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Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom |OT| The Park is gone [Open Spoilers]
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This movie is proof that the director should always be allowed to change the screenplay. Bayona's directing was hampered by Treverrow's garbage writing.
See, the volcanic eruption caused a global environmental collapse due to the genetically-altered seeds, bacteria, and other materials being spread through the atmosphere, resulting in these invasive species to destroy ecosystems and spread antibody-resistant microbes
So the only way to find a cure is to experiment with human-dino hybrid DNA and track down the girl who was patient zero for such hybridization, amid a ravaged planet where super dinosaurs roam
From what I've heard on here was that he didn't have the time to change the script to his liking.
Just got out of the theater. I dropped the first JW halfway through because I got bored af and it wouldn't end, but holy shit man, this one asks for way too much suspension of disbelief that they might have just asked me to turn my brain off beforehand.
Blue is important, yet no one from the soldiers is actually keeping an eye on her, then there's this stupid moment where the door was open while they were taking some blood from dinosaur. What do the soldiers do? Just close it, no checks. Then there's a lot of yelling and screaming but the soldiers that were just there 5 seconds ago don't seem to notice. All of a sudden there's the cliché empty SUV with a key in there. Oh and dude gets the handcuffs key on the first try... Then the final battle with the Indoraptor... Like 4 close calls back to back. Nah man, and there like 3 more really stupid moments.
Oh and fuck, this line was so goddamn stupid: "They're alive... like me". Plot twist about the girl was cool but that line ruined it.
Blue is important, yet no one from the soldiers is actually keeping an eye on her, then there's this stupid moment where the door was open while they were taking some blood from dinosaur. What do the soldiers do? Just close it, no checks. Then there's a lot of yelling and screaming but the soldiers that were just there 5 seconds ago don't seem to notice. All of a sudden there's the cliché empty SUV with a key in there. Oh and dude gets the handcuffs key on the first try... Then the final battle with the Indoraptor... Like 4 close calls back to back. Nah man, and there like 3 more really stupid moments.
Oh and fuck, this line was so goddamn stupid: "They're alive... like me". Plot twist about the girl was cool but that line ruined it.
What pisses me off that me and my friends used to write better JP fanfictions online back in middle school that were far superior to anything Trevorrows come up with so far.
Brontosaurus was later renamed Apatosaurus (something to do with later discoveries in bone structure) and those were in the original Michael Chrichton novels and made their first on screen appearance in Jurassic World (they have a small cameo in Fallen Kingdom).
I think in recent years scientists have changed their thinking and it's now believed there might actually have been a Brontosaurus and it was seperare from the Apatosaurs.
Another famous prehistoric animal that has never been seen in the JP Universe is the Pterodactyl. In the first novel they had a larger species called Cearodactyl while the movies (and ancillary merchandise like toys,games,comics) decided to use Pterandons instead (and in JW also featured Dimorphodons which was neat).
Prices were silly compared to what race horses have gone for
Horse Foaled Nominal price
The Green Monkey 2004 $16 million
Seattle Dancer 1984 $13.1 million
Meydan City 2005 $11.7 million
Snaafi Dancer 1982 $10.2 million
Exactly. It's a limited scope. No way that Rex isn't gonna get killed on the spot.
So I really disliked the movie. Was mildly excited for Escape from Dino Island: Volcano Edition. Got only half of that. Then, I was excited about them maybe bringing the dinosaurs to a second island which would turn out to be the island from JP3 with the facilities restarted up under new management. Instead I got a slog of a mansion crawling non-horror movie.
A lot of stuff was dumb and irritated me a great deal, but it's able to be ignored. The two big points I disliked:
1) The kid. She has no reason to be in this movie and serves no true additional purpose that couldn't be served by anyone else. The reveal of her being a clone could've been something interesting, but of course its only purpose was to have someone free the dinosaurs and to have some sort of big twist reveal at the end. But it means nothing and I certainly didn't care enough about the kid for it to have any real impact.
