Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now

Kyle Cross · Jul 3, 2018

I'm definitely not getting an 8k TV for a very long time for one reason alone; You want content in your displays native resolution. Upscaling always softens the image, so having to run games at 8k to get that natural sharpness would be hell. I'm struggling today to even get most games to run well at 4k and I wish I could lower the resolution without sacrificing native sharpness, but alas only a handful of games have in-game resolution scaling that lets you have the best of both worlds. Even 5 years from now native 8k gaming with decent settings is going to be out of the question.

Madness · Jul 3, 2018

edo_kid said:
I just got a Sony x850f and is the first time I see a game in 4k and hdr. Wow shit is crazy specially hdr, God of War looks so good.

Do you guys use game mode on 4k TV? Image looks let's say wash out for me when compare to other modes where the color pop more.

Game mode gives you the best input lag. As for HDR, keep in mind due to the nature of static HDR metadata and how HDR is achieved, you may need to tinker with HDR to your liking. What you may see as washed out is actually brightness and contrast turned up to highlight luminance and bright details. Play around with Brightness and color but remember HDR isn't about oversaturation. If reference D65 isn't your goal you can also tinker with Live Color and Adv. Contrast enhancer etc.

guitarguy316 said:
My dad just got a Sony X900E on clearance in the US. I'm looking to get him setup with the basics on SDR and HDR picture modes...I've seen Custom, Cinema Pro, and Cinema Home referenced across various sites.

Seeing what does anyone here with this TV use for movies and TV in SDR and HDR? I just went to custom and turned everything off as a starting point.

Cinema Pro on Sony is by default their base closest to D65. Cinema Home utilizes live color and contrast enhancers to brighten the image and make color pop for daytime or bright usage over cinema pro. Again, like above, it depends on what you or your pops prefer ie. D65 reference etc.

Deleted member 1062 · Jul 3, 2018

Klotera said:
There are some limitations on what TVs will passthrough to ARC, primarily 5.1 PCM audio (which is what the ATV outputs),

you can force the Apple TV to convert everything to bitstream DD 5.1

RainbowIslands · Jul 3, 2018

Kyle Cross said:
I'm definitely not getting an 8k TV for a very long time for one reason alone; You want content in your displays native resolution. Upscaling always softens the image, so having to run games at 8k to get that natural sharpness would be hell. I'm struggling today to even get most games to run well at 4k and I wish I could lower the resolution without sacrificing native sharpness, but alas only a handful of games have in-game resolution scaling that lets you have the best of both worlds. Even 5 years from now native 8k gaming with decent settings is going to be out of the question.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's only for non-integer upscales though, right? When you use exactly 4 pixels to represent one pixel, there is no softening. The best part about 8K is that it integer upscales 1440p (exactly 3x or 9 pixel = 1), so it won't soften the image like 1440p -> 4k. 8K also integer scales everything 4k integer scales too.

RedlineRonin · Jul 3, 2018

RainbowIslands said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's only for non-integer upscales though, right? When you use exactly 4 pixels to represent one pixel, there is no softening. The best part about 8K is that it integer upscales 1440p (exactly 3x or 9 pixel = 1), so it won't soften the image like 1440p -> 4k. 8K also integer scales everything 4k integer scales too.

This is good info

Bumrush · Jul 3, 2018

RainbowIslands said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's only for non-integer upscales though, right? When you use exactly 4 pixels to represent one pixel, there is no softening. The best part about 8K is that it integer upscales 1440p (exactly 3x or 9 pixel = 1), so it won't soften the image like 1440p -> 4k. 8K also integer scales everything 4k integer scales too.

Great point

Waffle · Jul 3, 2018

My replacement Q9FN set just came in. I can't set it up til my partner comes home so we can mount it, but just thinking about it stresses me out, this being the 4th set and all. Fingers crossed!

SOLDIER · Jul 3, 2018

Hey all, I was hoping you could assist me again. I don't know if I have a potential problem or not or if I'm being stupidly paranoid, but I noticed something about my C8 and was wondering if anyone could tell me whether or not it's an issue.

