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What did they do to my homegirl???
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Why women criticise sexualised character designs (READ OP)
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What did they do to my homegirl???
I did not realize it just glancing at the render but watching the trailer it looks like the bra shirt has some underboob. She also looks really pale...
It's not a coincidence that so many gacha games have devolved into waifu collection. People who like this shit haves lots of disposable income - and they're reliable source of it, too, because the deeper they dig themselves into the otaku hole, the less likely they are to ever, well, grow up (and thus change their spending habits).
I really shouldn't expect anything less out of these assholes. -_-
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Now I'm imagining what Aggretsuko would be like if it was about women in the game industry. I want to see that now.
As for Talim, I don't really follow SC, I saw the comments and thought, "Always thought Talim was fairly modest, how bad can she be?"
Oh... Yikes...
This is very insulting to Hrist.Yeah... I'd almost say it's probably best to not search... what Square turned Lenneth into is... ugh.
Below is Hrist in the latest VP game.
I like Togashi's female designs. They're quite varied and cute/attractive, but usually never really hyper sexualized or done so in a way that's out of character. Pakunoda shows cleavage for example, but she's never seen as an incapable joke character and owns it as well, it's not demeaning trait for her.Chrono Trigger is an interesting example because it's Akira Toriyama. Toriyama is a self professed pervert and loves perverted jokes, but generally he's pretty tame with his female designs, especially if they're a main character.
Just recently with Dragon Ball Super we had Android 18 in a big fighting role and the outfit Toriyama chose for her was a track suit.
I find Toriyama's female designs very interesting considering that he's perverted and how many other modern Japanese artists go for titillation over function.
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In my (admittedly limited experience) this is not true at all. They're just as bad as Twitch chat if not worse.
So New Game?
15 year olds in thoooooongs.
Well underscore meaningful interaction. I suppose it depends on where you are but stuff like subscriber chat or member chat cuts through the fat. There are some sites where public chat is purely there for non-paying viewers and goes totally unseen by the people actually streaming and THOSE get real bad. But I suppose you have to pay to play and subscriber chats on twitch are also quite a bit better than open twitch chat.
OK. Seeing the larger image of Talim it is worse than I thought. She has a thin ribbon wrapped around her breasts? Really? I also noticed how pale she is but I think I'm almost given up at this point.
New Game is fun and cute but it doesn't really showcase any real frustrations or conflicts like Aggretsuko does. I mean something more like Aggretsuko where the lead has to struggle retaining her sanity while having to design and work on "anime tiddy" games.
I don't know if I've said this before but I'll say it again anyway.
This thread is an eye opener, it explains so much why I've dismissed so many games without even looking past promotional arts and why some pubs I bought their games like their were hot bread I barely look at their stuff anymore.
WTF have they done to the valkyries?
This thread is an eye opener, it explains so much why I've dismissed so many games without even looking past promotional arts and why some pubs I bought their games like their were hot bread I barely look at their stuff anymore.
WTF have they done to the valkyries?
Less sexualized (though skintight and stupid), but still an awful design unless you're a fan of the Nomura school of MORE BELTS AND STRAPS.
Freya's this creepy as fuck loli who makes me throw up in my mouth.
And then of course we have "the Pale Valkyrie" which is just... -_-
You know what Squenix, I'm good. Maybe don't make Valkyrie Profile games ever again.
NeoChaos and Mesoian it might just be simply being overly focused on Japan, the nation is extremely nationalist in a lot of ways (there's a whole cult of "fuck foreigners" of late). I could see the country refusing to look elsewhere while many markets in Asia are doing just that. And spinning the wheels is very much what the nation's plans seem like of late, that keeping the lights on isn't just overshadowing taking time and some amount of risk on quality. That old saying of, "the nail that stands out gets hammered down" seems to apply to their creative industries as well, and has just created a deluge of garbage.
Indeed. It's so tiresome to hear and see people remove themselves from civility because of some excuse.
Also, that 'arms thinner than my sword hilt' that remains a trend for drawing female warriors with freakish proportions. Heaven forbid they should look like they can actually swing their own kit.
Is that a 'immortal fertility goddess drawn as a preteen with a 'look at my arse and chest'? Jesus wept. Creepy.Freya's this creepy as fuck loli who makes me throw up in my mouth.
This.
Jesus Christ what the fuck Japan? Freya is prepostrous! And to make it worse it contradicts established canon because we've seen Freya before and she wasnt a fucking loli!Less sexualized (though skintight and stupid), but still an awful design unless you're a fan of the Nomura school of MORE BELTS AND STRAPS.
Freya's this creepy as fuck loli who makes me throw up in my mouth.
