I have no idea where you are from but in the US it is a sign of support for a white nationalist administration that abducts children, places them in internment camps, and makes toddlers represent themselves in court.
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What’s up with kids and MAGA hats?
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I have no idea where you are from but in the US it is a sign of support for a white nationalist administration that abducts children, places them in internment camps, and makes toddlers represent themselves in court.
All of these posts of "It's just kids beings kids" "It's teenagers being dumb" and "It's just them being edgelords" really come off as sounding like a bunch of old people disgusted by what the world's like today... and yet they're all exactly correct.
Middle-to-high school age kids will always try to be abrasive and try to rebel in little ways. A lot of this stuff just doesn't seem real to them and they look at it as just being another button they can push to elicit a reaction from people. It's not great, and is absolutely awful in many cases, but it's something that's bound to happen.
Middle-to-high school age kids will always try to be abrasive and try to rebel in little ways. A lot of this stuff just doesn't seem real to them and they look at it as just being another button they can push to elicit a reaction from people. It's not great, and is absolutely awful in many cases, but it's something that's bound to happen.
Oh I am aware of the shitty practices Trump admin has done, but I didn't realize wearing an Obama cap means I agree with drone bombing little kids.
Obama didn't really have a marketing campaign that sold hats nor did he hand them out like arm bands, also he bombed other countries. Trump is figuratively bombing America on a daily basis.
Point me to the nationally popular Obama cap that he sold for personal profit, which also extended his view as a black nationalist and correlated with an uptick in hate crimes.
He would've if they would've sold to his voters. Trumps whole campaign was a huge marketing project, I guess that's the one thing he was good at.
Yet if someone had an Obama hope shirt you wouldn't be thinking he did a drone strike you'd probably think oh he raised my taxes to give people healthcare.
Is this just going to turn into a pissing contest of who did what wrong, because one president isn't destroying the social fabric of this country.
The onus of viewing "Make America Great Again" as racist lies upon the person viewing it, not the fact that a lifetime racist ran it on a racist platform and that it's clearly referring to a previous period of American history where civil rights were diminished?
No. I vastly prefer Obama to Trump, but the logical fallacies are plain to see. For example my art school teacher back in day hated Obama (for the drone strikes) and called us naive brats when we tried defending him. He would've likely thrown us out of class if we wore "hope" merch. For him Obama wasn't any better than George W.
Obviously Trump is so bad that any previous presidents look great in comparison, but that doesn't make everyone who buys his merch a racist nor a nazi. That is a really convenient and b&w way to look at things.
I would never defend any form of discrimination. If you honestly feel that everyone arguing against labelling these kids as nazis in this thread are being racists, then I don't know what to say.
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You criticized the OP for lacking perspective regarding him thinking that wearing a MAGA hat inside of a holocaust museum was a racist action. Yet here you are bringing up Obama and his non existant merchandise (in a directly comparative capacity) to explain why a MAGA hat isn't a hate symbol while not refuting what it stands for.
I still don't know if you are American or if you first hand know the political tension here. I'm sort of interested in knowing if you speak for Fingersoft in a professional capacity at this point.
Kids do stupid shit
Last night riding home a 14 year old (might of been younger or older) tried to knock me off my bike in front of his mates, if I had got off and gave this kid a hiding for being stupid I would of been in jail...
Ergo kids do stupid shit, the hat caused an issue which means a reaction, the guy was right to be arrested, ignoring them would of been the correct action
The kids are wearing because they are seen as anti society, there is no winning here
Last night riding home a 14 year old (might of been younger or older) tried to knock me off my bike in front of his mates, if I had got off and gave this kid a hiding for being stupid I would of been in jail...
Ergo kids do stupid shit, the hat caused an issue which means a reaction, the guy was right to be arrested, ignoring them would of been the correct action
The kids are wearing because they are seen as anti society, there is no winning here
I'm not an american and obviously not as informed as many people here are. And why would I ever represent my company in any way while discussing matters completely separated from the field I work in?
And you are putting words to my mouth, I told the OP that kids like to wear provocative and dumb shit. If a person uses MAGA symbols to express hate (especially in places that) they are obviously deplorable and disgusting people.
It also doesn't make them not one and if you want to identify with that you may feel the consequences, we do not have to be tolerant of the intolerant.
Every instance of someone wearing a MAGA hat is an expression of hate. There is no question about that at this point.
Why indeed?
You posted this in response to me explaining it was a hate symbol:
This was a plain whataboutism without acknowledgement. I put nothing in your mouth.
You can clarify your position of course. I have nothing against that. But this symbol is what it is and the damage being done here is real.
Disagree, kids where anti society stuff all the time, like they listen to music that is anti society, of course some will wear them as you suggest but an awful lot will simply be sticking 2 fingers up to all people. You must remember doing things as a teenager that was anti social
Well I already asked earlier whether the hat is a widely accepted hate symbol or not exactly because I am not from US. If that is indeed the case, then I have no point of argument.
True. But ignorance (especially in the case of kids, less so of adults) is not the same as intolerance.
But it's "okay", they're teens. It's "perfectly" fine and typically "normal" to be hateful and bigoted as teenager!