When the TV is on and the picture is black (like say, when a console is turning on or if you just have the TV on but not displaying anything), I noticed there are some visibly vertical lines, namely on the right side of the screen. I tried taking photos as best I could...I don't know what the best method is for taking a picture without having the flash glare up the screen, but here are three where I think you can see what I'm talking about:

https://abload.de/img/img_171758sew.jpg
https://abload.de/img/img_1720b4sy1.jpg
https://abload.de/img/img_1721uws33.jpg

Coincidentally, I was planning to go to Best Buy tomorrow for a couple of errands, and was wondering whether this warrants an exchange or not.

But to add to that, I'm also thinking of returning the C8 and getting the Q9FN. It may be a pricier and bigger model, but I'm also getting a little fed up with the high maintenance of OLED. The fear of possible burn-in vs zero burn-in, plus deep in my heart I know I'm the type who prefers a brighter and more vivid image vs a dim but "accurate" one. This isn't to say I'm not satisfied with the C8's picture, I certainly am, but considering what I mostly do with the set (gaming and anime), I think maybe I should return to the LCD bandwagon.

But I need three specific questions sorted before I make a decision:

1. Based on the above photos, does my OLED have an issue?

2. Is the Q9FN still overall the better choice for me?

3. What are the other (cheaper) LCDs that are comparable to the Q9FN?

Waffle said:
My replacement Q9FN set just came in. I can't set it up til my partner comes home so we can mount it, but just thinking about it stresses me out, this being the 4th set and all. Fingers crossed!

That's odd timing. What issues were you having with the set?

Hero_of_the_Day · Jul 3, 2018

Nevermind

RedlineRonin · Jul 3, 2018

Hero_of_the_Day said:
Not totally TV related. But, I was wanting to move all my A/V equipment away from my TV. Bought an IR repeater or whatever the fuck you call them. Got it today and it won't work with either my Blu-ray player or receiver. Anyone have any tips on finding one that will, or do you just have to buy blind and hope you get one that works with your shit?

Can you link what you bought

Kyle Cross · Jul 3, 2018

RainbowIslands said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's only for non-integer upscales though, right? When you use exactly 4 pixels to represent one pixel, there is no softening. The best part about 8K is that it integer upscales 1440p (exactly 3x or 9 pixel = 1), so it won't soften the image like 1440p -> 4k. 8K also integer scales everything 4k integer scales too.

So what's the highest resolution I can get under 4k that would scale to 4k without softening?

Waffle · Jul 3, 2018

SOLDIER said:
Hey all, I was hoping you could assist me again. I don't know if I have a potential problem or not or if I'm being stupidly paranoid, but I noticed something about my C8 and was wondering if anyone could tell me whether or not it's an issue.

When the TV is on and the picture is black (like say, when a console is turning on or if you just have the TV on but not displaying anything), I noticed there are some visibly vertical lines, namely on the right side of the screen. I tried taking photos as best I could...I don't know what the best method is for taking a picture without having the flash glare up the screen, but here are three where I think you can see what I'm talking about:

https://abload.de/img/img_171758sew.jpg
https://abload.de/img/img_1720b4sy1.jpg
https://abload.de/img/img_1721uws33.jpg

Coincidentally, I was planning to go to Best Buy tomorrow for a couple of errands, and was wondering whether this warrants an exchange or not.

But to add to that, I'm also thinking of returning the C8 and getting the Q9FN. It may be a pricier and bigger model, but I'm also getting a little fed up with the high maintenance of OLED. The fear of possible burn-in vs zero burn-in, plus deep in my heart I know I'm the type who prefers a brighter and more vivid image vs a dim but "accurate" one. This isn't to say I'm not satisfied with the C8's picture, I certainly am, but considering what I mostly do with the set (gaming and anime), I think maybe I should return to the LCD bandwagon.

But I need three specific questions sorted before I make a decision:

1. Based on the above photos, does my OLED have an issue?

2. Is the Q9FN still overall the better choice for me?

3. What are the other (cheaper) LCDs that are comparable to the Q9FN?

That's odd timing. What issues were you having with the set?

I posted my experience with the Q9FN earlier. Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now

If you're getting a Q9FN, I hope you have better luck than I'm having.

Jeremiah · Jul 3, 2018

SOLDIER said:
Hey all, I was hoping you could assist me again. I don't know if I have a potential problem or not or if I'm being stupidly paranoid, but I noticed something about my C8 and was wondering if anyone could tell me whether or not it's an issue.

