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RatskyWatsky

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With the season about to wrap, I'm getting ready to resubscribe to Hulu so I can binge this. I've purposefully not looked at anything about the reception of the show as to not get spoiled, but with all of this being brand new material this time, how's this season holding up compared to the first? Close, or a step down?

Same. Wanted to wait to post until the season ended but may as well piggyback. Is this season worth it?

The season has been fantastic thus far. The plot isn't moving forward by leaps and bounds, and it is similar to season one, but they're doing enough to keep things from feeling repetitive and stuff is happening. The character work has been excellent and the acting is as great as its ever been, if not better for certain characters (Serena Joy in particular).

It's unbelievable that some are seriously calling the season "bad" - it's not, not even close. What ridiculous hyperbole.
 

Starmud

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I think the bit about 10 seasons was saying they could tell so many stories (outside of June and the Waterford's), I'm thinking you'll see other characters develop and instead of having spin offs you'll see the show continue under the same title but with different stories from across the country.

We're just starting to scratch the surface of being told what it's like outside of this district, the colonies etc
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think the bit about 10 seasons was saying they could tell so many stories (outside of June and the Waterford's), I'm thinking you'll see other characters develop and instead of having spin offs you'll see the show continue under the same title but with different stories from across the country.

We're just starting to scratch the surface of being old what it's like outside of this district, the colonies etc

Maybe I just lack imagination, but wouldnt that be just different shades of the same misery porn? Ultimately the show is called The Handmaids Tale and will always focus on handmaids, or at least it should, and theres only so much ground they can cover with handmaids across the country that wouldn't just be a repeat of June's story.
 

Kafarabo

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wouldn't mind it going to a nice round 10 seasons.i don't think any show I watched ever made it that far except South park.

Dexter 8 seasons
House 8
Breaking bad 5.5 or 6
Sopranos 6.5 or 7
Lost 6
Prison break 5
Six feet under 5
True blood 7
The Shield 7
24 i think 9?
Justified 6
Hannibal only 3
 

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Maybe I just lack imagination, but wouldnt that be just different shades of the same misery porn? Ultimately the show is called The Handmaids Tale and will always focus on handmaids, or at least it should, and theres only so much ground they can cover with handmaids across the country that wouldn't just be a repeat of June's story.
Why would this need to be the case? There's plenty to tell outside of this. If you want to stick to the women of the shows, you still have the wife's, the martha's, and I imagine a whole slew of women that aren't part of the Gilead leadership but still live in Gilead.

Just because the title is "The Handmaid's Tale" doesn't mean you couldn't tell those stories, as well, that would be a completely unnecessary thing to do just so your title is accurate imo.
 

Jules

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think the overall story arc will involve the differences in how June and Serena evolve within Gilead in general. June's arc will be in surviving and escaping Gilead, while Serena's will involve her deftness in navigating her way through Gilead's power structure and bending it to her own will.

Expect the wives to band together similar to how June and the handmaids did last season, but in their case, for self serving reasons though, absent of any of the altruistic motives demonstrated by the handmaids.

It's possible that season 3 might explore the notion of how people tied to Gilead seek redemption, but I don't think Serena can be possibly redeemed. The show would lose more than it gained by going that route, especially when they could slot other characters into that path.

I think they are already trying to set this up, with the preview scene from Emily's new posting. (I can't remember the Commander's name.) I just wish they would get on with it! They are eventually going to have to stop dragging all of it out.
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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The season has been fantastic thus far. The plot isn't moving forward by leaps and bounds, and it is similar to season one, but they're doing enough to keep things from feeling repetitive and stuff is happening. The character work has been excellent and the acting is as great as its ever been, if not better for certain characters (Serena Joy in particular).

It's unbelievable that some are seriously calling the season "bad" - it's not, not even close. What ridiculous hyperbole.

Completely agree. It's riveting television-there's nothing else on tv that holds my attention like this-as soon as I see there's a new episode available I start watching-whereas my tv backlog continues to grow.
 