And then of course we have "the Pale Valkyrie" which is just... -_-
You know what Squenix, I'm good. Maybe don't make Valkyrie Profile games ever again.
NeoChaos and Mesoian it might just be simply being overly focused on Japan, the nation is extremely nationalist in a lot of ways (there's a whole cult of "fuck foreigners" of late). I could see the country refusing to look elsewhere while many markets in Asia are doing just that. And spinning the wheels is very much what the nation's plans seem like of late, that keeping the lights on isn't just overshadowing taking time and some amount of risk on quality. That old saying of, "the nail that stands out gets hammered down" seems to apply to their creative industries as well, and has just created a deluge of garbage.
Indeed. It's so tiresome to hear and see people remove themselves from civility because of some excuse.
Lenneth v3 isnt that bad, had it not been for the forced thigh gap it would actually be pretty decent.
That's absolutely terrifying. And repulsive.Freya's this creepy as fuck loli who makes me throw up in my mouth.
For comparisonFreya's this creepy as fuck loli who makes me throw up in my mouth.
The thing that gets me is the combination of an impractical-looking skimpy outfit (seriously, look at how many failure points there are on that outfit! She can have a wardrobe malfunction at any time!) with completely infantilised facial features - you could literally stick that face on a 5-year-old and it wouldn't look out of place. And yeah, it also combines with what we were talking about earlier with regards to representing the agency of a character. Nothing about that outfit looks like it'd be something she'd pick out for herself. It absolutely looks designed for male eyes when, really, she should be wearing something more like these:
(These kinds of outfits would look great with flowing cloth physics, too. Missed opportunities, I say.)
So very vexing. I wish I could expect better. I really do.
Less sexualized (though skintight and stupid), but still an awful design unless you're a fan of the Nomura school of MORE BELTS AND STRAPS.
Freya's this creepy as fuck loli who makes me throw up in my mouth.
And then of course we have "the Pale Valkyrie" which is just... -_-
You know what Squenix, I'm good. Maybe don't make Valkyrie Profile games ever again.
NeoChaos and Mesoian it might just be simply being overly focused on Japan, the nation is extremely nationalist in a lot of ways (there's a whole cult of "fuck foreigners" of late). I could see the country refusing to look elsewhere while many markets in Asia are doing just that. And spinning the wheels is very much what the nation's plans seem like of late, that keeping the lights on isn't just overshadowing taking time and some amount of risk on quality. That old saying of, "the nail that stands out gets hammered down" seems to apply to their creative industries as well, and has just created a deluge of garbage.
Indeed. It's so tiresome to hear and see people remove themselves from civility because of some excuse.
Yeah...Anatomia ruined the majority of the designs.
Star Ocean: Anamnesis uses the original designs for all of the Valkyrie Profile characters.
Well, you have to work with a premise that the woman working on such game don't like to design it. It's not because they're women that they'll have this thinking, which in Japan this is true for so many works (and industries) since so many women designers which are freelancers do that, in companies, in doujinshis or working as a mangaka/in the anime industry.
The major example that you all can recognize is the Bunny girl of Xenoblade 2 which was designed by a woman, which isn't the unique example on so many industries. Another major example is the fact that many women in the west completely despise feminism while others don't.
My point is, women think different from each other just like men and like/dislike different things than each other. It's not because they're women that they'll have the same thinking on a subject.
Oh I understand that. It was just a fun hypothetical idea. I was just imagining a concept that mixed New Game and Aggretsuko where the main leading woman wants to make awesome games with female characters she wants to be proud of but has to deal with her male superiors pushing for things like showing more skin, over the top breast physics and impractical clothing.
That is some deeply palpable irony.
New Game's about as representative of the industry as Sword Art Online is of future tech.
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Less sexualized (though skintight and stupid), but still an awful design unless you're a fan of the Nomura school of MORE BELTS AND STRAPS.
That one boob socket thing is beyond stupid. Damn, this would be a pretty nice design if it didn't have that and the showing thigh bit. Basically the left side of the design is good.:P
1) I think I need to make this clearer in case you misunderstood: I wasn't talking about women in general. When an average female youtuber streams games, she shouldn't have to put up with any such comments. However, when a youtuber's 'shtick' is to basically roleplay as a cam girl, comments such as 'nice ass' wouldn't be inappropriate imo. It was a hypothetical scenario, though. I don't know any such youtubers :)
2) In regards to the bolded: I want to reply to that sentence because it's an important issue to me: When a game makes you happy in any of all the myriads of ways there are, that's fine. But as soon as a game manages to 'give you a boner', it's being criticized and put in negative light. I won't go into detail as I dot intend to cause thread derail, but I firmly believe that a game that manages to sexually arouse actually deserves massive praise. Sexual pleasure is one of the most sought feelings there are, so we should be able to openly talk about it without calling someone 'pervert' or 'creep'. We're all adults and it's 2018. A game aking my dick hard' deserves as much recognition as a game that satisfies my hunger for looting, hit-feedback or speed. Tl;dr: There are circumstances/contexts where talking about one's boner would be appropriate, I think. - if this deserves its own thread, maybe a mod can extract this posting. Not necessary, though.