When the TV is on and the picture is black (like say, when a console is turning on or if you just have the TV on but not displaying anything), I noticed there are some visibly vertical lines, namely on the right side of the screen. I tried taking photos as best I could...I don't know what the best method is for taking a picture without having the flash glare up the screen, but here are three where I think you can see what I'm talking about:

https://abload.de/img/img_171758sew.jpg
https://abload.de/img/img_1720b4sy1.jpg
https://abload.de/img/img_1721uws33.jpg

Coincidentally, I was planning to go to Best Buy tomorrow for a couple of errands, and was wondering whether this warrants an exchange or not.

But to add to that, I'm also thinking of returning the C8 and getting the Q9FN. It may be a pricier and bigger model, but I'm also getting a little fed up with the high maintenance of OLED. The fear of possible burn-in vs zero burn-in, plus deep in my heart I know I'm the type who prefers a brighter and more vivid image vs a dim but "accurate" one. This isn't to say I'm not satisfied with the C8's picture, I certainly am, but considering what I mostly do with the set (gaming and anime), I think maybe I should return to the LCD bandwagon.

But I need three specific questions sorted before I make a decision:

1. Based on the above photos, does my OLED have an issue?

2. Is the Q9FN still overall the better choice for me?

3. What are the other (cheaper) LCDs that are comparable to the Q9FN?

That's odd timing. What issues were you having with the set?

1) This looks like banding. Based on your picture, it honestly looks okay. Not good, but also not bad. After around 50-100 hours of use it should be less visible by about 20-40%. If you can see it in content, and it bugs you, then yeah, definitely swap it out. Banding is a literally on the OLED though.
2) Only you can decide which picture you prefer, so on that front, I think it's worth trying. But if you fear burn-in, to the point where you are thinking about it even now, then definitely, I recommend 100% going LCD.
3) Hmm, I would check out the ZD9...

Deleted member 1003 · Jul 3, 2018

I have done it. It's official.

I have purchased the TCL R615 55 inch.

Bumrush · Jul 3, 2018

Was going to say the Z9D as well...

Waffle · Jul 3, 2018

Yeah that banding doesn't seem that bad at least in the picture. Do you see that while viewing regular content?

Deleted member 35478 · Jul 3, 2018

Bumrush said:
Was going to say the Z9D as well...

Pretty much the only LCD to consider if you're after a comparable set to OLED and want LCD.

Hero_of_the_Day · Jul 3, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
Can you link what you bought

I actually got it working! The repeaters or whatever have to be damn exact. Once my wife got home and was able to help, I managed it. Fucking awesome.

Kadey · Jul 3, 2018

Good HDR makes the biggest difference. I would say it's like night and day to me.

SOLDIER · Jul 3, 2018

Waffle said:
Yeah that banding doesn't seem that bad st least in tv picture. Do you see that while viewing regular content?

At present I do not. Is banding anything like clouding from an LCD? I remember freaking out about that back in the day (I traded my LCD in to Circuit City three times) until I learned it was a natural lighting thing that didn't actually effect the picture.

Is this the same idea? I only worried if it was indictive of a larger looming problem, or something that shouldn't be there at all. If it's a perfectly normal thing for OLEDs then that quells my worries, unless I should maybe exchange it just to be on the safe side (but hopefully it won't come to that).

Bumrush said:
Was going to say the Z9D as well...

It's definitely cheaper but how does it stack up to the C8 and Q9FN?

I mainly worry that I'll be spoiled after two OLEDs. When I had the E6 I tried the (at the time) nearest Samsung LCD competitor. I ultimately chose to keep the E6 instead. I might repeat history in this instance, but I don't mind checking to make sure...I can always just return the one I choose not to keep.

Edit: Oh snap the Z9D has 3D? That sounds promising.

Double Edit: So this is a 2016 model? How does it stack up to today's sets? I mainly just want to know the pros and cons.

Waffle · Jul 3, 2018

Are you freaking kidding me Samsung??

This is going to be a fun trip to Best Buy as I probably won't take lightly to them accusing me of doing something shady after having to go through this multiple times.