CreepingFear

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I thought for sure
that Nick would die/get caught. I like the twist that his wife stayed silent and ended up dead. Tragic, for such a young girl
 

Curler

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I thought for sure
that Nick would die/get caught. I like the twist that his wife stayed silent and ended up dead. Tragic, for such a young girl

I don't blame Nick for how awkward he was around her... Besides already loving June, he was forced on a 15 year old bride that he's supposed to consumate the marriage of and have kids. The entire time, especially when they last spoke, I was hoping at LEAST he would've saud something like "it was never my choice" or SOMETHING. Their interactions were always annoying and awkward, and she's far been brainwashed as it is, with her thinkimg of her "woman duties" to get it...
 

CreepingFear

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This surprised me, but I wasn't mad about it!
I don't blame Nick for how awkward he was around her... Besides already loving June, he was forced on a 15 year old bride that he's supposed to consumate the marriage of and have kids. The entire time, especially when they last spoke, I was hoping at LEAST he would've saud something like "it was never my choice" or SOMETHING. Their interactions were always annoying and awkward, and she's far been brainwashed as it is, with her thinkimg of her "woman duties" to get it...
Team Nick!, until June can reunite with her husband in Canada.
 

Curler

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Oct 26, 2017
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Team Nick!, until June can reunite with her husband in Canada.

Yeahh... Nick's a good guy but geeze, I feel bad for the situation he's in. Pretty sure he will just up sacrificing himself for (hopefully June's ACTUALLY REAL THIS TIME) escape. I just don't see him coming out alive, and that's a shame.
 

Moff

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Oct 26, 2017
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10 seasons would be insane.
I was sure they'd wrap it up in this one.
I mean I enjoyed it, but how often can you pull a "Offred will barely make it out" just to end up in the exact same place again?
I mean the whole cast is based around 1 house, there is just not that much wiggle room.
And except for the baby, we are pretty much exactly still in the same spot as at the start of season 1.

This sounds too negative, I still think it's one of the best shows out there. Many great themes and it's just overall really well done and acted. well except Nick, everything about Nick is bad and dumb.
 
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They need to expand the world. And they could. Maybe that's where the new Commander for Emily will lead them.

They have an interesting world that I want to see more of.

Great episode btw.
 

mm04

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Oct 27, 2017
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10 seasons would be insane.
I was sure they'd wrap it up in this one.
I mean I enjoyed it, but how often can you pull a "Offred will barely make it out" just to end up in the exact same place again?
I mean the whole cast is based around 1 house, there is just not that much wiggle room.
And except for the baby, we are pretty much exactly still in the same spot as at the start of season 1.

This sounds too negative, I still think it's one of the best shows out there. Many great themes and it's just overall really well done and acted. well except Nick, everything about Nick is bad and dumb.

I really hope they don't Walking Dead this series. Run it way past its usefulness and end up losing actors over time who just get sick of the role. I mean sure, there's an end game in there (there isn't for TWD), but I don't want to see all of these actors age 10 f'ing years. Hannah will be old enough to drink by the time it's done.
 

HotHamBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'd be really happy if they wrapped it up in the next 1-2 seasons and ended the show.

This show really isn't about the lore and metanarrative. I don't need the show to expand, nor do I want it become another "the early seasons are good" series.
 

Shy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fair enough. I feel like there is enough for possible escape, war, post war.
See. That has potential. The problem is though that would move away from June as the main protagonist, and going to a more ensemble piece (a more of a GOT approach) which i wouldn't mind (don't get me wrong, i think she's a really good character) But i don't see them doing that.

I fear the show is going to maintain the status quo. Unfortunately.
 

TheIlliterati

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Oct 28, 2017
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Season 2 has been good, but built off the promise that June made to her baby and thus the viewers that her baby would not be raised there. I took it as the writers winking at us who were sick of the suffering. But honestly I feel like they were lying. If this show continues, it cannot be June vs the Waterfords for another year. It has reached a point beyond where I desire catharsis. I seriously thought that if June had killed one or both of them with the shotgun this may have been one of the best climaxes ever. Instead the show is content to drown the viewers in more misery. Can't wait for two seasons from now when "Nicole" is being married off and a whole episode is devoted to her first rape.
 