2) The Indoraptor needing a mother. They could've come up with a billion other reasons as to why they needed Blue alive, and instead they come up with this? Again, zero importance. Blue attacks the Indoraptor because it wants to save Chris Pratt. The Indoraptor takes no pause in giving Blue a no-holds-barred dino cage match. So what was the point? A very poorly justified reason for Blue to be kept intact, given that it felt it would play a more important role.
A lot of stuff was dumb and irritated me a great deal, but it's able to be ignored. The two big points I disliked:
1) The kid. She has no reason to be in this movie and serves no true additional purpose that couldn't be served by anyone else. The reveal of her being a clone could've been something interesting, but of course its only purpose was to have someone free the dinosaurs and to have some sort of big twist reveal at the end. But it means nothing and I certainly didn't care enough about the kid for it to have any real impact.
2) The Indoraptor needing a mother. They could've come up with a billion other reasons as to why they needed Blue alive, and instead they come up with this? Again, zero importance. Blue attacks the Indoraptor because it wants to save Chris Pratt. The Indoraptor takes no pause in giving Blue a no-holds-barred dino cage match. So what was the point? A very poorly justified reason for Blue to be kept intact, given that it felt it would play a more important role.
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Blue suddenly being the most empathetic creature to have ever walked the Earth had me wondering if Trevorrow ever even watched the movie he wrote and directed. It's so out of no where. Owen and Blue's relationship arc across the first movie, and Blue's general portrayal throughout is totally at odds with the ridiculous flashback of her cuddling with him because he's fake crying.
Yeah, it was insane. Like I actually thought JW handled the idea of trained raptors relatively well. It constantly reminded us that they were still vicious animals conditioned to react to certain stimuli and prompts.
FK having a baby raptor cuddling with Pratt and showing empathy was just too much
They actually cover this in the movie. This "generation" of Indoraptor that you see in the movie has a piss poor temperament because it was raised in isolation (which is why Wu kept saying he was a prototype and he is not to be sold). The whole point of Blue is for FUTURE Indoraptor generations. Wu even says that it may take a long time before they get it right, to which the villain says something to the effect of "sounds like a lot of money".
Blue is extremely important to the future plans, the current Indoraptor was likely going to be destroyed once Blue was "captured". It was merely put up for auction to gauge future interest in the product line.
Take issue with that explanation all you want, but it is very well explained during the movie.
Jurassic World 3: Horizon: Zero Dawn (with non-robotic dinosaurs) The Movie.
Fallen Kingdom did everything I never wanted the franchise to do:
-Hybrids again
-Military Raptors plot again
-Dino's running a mock on the mainland
-clone humans
-transformers/fast & furious style dumbness
Movie would have been a lot better if it just stayed on Isla Nublar the whole time, the scene with the brachiosaur fading into the mist could have been towards the end of the film and the twist ending could have been that the rescued species were moved to a mysterious location with Dr Wu.
Trevorrows writing is one thing but I really blame Spielberg who's been after this hybrid/military/evil villians want to use dinosaurs for evil things angle since the mid 00s. He's really lost it as a director and should be removed from the JP franchise.
-Hybrids again
-Military Raptors plot again
-Dino's running a mock on the mainland
-clone humans
-transformers/fast & furious style dumbness
Movie would have been a lot better if it just stayed on Isla Nublar the whole time, the scene with the brachiosaur fading into the mist could have been towards the end of the film and the twist ending could have been that the rescued species were moved to a mysterious location with Dr Wu.
Trevorrows writing is one thing but I really blame Spielberg who's been after this hybrid/military/evil villians want to use dinosaurs for evil things angle since the mid 00s. He's really lost it as a director and should be removed from the JP franchise.
Yeah because if I recall, Blue immediately turned along with the rest of the raptor squad when it was revealed the Indominus had raptor parts.
But then Wu makes some comment about how he designed Blue, right?
I must have misremembered.
The skeleton of Sue the T.rex was sold for like 7.6 million dollars. That's just for an actual skeleton too.
