be blocked by him. So that takes the antagonism away, at least on the other party's end.
"I won't play demure for you" (likely referencing her, uh, tendency to not exactly speak nicely) comes off as antagonistic off the bat. Making it clear that she won't walk around eggshells.
It's indeed a thin line but I'd say there's more differences between the two than "man / woman" or "employee / employer".
I can get behind the argument that it was a panic-firing.
BUT! How in the hell is this an organized harassment campaign in any shape and form, from the start of Deroirs tweet to the firing not even 24 hours later?
Arenanet had issues with looking like they don't care about their community and are not in phase with their fans for ages. So when a BIG influential Streamer/Youtuber, content-creator, Arenanet-partner with an ingame NPC named after him, gets called a "rando" that just proves the point for many GW2 fans.
It is very unfair to expect that all Arenanet employees have to know the big "influencers" of their game, but it probably played a part in her firing. In the eyes of the fans and the higher-ups she just "proved" that Arenanet doesn't care about their fanbase.
Until the firings, this was an internal GW2 story and only after that did it get noticed by the rest of the world.
Can't say I'm surprised given her history of being toxic towards people who disagree with her. Firing her might have been a bit much, but it's not really my place to say. GG trying to take credit for this is so pathetic and of course people are buying into it.
The title makes it seem like it is fact. It is not. We have no idea if they reacted to GamerGate and not just fired her over employee breaches.
I love how some people defend a person who used a "well he is critical about my work so I'll call him a sexist". Accusation like this can destroy his career or even his life. And that guy was innocent
She deserved the boot
She deserved the boot
The level of discourse in this thread has been frequently disappointing. It does not appear that it will be productive to continue at this juncture. If there are any major new developments feel free to create a new thread at that time.
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