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JustinP

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their delusion is just flat out other worldly



Another snippet:
Is Trump alienating any more U.S. allies than Obama did when he largely abandoned both Israel and the Sunni Arab world, leaving them to the mercy of the Iranian dictators whom he sought to appease, enrich, and empower?

Notable because they're supposed to be the "conservative intellectuals"
 
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RupertM

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I actually think crazy cult lady would have issues getting out of committee. She's in a cult. She has no experience. There's nothing positive about her versus literally any other conservative.

It'd be a nightmare for the GOP to confirm a justice, only for her to be bogged down in scandals for long enough to get the Democrat senate in to deny all of Trump's picks to replace her when she steps down in a year or two.
I agree. I think she is the worst one for Mitch to confirm. If he loses Collins or Murkowski and if Dems close ranks it's a bust.

There is just no margin at all. If McCain was present, they could lose one vote and get Pence in for the tiebreak. But as the math stands, they need to every Republican vote.

If the red state Democrats hold their nerve, they can make it a solid fight.
 

Pooh

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So I have been hearing in the background that my parents (and maybe others) are mad at their church because they've apparently been "talking politics" during sermons. There's all this drama about bringing people back and the church proposing that they'll not talk about politics until "after November" and others saying they don't want them to talk about it ever, etc

Catholic Church, btw... guessing they actually talked about what Jesus said about accepting immigrants...

Pretty crazy. First thing I've heard that made me consider going to that church hahaha
 

Paches

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So I have been hearing in the background that my parents (and maybe others) are mad at their church because they've apparently been "talking politics" during sermons. There's all this drama about bringing people back and the church proposing that they'll not talk about politics until "after November" and others saying they don't want them to talk about it ever, etc

Catholic Church, btw... guessing they actually talked about what Jesus said about accepting immigrants...


Pretty crazy. First thing I've heard that made me consider going to that church hahaha

Wouldn't be surprised. Do you live in a high Hispanic population area? My local Catholic church I attended as a kid growing up was pretty big on this message and was attended with a pretty even split of White/Hispanic. It also helped this was an area of high migration of farm workers.
 

Ogodei

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Did anyone post this in here?



Hoo boy.


The only one of those that has constitutional basis would be West Virginia, if you assume that Virginia's rebel government was still legitimate at the time, then yes, West Virginia would be illegitimate. But Brown v Board is pretty clear on the 14th amendment and there's nothing illegal about social security: congress has the power to spend money as they see fit as long as it doesn't hit against the other amendments, and social security wouldn't.

I'd like to see a liberal school of constitutional originalism that ignores the Bill of Rights. It's not "original" to the constitution after all.
 

Grexeno

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well all know how hard reintegrating North Korea with South Korea would be and West Virginia going back to Virginia would be the same thing
 

Antrax

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Not sure if a good response could really be given, beyond admitting fault and not rationalizing the power their institution wields. Especially when a vast majority of the populace isn't paying real attention and can't be trusted to do critical thinking on a base level to determine lies from fact. There was so much failure in 2016 from so many angles and our democracy and values were steamrolled for shit priorities. But thats just my thought.

I'll update if the last 15m or so add anything.

I think there's a response they could make, but it involves atonement. A public reckoning with what they did.

I'm still waiting from Iraq, and that BS story they ran about the Mueller investigation coming to a close with no indictments. That paper loves to carry water for Republican administrations in a way that's always been uncomfortable to me.

So I have been hearing in the background that my parents (and maybe others) are mad at their church because they've apparently been "talking politics" during sermons. There's all this drama about bringing people back and the church proposing that they'll not talk about politics until "after November" and others saying they don't want them to talk about it ever, etc

Catholic Church, btw... guessing they actually talked about what Jesus said about accepting immigrants...

Pretty crazy. First thing I've heard that made me consider going to that church hahaha

Don't get me started on churches being political. Here in the South, they're basically tax-exempt PACs. I grew up on sermons about how wrong it would be to be a democrat, but not a fucking peep about GOP politicians and their sinning (and this was Clinton-Gingrich years, so there was plenty of material to condemn on the other side of the aisle)
 

Autodidact

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Don't get me started on churches being political. Here in the South, they're basically tax-exempt PACs. I grew up on sermons about how wrong it would be to be a democrat, but not a fucking peep about GOP politicians and their sinning (and this was Clinton-Gingrich years, so there was plenty of material to condemn on the other side of the aisle)
I've not visited a church since age 13. I've never regretted that decision.

