Gran Turismo Sport Community Thread: Racing Leagues, Time Trials & More

yeah I never really had any major contacts in the first two seasons (not sure if I was lagging back then), and I don't consider myself an aggressive driver. I remember at Interlagos I was glued to prarts' butt for 40 whole minutes, no contact whatsoever.
It seems like I'm collecting them all now lol

I think when CLR is lapping you he makes it obvious where he wants to go which makes it easy to get out of his way. Some of the other guys were more likely to slipstream until the last second which can panic you a bit and lead to bad situations.

Looking at the vids it looks like lag is the big contributor in this - also as you are fighting for position Sejanoz is going to want to stay behind and get the most slipstream before diving out, and not telegraph his intentions. So I can see it from both sides, personally if I had a quicker guy in close proximity whilst I was heading into a hard braking zone I would be keeping an eye on my mirror whilst turning in just in case they went for a dive up the inside.

Honestly looks like a racing incident to me, exacerbated by lag.

Are we really doing this? Bringing in video to use against other players?

JamboGT said:

Honestly looks like a racing incident to me, exacerbated by lag.

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Lack of peripheral vision doesn't help either.

DHC-Shannow said:

I think when CLR is lapping you he makes it obvious where he wants to go which makes it easy to get out of his way. Some of the other guys were more likely to slipstream until the last second which can panic you a bit and lead to bad situations.

Looking at the vids it looks like lag is the big contributor in this - also as you are fighting for position Sejanoz is going to want to stay behind and get the most slipstream before diving out, and not telegraph his intentions. So I can see it from both sides, personally if I had a quicker guy in close proximity whilst I was heading into a hard braking zone I would be keeping an eye on my mirror whilst turning in just in case they went for a dive up the inside.

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See, I didn't really even consider us to be "fighting for position" yet. This was lap 2, after the horrible the first lap. I was just trying to settle into a rhythm and catch up with the group ahead (and was, until that happened). Sejanoz got a draft on me and decided to have a go. But again, the article I posted sums my feelings on those late passes: if you as the passer aren't up side-by-side with or ahead of the car you're trying to pass at corner entry, it's your responsibility as the passer to back off.

And passing at that chicane is just higher risk, which means you are risking the other person's race as well as your own. Could've waited until the right-hander or drafted past me on the straight. I think we collectively did a fairly good job of waiting for the right opportunity with the mixed-league racing; I'm not sure why races this season have become more do-or-die (speaking collectively, not anyone in particular).

BradleyLove said:

Are we really doing this? Bringing in video to use against other players?

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Hey, I didn't even name anyone originally and didn't want to; Sejanoz spoke up and said it was him, so the discussion started. I didn't post video to make a legal case, but to show the incident from both perspectives and have a discussion based on factual evidence rather than vague statements. I think it's been helpful to know where we're all coming from.

Sejanoz said:

Anyway lag must have also played a part with the contact, because it didn't seem that bad. I launched you on the other side of the track lol.

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Ha yeah, the physics system is not great in this game. Cars often feel like billiard balls, it's like the cars don't actually have much weight.

I would honestly have no trepidation licking and sending a pass into that corner, it's the first braking point after the longest straight on the track, it's THE passing point on the track if anything, especially with a bit of a slipstream. Contact still sucks for those involved of course.

I also recommend the radar as well when not racing with fuel use on, helps with those moments when you aren't sure where people are, as Bradley said the lack of peripheral vision doesn't help either.

I've decided to drop out of the league. It's clear from reading your replies that most of you have a different concept of league racing than I wanted out of friendly, respectful, chill, no drama races here at Era. So it's better that I drop out than continuing to get stressed by the races and complaining when I'm obviously in the minority of opinion, because I definitely don't need additional stress in my life right now. Best of luck to the rest of you.

eyeball_kid said:

I've decided to drop out of the league. It's clear from reading your replies that most of you have a different concept of league racing than I wanted out of friendly, respectful, chill, no drama races here at Era. So it's better that I drop out than continuing to get stressed by the races and complaining when I'm obviously in the minority of opinion, because I definitely don't need additional stress in my life right now. Best of luck to the rest of you.