Deleted member 35478 · Jul 3, 2018

SOLDIER said:
At present I do not. Is banding anything like clouding from an LCD? I remember freaking out about that back in the day (I traded my LCD in to Circuit City three times) until I learned it was a natural lighting thing that didn't actually effect the picture.

Is this the same idea? I only worried if it was indictive of a larger looming problem, or something that shouldn't be there at all. If it's a perfectly normal thing for OLEDs then that quells my worries, unless I should maybe exchange it just to be on the safe side (but hopefully it won't come to that).

It's definitely cheaper but how does it stack up to the C8 and Q9FN?

I mainly worry that I'll be spoiled after two OLEDs. When I had the E6 I tried the (at the time) nearest Samsung LCD competitor. I ultimately chose to keep the E6 instead. I might repeat history in this instance, but I don't mind checking to make sure...I can always just return the one I choose not to keep.

Edit: Oh snap the Z9D has 3D? That sounds promising.

Double Edit: So this is a 2016 model? How does it stack up to today's sets? I mainly just want to know the pros and cons.

Just stay away from Samsung.

https://youtu.be/ps-JIttlB8c

SOLDIER · Jul 3, 2018

Superkamikazee said:
Pretty much the only LCD to consider if you're after a comparable set to OLED and want LCD.

Are LCD and QLED the same thing? Is the Z9D part of the latter category?

Deleted member 14649 · Jul 3, 2018

SOLDIER said:
At present I do not. Is banding anything like clouding from an LCD? I remember freaking out about that back in the day (I traded my LCD in to Circuit City three times) until I learned it was a natural lighting thing that didn't actually effect the picture.

Is this the same idea? I only worried if it was indictive of a larger looming problem, or something that shouldn't be there at all. If it's a perfectly normal thing for OLEDs then that quells my worries, unless I should maybe exchange it just to be on the safe side (but hopefully it won't come to that).

Have you tried running a manual compensation cycle (clear panel noise)?

Deleted member 4346 · Jul 3, 2018

No42.05W70.2 said:
It hasn't been clear since the Z9D years ago, and since then more models with more zones have been percolating into the market. When you compare dark scenes with a flagship like Q9 or Z9D, you're talking about isolated cases where they can't match a good OLED. Not a clear advantage one way or the other.

I strongly disagree with this. It's immediately obvious in dark room/blacked out viewing, and not just worst-case scenarios like star fields. The Z9D is the worst offender; it can only produce a dark gray black level, approximately equal to the 2011 Panasonic plasmas or the non-flagship Samsung plasmas, although the Sony has a good local dimming solution that does a pretty good job of preserving highlight brightness unlike Samsung or Vizio.

Even in average viewing situations, OLED will pop more. Your eye can't distinguish "true black" versus a compromised black in a lot of scenes but side-by-side the OLED's contrast still wins out IMO.

Porsche said:
The "Wall" is not a consumer display and there is no consumer mLED on the horizon. It's literally vaporware and Samsung marketing.

Panel technology means everything. The raw ingredients to good picture haven't changed since CRT or plasma. OLED gives perfect black, so the dynamic range is already extremely "high" to begin with. This is something that is always lost in these peak nits discussions. Hell, a freaking Pioneer Kuro 500m will have a shit load more "dynamic range" and pop than even the best LCD, even if that LCD meets HDR "standards".

OLED's only area for improvement at this point is getting motion handling on par with or better than CRT/plasma. But that will require new OLED panel tech. Processing tricks aren't going to solve that.

I agree with this post but it should be pointed out that the Samsung Q9FN with local dimming can finally hit black levels near 9G Pioneer Kuro (not 500M tweaked levels) at the expense of dimming highlights and a non-reference image.

SOLDIER said:
Hey all, I was hoping you could assist me again. I don't know if I have a potential problem or not or if I'm being stupidly paranoid, but I noticed something about my C8 and was wondering if anyone could tell me whether or not it's an issue.

When the TV is on and the picture is black (like say, when a console is turning on or if you just have the TV on but not displaying anything), I noticed there are some visibly vertical lines, namely on the right side of the screen. I tried taking photos as best I could...I don't know what the best method is for taking a picture without having the flash glare up the screen, but here are three where I think you can see what I'm talking about:

https://abload.de/img/img_171758sew.jpg
https://abload.de/img/img_1720b4sy1.jpg
https://abload.de/img/img_1721uws33.jpg

Coincidentally, I was planning to go to Best Buy tomorrow for a couple of errands, and was wondering whether this warrants an exchange or not.