Chitown B

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yeah I agree. It's really hard to watch (in a good way) but there needs to be some forward motion. We can't have another season of her just getting beaten down and losing her baby.
 

BreakAtmo

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I'm surprised at how many people want Fred and Serena hung up on the wall. I for one want them to see Gilead fall. And then be Nuremberg'd, with their whole belief system and idea of a utopia spat on by everyone around them. And then go to prison and live very, very long lives.
 

Cass_Se

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Oct 25, 2017
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The biggest disappointment about Handmaid's Tale is just how thoroughly excellent it is from pretty much every angle - acting, directing, writing, cinematography - but at the same time it's too damn scared to take any real risks and move the plot forward. It's bizarre because on paper there isn't really anything wrong with season 2, but in reality it has become so iterative it's getting unbearable to watch (in part because, unlike other TV series, it's premise is daunting). The narrative keeps getting more and more contrived getting June to the Waterfords and we barely see character growth from any of the principal characters. I understand Gilead is the greater narrative framework and June is the protagonist of the story and her being stuck at Waterfords is meant to evoke hopelesness and bleakness of Gilead's reality, but it's starting to be a less and less compelling as this season goes by.
 

gofreak

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Absolutely hollering at Serena having the gall to call the baby Nicole...a constant reminder for Fred?

So is Serena 'breaking' now, for real? Or is she just manipulating June again?

Poor Eden. I thought for sure she might become a kind of unlikable thorn in the side, but she's pretty much entirely a naive victim.

I've watched the promo... it hints at a direction where things could get 'weird' (e.g.
Serena gets taken out of the picture by Fred, leaving Fred and a 'psuedo-wife' of June minding the baby?
). Emily's new house already seems to be heading in that direction.
 

gofreak

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Serena knows its Nicks baby?

She arranged it!

And then she rubbed it in Fred's face.

And then Offred later did the same.

And now she calls the baby Nicole :eeeek:

Fred and Nick have never explicitly referred to the situation, but Fred was totally big-dogging Nick on this front when he was having him hang the family portrait in his office.

edit - I can't remember if Serena or June explicitly told Fred that the father was Nick...certainly they did throw it at him that it wasn't his child, though. Even if they weren't explicit, though, he can probably put two and two together about who the real father is, given that he knows Serena was in on it and the opportunities available.
 

Cass_Se

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edit - I can't remember if Serena or June explicitly told Fred that the father was Nick...certainly they did throw it at him that it wasn't his child, though. Even if they weren't explicit, though, he can probably put two and two together about who the real father is, given that he knows Serena was in on it and the opportunities available.

I'm fairly sure in episode 11 when Fred and Serena were arguing in the abandoned house she outright called Holly/Nicole 'their baby', as in Nick's and June's baby.
 

gofreak

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I'm fairly sure in episode 11 when Fred and Serena were arguing in the abandoned house she outright called Holly/Nicole 'their baby', as in Nick's and June's baby.

Yeah... good point. If she did, then I guess in the earlier office argument that she did explicitly say it was Nick's - I doubt she was springing anything new on him in the abandoned manor, or he would have had a stronger reaction. I could check the earlier office argument later.

In the promo for ep 13, with Serena being dragged away, and talk of her being 'turned in', I'd bet it's Fred using the Nick/June arrangement against her to get her arrested or whatever.
 
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I'm fairly sure in episode 11 when Fred and Serena were arguing in the abandoned house she outright called Holly/Nicole 'their baby', as in Nick's and June's baby.

When Fred was all "they wouldn't betray me. Nick is loyal" Serena called Nick the father of June's baby.

I don't think Fred even cares whether he is the father or not. His main concern is to keep his plaything around.
 

Moff

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She arranged it!

And then she rubbed it in Fred's face.

And then Offred later did the same.

And now she calls the baby Nicole :eeeek:

Fred and Nick have never explicitly referred to the situation, but Fred was totally big-dogging Nick on this front when he was having him hang the family portrait in his office.

edit - I can't remember if Serena or June explicitly told Fred that the father was Nick...certainly they did throw it at him that it wasn't his child, though. Even if they weren't explicit, though, he can probably put two and two together about who the real father is, given that he knows Serena was in on it and the opportunities available.
Serena arranged it? I dont remember that at all.
 

gofreak

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Serena arranged it? I dont remember that at all.