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Balls :-( Dude no one wants you to drop out or feel stressed by the racing. Please stick with the league and continue racing, you're part of the crew and we don't want you to go!

eyeball_kid said:

I've decided to drop out of the league. It's clear from reading your replies that most of you have a different concept of league racing than I wanted out of friendly, respectful, chill, no drama races here at Era. So it's better that I drop out than continuing to get stressed by the races and complaining when I'm obviously in the minority of opinion, because I definitely don't need additional stress in my life right now. Best of luck to the rest of you.

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Hey don't do that. Please rethink. This league is a work in progress, we'll get it right eventually. Everyone has been asking the question why have attitudes changed since season 1. Is it because without pits and tyre wear we spend more time in the vicinity of others? Shorter races mean more aggression? I also suspect that as we all get to know each other we're more comfortable with each other and probably take a few more liberties than maybe we should. Stick with it bro the league is a better place for having you in it

Thing is i'm not even sure that a formation lap will help, people will still go in hot I think. I'm thinking that damage is probably the best route but that does also mean the victim is going to be stitched up too.

Okay guys. Whats a good time to get around the Tokyo track in the open wheel Honda? I'm hearing 1:25ish but that might be a push for me I have come down from 1:35 to 1:28 in 2 practice sessions though so you never know :-)

Well, I don't necessarily want to drop out, but I'm skeptical that punitive measures will work if most people here chalk up the last race to racing incidents where no one was really at fault. If the majority opinion is that things like dropping into corners late are acceptable maneuvers, then it's just going to continue to lead to collisions even if penalties or damage are applied. And I don't want to try to change minds if the majority of you are fine with that kind of racing. That's cool if that's what you want, I just can't be a part of it because I am too piled on with my own stress right now, don't need it from a game. I was basically in a bad mood all Sunday from that last race. I just had a more clean, respectful FIA race with randoms than I did on DT, and that's the opposite of what I wanted from our races.

Any chance I could get lobby settings in particular wall collision penalties Weak or Strong? and Time of day for the Tokyo race please

GHG said:

Wall collisions strong, TOD will be the night time one.

I've had no time to practice for the next race and struggle to see where I will get the time before it takes place so I will be winging it :)

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Thanks

Hey all, I am in Ireland this weekend and Scotland next weekend... will put me out of contention but still happy to rejoin when I get back if that is ok!

I'm still in France this weekend so it's doubtful I'll manage to get on either, just so frustrating :-(

Okay now just to sabotage CLR, Mitch and Sejanoz and the rest of us can scrap it out for a victory ;-)

@GHG

I'd like to join the race tomorrow if possible :)

I finally have the time again to race on sundays. Later than expected but such is life.

Oghuz said:

@GHG

I'd like to join the race tomorrow if possible :)

I finally have the time again to race on sundays. Later than expected but such is life.

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It'll definitely be possible bud.Good to have you back

Fifanutz said:

It'll definitely be possible bud.Good to have you back

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GHG said:

Come join us! Good to have you back :)

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Thanks guys. Good to be back!

Now all that's left to do is dust off my wheel and hope I haven't gotten too rusty :D

Was fun last night although a constant battle with grip and track penalties.

GHG , were the Honda and the KTM supposed to be close in performance? Because it seems like the X-Bow was pretty OP :-(

GHG said:

Yes, but I can't account for people extracting performance from cars that I didn't think was there :P

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:-D

GHG said:

I think I also fucked up the track in the graphics as after checking the time trials I did back when I was testing for this season it turns out we were meant to do the other short Tokyo configuration (I think it's the same track in reverse)...

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It's not the same track in reverse actually (which is cool btw), but it's so similar that the performance difference would most likely still be there...

My first race was alright. I built up a big enough gap from the rest of the pack that my two massive spins didn't comprise my 2nd place finish. 2nd race was a disaster though. For some reason I was pinballing all over the track and spent more time trying to scrub penalties than I did racing.