But to add to that, I'm also thinking of returning the C8 and getting the Q9FN. It may be a pricier and bigger model, but I'm also getting a little fed up with the high maintenance of OLED. The fear of possible burn-in vs zero burn-in, plus deep in my heart I know I'm the type who prefers a brighter and more vivid image vs a dim but "accurate" one. This isn't to say I'm not satisfied with the C8's picture, I certainly am, but considering what I mostly do with the set (gaming and anime), I think maybe I should return to the LCD bandwagon.

But I need three specific questions sorted before I make a decision:

1. Based on the above photos, does my OLED have an issue?

2. Is the Q9FN still overall the better choice for me?

3. What are the other (cheaper) LCDs that are comparable to the Q9FN?

That's odd timing. What issues were you having with the set?

1. Your OLED banding is within the normal range.

2. The Q9FN cannot produce a reference-quality image. It outperforms any other LCD in contrast performance and motion handling but you'll have to pay a price for that.

3. There aren't any. The Sony Z9D has substandard black level performance and its input lag isn't in any way competitive with modern displays.

Maybe bring the Q9FN home and see if you can live with it? You can see in videos how it compromises image quality but without a side-by-side comparison you may be able to live with it.

Crazymoogle · Jul 4, 2018

SOLDIER said:
Are LCD and QLED the same thing? Is the Z9D part of the latter category?

Z9D is a LED display. Samsung's QLED is named because they use a quantum dot painting technology to improve backlight output. It sounds like the longterm plan for Samsung is to apply this to OLED (so, QOLED). In principle QLED should always be brighter than LED but of course it also depends on the screen array, backlight quality and array, etc.

All modern LCD displays are LED - in the past, LCDs used a lamp backlight system (such as fluorescent) as opposed to LED lights. OLED skips the idea of a backlight entirely because the subpixels themselves are light-emitting.

SOLDIER · Jul 4, 2018

If the banding is normal then that's the end of my pondering.

It doesn't sound like even the top QLED can match up so I think I'm finally settled in on the C8.

Deleted member 4346 · Jul 4, 2018

SOLDIER said:
If the banding is normal then that's the end of my pondering.

It doesn't sound like even the top QLED can match up so I think I'm finally settled in on the C8.

The level of banding that you are seeing won't be evident in most content IMO. What's your white screen performance like? If that's fine then I'd just sit on what you have.

dsk1210 · Jul 4, 2018

Waffle said:
Are you freaking kidding me Samsung??

This is going to be a fun trip to Best Buy as I probably won't take lightly to them accusing me of doing something shady after having to go through this multiple times.

Is that a fly or spider in there?

Powerofthecloud · Jul 4, 2018

LOL so I tried playing assassins creed origins on my b7a on my xbox x. 30 fps is a big nope here. Micro stutter or motion resolution is absolutely horrible when panning especially with brighter items in hdr mode. I love the contrast and black levels but looks like this is going to be pc only type deal for most games for me. =(

I looked a around to see if this was just me being crazy but avsforum members seem to be on the same page.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-o...general/2939234-30-fps-gaming-worse-oled.html

Jeremiah · Jul 4, 2018

Powerofthecloud said:
LOL so I tried playing assassins creed origins on my b7a on my xbox x. 30 fps is a big nope here. Micro stutter or motion resolution is absolutely horrible when panning especially with brighter items in hdr mode. I love the contrast and black levels but looks like this is going to be pc only type deal for most games for me. =(

I looked a around to see if this was just me being crazy but avsforum members seem to be on the same page.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-o...general/2939234-30-fps-gaming-worse-oled.html

Yeah, I feel you. My PS4 and Switch have become exclusive machines. Sony's first party output employ a healthy dose of motion blur in their 30 fps games that mask the stutter pretty well I find.

Cool thing about the LG OLED's is that they will actually accept 4k50hz HDR. I've been doing this for 95% of the HDR titles on PC. Too difficult to maintain 4k60 even with a 1080ti.

AC:O is buttery smooth @50hz HDR.