Saw the movie today and found it to be pretty enjoyable. I'm not really good at explaining why other than it managed to keep my attention for the whole film. I don't know... I've never really been bothered by the idea of clones (like the indo dinos) or using raptors for the military (yeah, I found Blue being a super emphath or something was odd compared to JW, but I honestly didn't care and I do enjoy watching Blue). I mean the series is already about genetically recreated dinosaurs (wouldn't that already make them clones?) and the velociraptors are already so different from their real life counterparts (iirc the real ones were small, but I haven't really followed dinosaur news in a long time so maybe that change...) so I find what the Jurassic World movies have done hasn't really been that much of a stretch. TBH, I was more bothered by the talking raptor scene in JPIII and the gymnastic scene in Lost World...
IMO, if I would rank how I loved them (and I'll admit, I'm not saying they are great films without flaws - this is just how I would rank things in the series based upon watching/reading them): The two books > JW = Fallen Kingdom = JP > Lost World = JPIII. I've rewatched Jurassic Park recently and I didn't enjoy it as much as I remember while I rewatched JW and still enjoyed it. I still have the books first, but I have a feeling that if I reread them, they may drop like JP did (I used to easily consider that #1).
If I've been reading these Jurassic Park thread/news correct, there's supposed to be a third JW in the works. If so, I honestly can't wait.
IMO, if I would rank how I loved them (and I'll admit, I'm not saying they are great films without flaws - this is just how I would rank things in the series based upon watching/reading them): The two books > JW = Fallen Kingdom = JP > Lost World = JPIII. I've rewatched Jurassic Park recently and I didn't enjoy it as much as I remember while I rewatched JW and still enjoyed it. I still have the books first, but I have a feeling that if I reread them, they may drop like JP did (I used to easily consider that #1).
If I've been reading these Jurassic Park thread/news correct, there's supposed to be a third JW in the works. If so, I honestly can't wait.
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Yes. It's set for June 11, 2021 with Trevorrow co-writing and directing, and Emily Carmichael co-writing as well.
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They'll have David Attenborough play a CGI John Hammond clone.
Also why the hell hasn't David Attenborough been in a Jurassic movie?
This movie was one big hot trash, it was so bad, so cliche, so predictable....I honestly wanted to just get up and leave, and I never really leave a movie theater even if a movie is bad.
Half in the Bag review is spot on.
Half in the Bag review is spot on.
I felt like the first JW forced FK into the corner with the whole cuddling raptor thing. One of my big issues with JW was the idea that the military would ever even want raptors in the first place, because as the movie showed, it's not like you can really control them.
FK tried to lean away from that by showing that Blue could actually be controlled, but like you said, they should still be vicious animals.
There was basically no winning and these movies are dumb.
But still better than The Lost World.
I disagree. The person who wrote this movie wanted it to be "The Lost World" so badly, but without any of the half assed effort.
Probably because the movies abandoned any sense of realism and faithfulness to science/nature almost immediately.
TLW will forever be at the top of my list for most disappointing movies of all time. Even if you could lay out a case for how the movies that followed were objectively worse, it wouldn't matter. TLW still sits at the top of shit mountain.
What happened to Isla Sorna and the Spinosaurus? It feels like everything post original Jurassic Park has been forgotten
TLW is bad, but Fallen Kingdom takes cues from TLW and Jurassic Park while somehow managing to make it extremely obvious that its doing so.
Also, why is Claire of all people being asked to personally lead an effort to save the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar by activating a tracking system? She was one of the reasons why the park collapsed in the first place; her judgement is not needed if your intentions are to simply rescue the dinosaurs. This movie does so many things that are stupid and feels like the people who made "Congo" decided to make a Jurassic Park movie.
I was under the impression that she was the one being asked to go because she had the biometric credentials necessary to access the part of the system that would allow them to reactivate the tracking.