Still, those Hondas are great fun.

The first race was fun but the second race GT was acting crazy again. In the second race I only ever saw GHG and Abandonedtrolley. Everyone had left the lobby right after the first race. Weird.

Oghuz said:

The first race was fun but the second race GT was acting crazy again. In the second race I only ever saw GHG and Abandonedtrolley. Everyone had left the lobby right after the first race. Weird.

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Yeah was strange last night, think I had a third place qualifying lap and then was booted about a minute before the end, as when I got back GHG announced 30 secs left so no time to get a lap in :(

AbandonedTrolley said:

Yeah was strange last night, think I had a third place qualifying lap and then was booted about a minute before the end, as when I got back GHG announced 30 secs left so no time to get a lap in :(

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I felt for you, man. You put in a great quali lap.

GHG said:

Yeh I realised my mistake last night when I joined Fifanutz's pre race lobby and thought to myself "I know I had a heavy night last night, but it feels like I've literally never driven this track before", and it turns out I was right lol.

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LOL

BradleyLove said:

My first race was alright. I built up a big enough gap from the rest of the pack that my two massive spins didn't comprise my 2nd place finish. 2nd race was a disaster though. For some reason I was pinballing all over the track and spent more time trying to scrub penalties than I did racing.

Still, those Hondas are great fun.

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They are great fun aren't they. I think I just needed a couple more laps in race 1 to put pressure on you, I was just finding my groove.
You played your cards close to your chest in practice 15 secs behind me. Didn't think you'd be a threat then you whipped straight past me on the grid.. I really need to sort out my starts

It seems we found a nice balance last night. Everyone was scrapping with the walls instead of each other! :-)

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They are great fun aren't they. I think I just needed a couple more laps in race 1 to put pressure on you, I was just finding my groove.
You played your cards close to your chest in practice 15 secs behind me. Didn't think you'd be a threat then you whipped straight past me on the grid.. I really need to sort out my starts

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To be honest, I was struggling in practice but really found a groove in race 1 (big spins aside). Race 2 the groove was nowhere to be found. Funny how that happens.

Apologies to anyone I held up. I wasn't trying to block anyone, just trying to keep that f-ing weed trimmer from hitting any walls. The fact that GHG came in and blew past me without ever having driven the track before was a bit depressing. I have to do tons of prep to even have a chance of being somewhere near the rest of you.

eyeball_kid I know that feeling all too well I have to do tons of prep too. I enjoy it though and I just accept even when I think I've done really well some people will swoop in having done the bare minimum and just be faster than me.
So with this I'm mind and Interlagos up next in a car I've until today barely drove 10 miles in. What is a decent time to be putting in. I started at 1:39 I'm down to 36s after 6 laps but thinking the extrs week practice might come in handy COME ON ENGLAND :-)

Nurburgring track is kicking my ass, can't even get the bronze, i've tried like 15 times already.

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eyeball_kid I know that feeling all too well I have to do tons of prep too. I enjoy it though and I just accept even when I think I've done really well some people will swoop in having done the bare minimum and just be faster than me.
So with this I'm mind and Interlagos up next in a car I've until today barely drove 10 miles in. What is a decent time to be putting in. I started at 1:39 I'm down to 36s after 6 laps but thinking the extrs week practice might come in handy COME ON ENGLAND :-)

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Just did a few laps in the Red Bull and had the same progression, best so far is a 1:36.5.

I had to turn down my steering sensitivity one notch because it was just too twitchy at 5 on a controller. Took some getting used to the camera being so low also. Handles well though, if only the other MR cars were this stable.

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Just did a few laps in the Red Bull and had the same progression, best so far is a 1:36.5.

I had to turn down my steering sensitivity one notch because it was just too twitchy at 5 on a controller. Took some getting used to the camera being so low also. Handles well though, if only the other MR cars were this stable.