Yeah, episode 5 of season 1. Serena takes Offred out to the garden, and warns her she's running out of time, that the commander might be infertile, and that Offred could end up in the colonies if nothing happens. But says there might be another way... with someone they trust. So after shopping she takes her up to Nick's flat, and stands awkwardly in the background while Nick and June equally awkwardly get down to it.

Serena is desperate to get her baby.
 

Moff

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Oh wow, I am surpised they never showed that in a recap. Seems important to me.
 

Shy

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Yeah, episode 5 of season 1. Serena takes Offred out to the garden, and warns her she's running out of time, that the commander might be infertile, and that Offred could end up in the colonies if nothing happens. But says there might be another way... with someone they trust. So after shopping she takes her up to Nick's flat, and stands awkwardly in the background while Nick and June equally awkwardly get down to it.

Serena is desperate to get her baby.
Ahhh. Yeah, i remember that now.
 

Lady Murasaki

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really liked this last episode, was a good balance between plot and emotion, unlike the childbirth one where it was meant to be contemplative and sadly beautiful but it didn't have much of an effect on me. I think I enter a numb mode when I start watching THT, otherwise, this series would be unbearable.

I was surprised at Eden's plot. I thought she was only using Isaac to try to make Nick care at least a bit, but she obviously loved him. I was surprised they chose to make her a rebel in the end, and not follow a line closer to Serena's - suffering from the consequences of their power structures but still fighting for it. I really liked the scene where Nick tried to dissuade her, really touching. Their execution was heartbreaking even though they weren't that likable.

This episode had some great acting btw. That scene of Offred and Fred talking in the kitchen, you could feel her hatred moving almost unnoticeably in her facial muscles. That scene of Serena trying to breastfeed was just disturbing, But that pervy expression in Fred's face when June's milk wets her dress was one of the most haunting things I have ever seen in TV. It was quick, it didn't have any clues, but that face is so scary and disgusting at the same time. Great acting by Fiennes there.

Talking of scary and disgusting, wtf is Commander's Lawrence household? What are those people up to? They left kinda ambiguous if they are somewhat rebellious (even he being the Colonies mastermind) or if they are just too insane to even to obey Gilead's laws. The house is the complete opposite of the Waterford's house. What I liked the most was how we step into Emily's shoes and can't know anything more than what she does. That weird shift during the drinks was very disturbing too.

Excited to see in how they will finish the season since it looks a lot to wrap up. The next episode is the last one, right?
 

Jules

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I'm surprised at how many people want Fred and Serena hung up on the wall. I for one want them to see Gilead fall. And then be Nuremberg'd, with their whole belief system and idea of a utopia spat on by everyone around them. And then go to prison and live very, very long lives.

THIS. This is exactly what I hope happens to them both!
 

gofreak

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Talking of scary and disgusting, wtf is Commander's Lawrence household? What are those people up to? They left kinda ambiguous if they are somewhat rebellious (even he being the Colonies mastermind) or if they are just too insane to even to obey Gilead's laws. The house is the complete opposite of the Waterford's house. What I liked the most was how we step into Emily's shoes and can't know anything more than what she does. That weird shift during the drinks was very disturbing too.

Excited to see in how they will finish the season since it looks a lot to wrap up. The next episode is the last one, right?

Yes, it is.

And yes, that new household... it's creepy and weird. I half-expect the commander and the martha are in some kind of sadomasochistic relationship.
 

Linkura

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I'm surprised at how many people want Fred and Serena hung up on the wall. I for one want them to see Gilead fall. And then be Nuremberg'd, with their whole belief system and idea of a utopia spat on by everyone around them. And then go to prison and live very, very long lives.
If they go by the book, Waterford gets killed by the "mid-Gilead" period for not following the rules.

Up to Episode 5 now. Some thoughts:

-Why do they pronounce Offred as OFF-red and not Of-fred like the general pronunciation for Handmaid names?