Oh, many new postings since tge one I replied to, sorry.
To add something new: I just watched the first episode of Isekai Maou. THAT was bad. Hypersexualized designs, jumping boobs in every scene, and even a 'funny' lengthy nesr-rape scene. It's all that's bad condensed into one anime episode.
To add something new: I just watched the first episode of Isekai Maou. THAT was bad. Hypersexualized designs, jumping boobs in every scene, and even a 'funny' lengthy nesr-rape scene. It's all that's bad condensed into one anime episode.
So I figured I'd post in this thread since my LTTP thread is deader than dead.
I'm currently playing through Metro Last Light and I'm so disappointed at the women representation in it. The first game didn't have any women at all that I remember, so when this game introduced Anna, who was badass and had a sensible design to boot, I felt like it was a tiny improvement over the original. Sure, she's a token strong female character but at least they are trying. Or so I thought.
Metro spoilers below:
You know, I think I liked the sausage fest from the first game better. Why even try to add women to the mix if this is the best you could come up with?
I'm currently playing through Metro Last Light and I'm so disappointed at the women representation in it. The first game didn't have any women at all that I remember, so when this game introduced Anna, who was badass and had a sensible design to boot, I felt like it was a tiny improvement over the original. Sure, she's a token strong female character but at least they are trying. Or so I thought.
Metro spoilers below:
You get separated from Anna like 10 minutes after her introduction. From then on, every other woman I've met in the game has been either:
-a burlesque dancer
-a stripper
-a prostitute
-any combination of the above
All of them share the same body model with giant, perky tits and tiny waists. You can pay to get a lap dance from a stripper.
And then, to add insult to injury, when you reunite with Anna she gets kidnapped immediately. AND THEN, when you rescue her, she has sex with you. Because of course she does.
-a burlesque dancer
-a stripper
-a prostitute
-any combination of the above
All of them share the same body model with giant, perky tits and tiny waists. You can pay to get a lap dance from a stripper.
And then, to add insult to injury, when you reunite with Anna she gets kidnapped immediately. AND THEN, when you rescue her, she has sex with you. Because of course she does.
You know, I think I liked the sausage fest from the first game better. Why even try to add women to the mix if this is the best you could come up with?
You are referring to women in general if you're going to reference things like an average female youtuber. You then make an argument about a specific individual who is pursuing a certain frame of reference (i.e., a camgirl). It's inappropriate if the individual Youtuber deems it so in the latter case, but when referring to the average it's inappropriate in a general scenario.
Basically, if you know the Youtuber is inviting those comments and you have some context for that, it's probably fine. But if you're just jumping into a random person's channel (camgirl or otherwise) and telling them nice ass (i.e., catcalling them), well, you deserve what you get if the comment is unwarranted.
Let's just agree that there are better ways to talk about one's sexual desires and gratification than referring to "their boner".
I think this game was the point at which I came to realize Squenix is the EA of Japan.
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Uh, I was still talking in the context of talking about women streaming or whatever and people feeling aroused by how they look or talk or any myriad of things. I don't care that much if someone wants to talk about something they thought was sexy in a game or any media, as long as it's an appropriate time/place to do so, but it's not uncommon for people to be really gross when trying to hit on women (especially online) and sort of making their arousal her problem.
One of the most blatant things about that Freya, to me, is the facial expression. Freya has always been depicted as kind of a stern looking woman:
Even the weird chibi doll version in Star Ocean 3 kind of has a stern expression. So the vacant loli "Oh...?" really adds to the whole infantilization aspect.
Even the weird chibi doll version in Star Ocean 3 kind of has a stern expression. So the vacant loli "Oh...?" really adds to the whole infantilization aspect.
More notes from Ys VIII- I'd forgotten about this bit. Halfway through the game you have a sidequest to escort a pretty young nun up a hill full of monsters. Naturally, about twenty metres in she decides to take the habit she's been wearing, and turn it into a short skirt (split to the waist to show off her thighs of course) and accompanied by high heels, because she doesn't want to 'slow you down.' Naturally she doesn't move any faster afterwards, and five minutes away is your village containing a professional tailor, smith and leather worker who have been making a variety of extravangant outdoorsy outfits, accessories and equipment for everyone out of the hundreds of wolves and other large mammals you've killed. Still, gotta hit that 'sexy nun' trope I suppose, it wasn't enough that she was young, slim, tall and pretty already. It's just a shame, she's quite bright and the most obvious thing to do would be to go back to the village and ask for a sensible hiking adaptation from the tailor rather than potentially destroy her only outfit.