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Nice one. I haven't had to change anything on the wheel it drives lovely straight out of the box and the view hasn't been an issue for me. I have had a few violent spins when trying to get power down out of corners. I need to nail the first chicane consistently and the final corner before the start finish straight. Best time so far 1:35.4

Just a reminder GHG that I'm in Tunisia this weekend so won't make the race.

Well this is annoying, I've got back from France to find that using my backup PS4 has reduced my experience level, lost me 3 million cash, reduced my mileage wallet and lost all the cars I'd bought since last time I used it :-( Just had to do an event to get enough cash to buy the junior red bull which I already owned. Nice one PD :-(

So, here's my report of last night's sprint event—the Red Bull Junior @ Interlagos

Race 1 I quali'd something like 5th which given I couldn't get to grips with the RB Jr I was quite happy with. I thought I'd got quite a clean start and made it through the Senna S unscathed. Unfortunately cooldawn gave me a little love-tap on Opposite Straight that sent me off-track and put me dead last and a few seconds behind a battling cooldawn/ eyeball_kid . So naturally I started pushing past my limits and did myself in the Senna S, putting myself 9 seconds behind. But then something a little weird happened—the car started to click. I managed to get into a groove and close up to within .5 seconds behind eyeball. I had a fair few laps trying to get past eyeball without any luck, he was driving some superb defence and ultimately it took the smallest of mistakes for me to finally get past. At this point I still had a couple of seconds to make up to catch cooldawn, which eventually I did, but I really want to point out how cooldawn moved out of my way and slowed down so I could overtake. Super sportsmanship from cooldawn — thanks man. So ended up finishing 5th.

Race 2 I started 3rd and managed to get a early pass on cooldawn but a similar story to race 1 evolved—I was a few seconds behind eyeball_kid who was again doing some great defensive driving. Unfortunately for him, but not for me, eyeball made the tiniest of mistakes that allowed me to take the lead. Of course I knew it was only a matter of time until CLR_CMOS would be on my ass but I did manage to hold him off for a couple of laps, but all it took was one tiny mistake for CLR to fly past and start putting some serious distance between himself and me. The next problem, however, was DHC-Shannow hooning it behind me and I knew that a single tiny mistake would do me. Next thing DHC suffered "mechanical failure" which was great for me—not so much for DHC. I was feeling quite comfortable with half the race to go, I had 5 seconds on GHG but after two awful laps that was down to .5 seconds. Needless to say Mitch got me and so I dropped to 3rd but I managed to stay within a second of Mitch and keep the pressure on. Fortunately Mitch bottled it last lap (lol) so I managed to take 2nd.

By the end of the races I started to enjoy the RB Jr. as I understood how to drive it better. I tend to struggle round Interlagos too, so all in all I'm very happy with the result.

We do need more people for the Sunday night races so if anyone wants to join us, lots of spaces left.

Just watched both these races to see what actually happened. Was wondering why cooldawn gave you position particularly as it was final lap in race 1. I have to agree great defensive driving by eyeball_kid in race 1 and superb drive by you BradleyLove under pressure from CLR_CMOS in race 2

Yeah, from my vantage point at the start of race 1 it looked like quite a scrap in front of me with you and cooldawn, I was just praying I didn't get caught up in it. Fantastic job BradleyLove to come back from that 9 second gap. And thanks, I thought I had 5th in the bag and was determined not to let it slip away. But slip away it did. I think I caught up to you and cooldawn on the final lap but I had 4 seconds of track limit penalties and that race was done.

Race 2 was just awful for me. Once I started seeing multiple cars in my mirror I started pushing too hard and lost it. Had a couple of bad offs that did in any chances I had. Thought about quitting but soldiered on in last.

Next up Alsace... If I remember correctly last time we raced here I was about 5 secs a lap off DHC-Shannow :-(

BradleyLove , well defended ;-)

So had my 1st little practice at Alsace in the rally cars. No idea what a good time is but having got to grips with the cars they are quite fun to drive. I prefer the Evo and have got my time down to the 2:00 mark I reckon that's probably 4-5 secs off the pace