-Is it at all possible IRL for a 2nd trimester pregnant woman to lose that much blood and still keep the baby?

-The Prayvaganza wedding (though not Nick getting married, just some randos) is in the book so I was familiar with it, but it's still super creepy seeing it acted out.

-Omar (I think that's what his name was) should have brought June back to the Boston Globe instead of his house. It had been safe there for months and that old guy said he checked up on the place frequently. Would have been safer all around, but I guess it wouldn't have moved the plot forward.

-Why the fuck did June look out the window in the Econofamily's apartment? Is she dumb?
 

Chitown B

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I know it's not really the point, but it's confusing to me how so much could have changed in such a small amount of time. It can't be more than like 4-5 years based on the ages of people and kids. Seems the entire nation has somehow found old buildings and removed all modern things. If you knew nothing about the show and turned it on you might for a second think it's 1835 or something. I know it's for shock value, but also it's hard to believe that even the oppressors want to live like this.
 

Lady Murasaki

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I know it's not really the point, but it's confusing to me how so much could have changed in such a small amount of time. It can't be more than like 4-5 years based on the ages of people and kids. Seems the entire nation has somehow found old buildings and removed all modern things. If you knew nothing about the show and turned it on you might for a second think it's 1835 or something. I know it's for shock value, but also it's hard to believe that even the oppressors want to live like this.

I understand what you mean, but it kinda makes sense to me. Many of these extremist conservative movements have a huge emphasis in erasing modernity to appeal to ''good old values'' and also associate progress to being liberal. They kinda have a point since even architecture is influenced by politics and culture (Art Déco, Modernism, all were controversial movements in their time), exactly like fashion and they would use it to make a point like they do with the clothing, especially the women's, but if you pay attention, the men's too. If you look up what happened in the Islamic Revolution on Iran, it's not an uncommon move once they take over. I think that by Gilead's mentality having something like a fully functional mall would be a constant reminder of how things were better before and they don't want that.

The costume designer of the series said she didn't want to look like it was some period drama or something, so she tried to create clothing that reminded that we are indeed in the 21st century. To me, this is clear when I see Serena walking in her heels at the same time she wears those capes. I suppose the whole series has the same idea and try to always remember this could be tomorrow, especially showing the new horrible uses for old locations, like gallows at the stadium, the professor hanged in the university, the subway working, the Olympic pool used to drown people, basketball courts used for forced marriages and so on.
 

IronRinn

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Got some world building this week. I am instantly more interested in what's going on in Commander Lawrence's house than anything with the main plot lines.
 

Chitown B

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Got some world building this week. I am instantly more interested in what's going on in Commander Lawrence's house than anything with the main plot lines.

Same.

So he came up with the whole scheme. Yet he doesn't seem to be into the ideals. Was he coerced along the way, and now he's just living it out until he dies? Is he ashamed? Is he harboring all the broken women he can? Is he helping or just hanging out until they get moved? Is he part of an underground railroad?
 

zeitgeist

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Same.

So he came up with the whole scheme. Yet he doesn't seem to be into the ideals. Was he coerced along the way, and now he's just living it out until he dies? Is he ashamed? Is he harboring all the broken women he can? Is he helping or just hanging out until they get moved? Is he part of an underground railroad?

The most important question though... Is he booked for season 3?
 

IronRinn

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Same.

So he came up with the whole scheme. Yet he doesn't seem to be into the ideals. Was he coerced along the way, and now he's just living it out until he dies? Is he ashamed? Is he harboring all the broken women he can? Is he helping or just hanging out until they get moved? Is he part of an underground railroad?
Just how sassy is his Martha? #Tryitoldman

Also, you think that conversation is going one way and then he ends it by asking her if she's healed with that sniff. Good, good work by Bradley Whitford.
 

Moff

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I was wondering if he is responsible for her losing an eye or if he takes in "problematic" women to protect them. Seems more like the latter at the moment.

I always feel like I want to see more of thr grand scope of Gilean society and internationsl politics, but this is a show about women and about the opression of women and it would be sad if this just turned into the millionth story about a dystopian dictatorship and lost the focus on what made this show important and special in the first place.