In fact, I seldom discuss religion because I see no point. You'll never convince people to abandon a position grounded in "faith" rather than logic. Plus, as an atheist, why would I want to waste time debating or contemplating religion? The less I have to think about it, the better.
 

Punished Goku

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wonder why Chappaquiddick is still in theaters. I don't know what it is exactly about but I know it has something to do with Ted Kennedy and his boat driving accident?
 

Tranqueris

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121 days until the midterms.

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Autodidact

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Wonder why Chappaquiddick is still in theaters. I don't know what it is exactly about but I know it has something to do with Ted Kennedy and his boat driving accident?
A boat? He drove his car into a lake with an unconscious woman in the backseat. He managed to escape but left her there. The entire case - and the question of whether he knew of her presence, as well as his activities and supposedly suspicious behavior afterward - hounded him until his death and very likely stymied his presidential ambitions.
 

Punished Goku

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A boat? He drove his car into a lake with an unconscious woman in the backseat. He managed to escape but left her there. The entire case - and the question of whether he knew of her presence, as well as his activities and supposedly suspicious behavior afterward - hounded him until his death and very likely stymied his presidential ambitions.
Oh shit. He left the poor woman there? Damn.
 

Pooh

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Wouldn't be surprised. Do you live in a high Hispanic population area? My local Catholic church I attended as a kid growing up was pretty big on this message and was attended with a pretty even split of White/Hispanic. It also helped this was an area of high migration of farm workers.

Actually, I live in one of the whitest places in America these days, sadly enough :\ The church is in a wealthy surburban area of Portland, OR... 2010 census has it 89% white.

Makes me all the happier that they're actually preaching a message of acceptance of immigrants as I can't see how you can follow the bible without doing so.

My parents have been constantly asking me to go to church with them, but now that I find out they're preaching a message I don't find hypocritical, my parents want to find a different church. lol.


Don't get me started on churches being political. Here in the South, they're basically tax-exempt PACs. I grew up on sermons about how wrong it would be to be a democrat, but not a fucking peep about GOP politicians and their sinning (and this was Clinton-Gingrich years, so there was plenty of material to condemn on the other side of the aisle)

I agree that they shouldn't be tax-exempt, because I don't think it's actually possible to be apolitical. Especially as a church, if you're trying to impact people's lives and get them to live according to the teachings of Jesus, you would be best served by actually discussing policies and activities that affect the churchgoers. Of course many of the churches bend that however they want to fit their message, but ultimately it just means they shouldn't be tax-exempt.
 

Ac30

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""""Conservative intellectuals"""""

Wth does that even mean?

Does that mean they post meme images from r/im14andthisisdeep unironically or does that mean they prefer coke over meth to smoke while fantasizing about a more white America?
 
""""Conservative intellectuals"""""

Wth does that even mean?

Does that mean they post meme images from r/im14andthisisdeep unironically or does that mean they prefer coke over meth to smoke while fantasizing about a more white America?

The far right spends all its time telling people that intelligence and education are for evil liberals. This in turn requires they define a special kind of "conservative" intelligence for when they need to present a conservative as smart enough to tackle complex problems.

It's like regular intelligence but without the godless socialism that hates America.
 

Vixdean

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Oct 27, 2017
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Remember when Democrats railroaded Al Franken, one of the most effective progressive lawmakers in office, because a conservative radio host and Roger Stone tricked them into it? Meanwhile, this Jim Jordan thing will be quietly swept under the rug by the conservative media and lawmakers alike. This is why they win.
 
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How come Ryan isn't fast-tracking Jordan through the ethics committee like he did when he wanted to keep embarrassing scandals quiet?

Oh, then maybe...
 

Nappuccino

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Oct 25, 2017
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Remember when Democrats railroaded Al Franken, one of the most effective progressive lawmakers in office, because a conservative radio host and Roger Stone tricked them into it? Meanwhile, this Jim Jordan thing will be quietly swept under the rug by the conservative media and lawmakers alike. This is why they win.
I mean, that is one way to rewire it, sure. I was bummed as hell about Frankin, but not because some conservative jerks lied about his behavior.
 
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