Because they needed Claire's access (or any high level employee, but Claire was an easy mark) to the system to initiate the tracking for Blue, which is why they were there in the first place. That part was made pretty clear I thought.
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Correct.
It's Owen's presence on the island that makes literally no sense, since he wasn't need to track, contain, or control Blue, and was instantly left to die the moment they got her.
Could they not have obtained Masrani's credentials (Or fingers) after his death. I don't see why we need Claire after the mess that happened in JW1. Like all of the decisions made by people in this movie are not understandable...except Ian Malcolm, who is correct.
If you wanted to minimize casualties, Owen would be useful in getting the raptor out in the open so you could tranq it. But there are definitely other ways (and it didn't seem like they were counting on him showing up anyway).
Hard to get a finger print off a guy who died in an explosive helicopter crash three years prior.
The movie is dumb enough without trying to twist your way into perceived plot holes.
There is literally a clone girl in the movie that is just meant to press a button.
Anything is fair game at this point in terms of throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks.
The dude was in a helicopter that exploded and then his remains were left on an island of carnivores for years. There would be nothing left of him.
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I should be clear that *in theory* it made sense to bring him, but in practice they started shooting Blue literally the moment she was in sight, got someone nearly killed, blew a hole in her, tranq'd him, and left him to die, so I'm not exactly sure what their plan actually was. Owen's presence did literally nothing, so it became a sloppy, nonsense, bog standard betrayal scene that just illustrated how dumb everyone in this movie was.
I agree.
I just don't think it makes the best sense to hedge your bets on tracking the dinosaurs with Claire, her two colleagues, and Owen.
Nothing in that movie properly conveyed that their mission to rescue the dinosaurs (and rescue Blue) made any real sense.
Sloppy soldiers I guess. If the dude is happy making a buck fifty per dino at auction, he probably got the cheapest soldiers he could find to run his operation.
But yea, these movies with a decent script would have been something cool. I feel like the sense of spectacle is really good (and basically what carries these movies), so if they had any actual substance behind them they could have been something.
Yeah its hilarious also that the two colleagues were relied upon so heavily. You mean to tell me you spent all this money to bring a small military over to the island to capture the dinos, but didn't bring a tech guy or vet to take care of them, so as to rely on the two characters you likely were going to betray?
The writing is just beyond absurd.
Are you saying that Treverrow should have done 5 minutes of research before writing that part of the script? How dare you
The montage of dinos and dino embryos being taken across the globe is supposed to show us how they're going to thrive and spread. But all those dinos released in California are so dead
During the beginning, the news ticker at the bottom said something like "US President doesn't believe the dinosaurs actually exist." I took that as a jab at Trump/Fake News. There was also the "Nasty woman" line.
I thought the action was fun and I enjoyed the movie in that regard (the first 1/3 in particular was pretty damn good). Yea the story was so stupid but I guess I didn't expect it not to be.
I thought the action was fun and I enjoyed the movie in that regard (the first 1/3 in particular was pretty damn good). Yea the story was so stupid but I guess I didn't expect it not to be.
So is California going to be a dinosaur-infested overgrown nightmare in JW3? I trying to think of where they're going to take this.
Jump forward Iike five years to skip having to show how the dinos breed and spread, and jump right into an apocalyptic state of emergency where the reign of the dinos have forced evacuations out of areas of California and invasive dino species upsetting ecosystems.
Are we going to see actual war raptors on the battlefield?
Will we see an extravagant Scarface-esque cartel boss with a pet dilophosaurus instead of a tiger?
Will that girl be revealed to actually be a raptor-human hybrid?
Jump forward Iike five years to skip having to show how the dinos breed and spread, and jump right into an apocalyptic state of emergency where the reign of the dinos have forced evacuations out of areas of California and invasive dino species upsetting ecosystems.
Are we going to see actual war raptors on the battlefield?
Will we see an extravagant Scarface-esque cartel boss with a pet dilophosaurus instead of a tiger?
Will that girl be revealed to actually be a raptor-human hybrid?