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Just saw this on reddit....
The man who spent 620,000yen in FGO to get Illya wins raffle to meet and work with Mai Kadowaki(Illya's VA)
The man who spent 620,000yen in FGO to get Illya wins raffle to meet and work with Mai Kadowaki(Illya's VA)
Yeah. And don't forget that this game has clothing damage:
https://youtu.be/DRgKXz9mPRw?t=12m48s
Oh hi everyone. Did you know that Anime Expo is going on and there's a VR booth (out in the open )were people are taking turns fucking an inflatable doll?
Is that really her? From what I saw of the game, Freya looks exactly the same:Freya's this creepy as fuck loli who makes me throw up in my mouth.
It's kinda amusing just how much the original Freya artwork stands out compared to the new art.Is that really her? From what I saw of the game, Freya looks exactly the same:
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It's still a bash-worthy design on its own, to be fair.
Yar, it's very difficult to find story information for the game. Best I can surmise is that she's heavily implied to be some kind of an incarnation or different "version" of Freya. She has the same battle stance and everything.
The story's very weird and little makes much sense. I would like to refer to the original game or even history, but Norn were closer to Valkyries than actual "goddesses" in history, so the historical connections are pretty much removed entirely and Anatomia rewrites the canon very willy-nilly. The older games do not give Freya such an origin, or even a real origin at all - the actual Freya is generally considered to be timeless and ageless according to the previous video games (Anatomia's subtitle is "The Origin" though, so... yeah). Again, best I can surmise, Norn is Freya in some prototypical sense, as premised by the game.
The thing that's most confusing about "Norn" is that the terminology itself is not generally referencing a god in the historical texts, but rather a being tied to fate.
From wikipedia:
Basically, any time a "norn" is referenced in the historical context, it could technically refer to any woman of supernatural origin (i.e., the term isn't terribly specific).
The thing that's confusing about Freya and her connection to Norn in Anatomia is that in the context of the video games, Freya is not a goddess of fate (she is a goddess of creation and fertility). Now, the historical context of Freya however does present her as a goddess of fate, and as an extraordinarily powerful practitioner of magic, this includes magic that controls the fate of the world. So... the disconnect from Freya's canon is what I mean when I say Anatomia messes with stuff quite a bit. Granted, it's all a prequel so it's technically free to retcon stuff as it sees fit but...
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I've never met anyone that slept in their underwear in the office, so definitely no. :P
Yes, clearly knowing the name of the 1000 year old loli was the problem all along.
I'd recommend the original PSX version. The PSP version adds cutscenes which are pretty much all awful (it's Squenix and TOSE, wouldn't expect any less), it is missing some menuing options of the original, and some of the game is glitchy, particularly regarding Purify Weird Soul attacks (i.e., finishing attack FMVs). The android / iOS version is a port of the PSP version, so you'll have to deal with all that garbo and the awkwardness of touchscreen controls.
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I've been reading through this thread since the start of this year and I've finally decided to sign up here. I'd just like to say that this thread was quite eye-opening for me. I was fairly passive towards sexualised designs but after reading through this thread for several months, I just feel fustrated about how many games have them and how they actively work against charactersation ( a certain red-headed JRPG character for instance). And it just sucks how frequent it is, considering how my favourite genre is the JRPG.
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You know what I appreciate is in games when u get to pick whether to play as a man or a woman (Mass Effect, Asscreed Syndicate etc), the female character is treated the same as the male character by the narrative&camera and isn't sexualised at all. That's nice. (Although femShep having to deal with sexist buttholes in the year 2200 or whatever is some nonsense but whatever.)
That's a... rather optimistic view on things. You think sexism will be eradicated in only 200 years? ^^
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It's more like when I bitch about straight white dudes including sexism and rape in their fantasy stories for ~~realism. You can do literally fucking anything and instead you choose to import real world prejudices? Ok.
I don't actually have a problem with that per se, though I can see why it'd be aggravating. It really depends on the setting. For escapist fantasy, I'd pass. If one intends to portray a more grounded or realistic setting that closely matches our reality, depicting people being or acting in sexist manners can be an effective and powerful storytelling tool.
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I include sexism in my fantasy settings because I want to comment and express my frustration at the sexism I experience in real life. Straight cishet white dudes making their fantasy settings rape central for no reason just feels grody, idk.
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