I want to make sure I am coming across clear, if the MAGA symbol/hat is used as a hateful symbol by enough people its meaning changes. So if the situation in US is indeed like you guys argue, then there's no defending wearing that stuff.
It's not ok. But still there's a difference in being ignorant and hateful. It's sad if an ignorant or hateful parent buys their kid that cap but that kid doesn't turn into a racist in that very moment. If they learn what it means and still continue to wear it, then they have made a conscious choice towards all the bad things the symbol represents.
Calling out the symbols and educating people helps them to trash the symbol.
It's not ok. But still there's a difference in being ignorant and hateful. It's sad if an ignorant or hateful parent buys their kid that cap but that kid doesn't turn into a racist in that very moment. If they learn what it means and still continue to wear it, then they have made a conscious choice towards all the bad things the symbol represents.
Calling out the symbols and educating people helps them to trash the symbol.
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Member hitlerjugend? I member from history books and we see it again in this day and age now with trump.
Yup, saw big groups of kids wearing MAGA hats when I visited DC this past Spring. I don't have much hope for the newer generation, even though people keep saying things will change when the "Baby Boomers die off". Their parents bought those hats for them. I also teach middle school and I see kids reading Trump's book and talking about how great he is (and this is in New England, not the South). I can't dismiss it as simply kids being "edgelords". Many teenagers find their own personal heroes at that age that define their lives. To them Trump is a hero. And with many kids skipping college these days I don't expect them to be "woke" at any point in their lives.
I do think one of the most indirectly dangerous things about Trump is the way America deifies the position of president. The president is held up as a heroic position that America collectively chooses the Best American to occupy. I mean action movies are made about the president being a super hero.
This is of course one reason why so many are disgusted with Trump and the GOP debasing the office. But it also means plenty of people, including kids, are experiencing a practically Pavlovian urge to see Trump as heroic and capable because he's sitting in the chair.
This is of course one reason why so many are disgusted with Trump and the GOP debasing the office. But it also means plenty of people, including kids, are experiencing a practically Pavlovian urge to see Trump as heroic and capable because he's sitting in the chair.
You can argue that Obama's hope poster is on the same level as Trump's MAGA hat in terms of a single item representing a campaign.
It's teens being teens. Heck when my son when on school trip from London to Washington the boys all bought MAGA hats and the girls all bought "not my president" T-Shirts and they're all Brits.
I wouldn't read too much into it. For me it's the same as seeing teen wearing a T Shirt with fuck on it.
In case you're wondering when my son got home we held a ritual burning of the hat ceremony in the garden so that's one of them accounted for you don't have to worry about!
I wouldn't read too much into it. For me it's the same as seeing teen wearing a T Shirt with fuck on it.
In case you're wondering when my son got home we held a ritual burning of the hat ceremony in the garden so that's one of them accounted for you don't have to worry about!
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You guys sell Brexit shirts? I'd like to buy one for shits and giggles as an American tourist.
A whole lot more people than this board represents want Brexit, so it does not carry the same weight on anti social....
In fact step out of London and you will find more Brexit than not
Agreed. It's a straight up hate symbol at this point.
Well the same thing can be said about the US in many ways. Step out of the major cities and you'll see plenty of Trump supporters.
Probably - I've seen a couple though nothing like MAGA hats. Both remain and leave messages I've spotted. Not sure if custom or commonly available though.
Really? I've never seen any Brexit clothing in London, or anywhere else in England in fact.
A lot of people hit on something when they've said that kids like memes. They like doing things they're told are bad or go against society as a whole. There's a level of irony to it.
In my day being part of the counter culture was being incredibly liberal and going against George Bush. Now it's the opposite.
The issue is that kids get wrapped up so much in it that it starts to become more real than ironic. Ironic racism and hatred is still racism and hatred.
On the other hand, some of these kids are just racists.
As a teacher I've thought a lot about this.
In my day being part of the counter culture was being incredibly liberal and going against George Bush. Now it's the opposite.
The issue is that kids get wrapped up so much in it that it starts to become more real than ironic. Ironic racism and hatred is still racism and hatred.
On the other hand, some of these kids are just racists.
As a teacher I've thought a lot about this.
In my day, when kids wanted to be abrasive edgelords they wore black flag and anarchy hats. Today, they wear MAGA hats.
It's a new, scary world.
It's a new, scary world.
As much as I wanna mock the MAGA hat wearing kids. I have a difficulty finding the strength to rant and rip them apart after throwing so much support behind the Rally for Our Lives event and ripped on people who attacked and mocked those kids.
i can only hope this is a stupid phase and they won't turn into shitty adults from this.
i can only hope this is a stupid phase and they won't turn into shitty adults from this.
The more you "good and wise guys" hate and antagonize Trump, more youngsters will appear to support him. It's like every trend on gaming, music and film. If everyone starts to convince you that x game/movie/song is great, you'll end up seeing threads "I don't understand the hype over x game/movie/song". People don't like to be told what they should think, especially the young people. It's probably how they feel subversive.
It's the same end result for the victims, and there's no excuse for ignorance in 2018. All the information you could ever want is a few clicks away, these people don't want it though, they choose to stay in their bubble and disregard things like truth and facts. And FYI, minorities don't get the benefit of the doubt like that by and large about being assumed to just not know, somehow that is a privilege only white people are privy to.