I feel so bad for you Waffle...

Waffle · Jul 4, 2018

dsk1210 said:
Is that a fly or spider in there?

No clue but it's in the screen. The set I got before this one had a bunch of these things in it too.

Powerofthecloud · Jul 4, 2018

Gn0mercy said:
Yeah, I feel you. My PS4 and Switch have become exclusive machines. Sony's first party output employ a healthy dose of motion blur in their 30 fps games that mask the stutter pretty well I find.

Cool thing about the LG OLED's is that they will actually accept 4k50hz HDR. I've been doing this for 95% of the HDR titles on PC. Too difficult to maintain 4k60 even with a 1080ti.

AC:O is buttery smooth @50hz HDR.

Holy crap I did not know that was a thing. Thanks for pointing that out.

Deleted member 21339 · Jul 4, 2018

Waffle said:
Are you freaking kidding me Samsung??

This is going to be a fun trip to Best Buy as I probably won't take lightly to them accusing me of doing something shady after having to go through this multiple times.

Oh my gooood.

Kolle · Jul 4, 2018

Powerofthecloud said:
LOL so I tried playing assassins creed origins on my b7a on my xbox x. 30 fps is a big nope here. Micro stutter or motion resolution is absolutely horrible when panning especially with brighter items in hdr mode. I love the contrast and black levels but looks like this is going to be pc only type deal for most games for me. =(

I looked a around to see if this was just me being crazy but avsforum members seem to be on the same page.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-o...general/2939234-30-fps-gaming-worse-oled.html

AC Origins is 30 fps without motion blur on consoles which always looks bad, OLED or not.

Gn0mercy said:
AC:O is buttery smooth @50hz HDR.

Yep, played it at 1440p 50 hz and had no issues.

Deleted member 12177 · Jul 4, 2018

Sony is coming out with a z9d and a8f replacements this fall those wanting to see Sony's flagship models this year. They'll be expensive.

RedlineRonin · Jul 4, 2018

Gn0mercy said:
Yeah, I feel you. My PS4 and Switch have become exclusive machines. Sony's first party output employ a healthy dose of motion blur in their 30 fps games that mask the stutter pretty well I find.

Cool thing about the LG OLED's is that they will actually accept 4k50hz HDR. I've been doing this for 95% of the HDR titles on PC. Too difficult to maintain 4k60 even with a 1080ti.

AC:O is buttery smooth @50hz HDR.

I feel so bad for you Waffle...

Oh shit this never once occurred to me....

How does it "feel" versus 60fps? Comparable?

With a 1080FE there's still plenty I can't lock at 4k60, but 50 would get me closer in some stuff

edo_kid · Jul 4, 2018

Madness said:
Game mode gives you the best input lag. As for HDR, keep in mind due to the nature of static HDR metadata and how HDR is achieved, you may need to tinker with HDR to your liking. What you may see as washed out is actually brightness and contrast turned up to highlight luminance and bright details. Play around with Brightness and color but remember HDR isn't about oversaturation. If reference D65 isn't your goal you can also tinker with Live Color and Adv. Contrast enhancer etc.

Thanks for the tips, i messed around with the options and found out one of my problem was the "Color Temperature", the option it has on game mode gives the whites a yellow tint that made it look more washed out and blurred for me, neutral and cold options are much better for my taste it gives the color a natural look. Also played with the HDR options in game like you said and its working much better, looks great.

Bumrush · Jul 4, 2018

SOLDIER said:
If the banding is normal then that's the end of my pondering.

It doesn't sound like even the top QLED can match up so I think I'm finally settled in on the C8.

There is no perfect set, to be honest. There may be some years from now but it isn't worth speculating and waiting. To my eyes, the C8 offers the best picture on the market so I'm going with that. The Z9D and Q9FN are two incredible sets, but I still don't think they match the realistic look of OLED.

Edit: Waffle wtf bro, I'm so sorry. For a massive company, Samsung's QA on their TVs is pretty rough

Deleted member 35478 · Jul 4, 2018

Ugh, just when I thought I found an affordable DV player...the Sony X700. The x700 has DV support, but you have to manually turn it on and off based on whether or not the disc is DV or HDR10. Seems a bit silly, but I was hoping it was automatically detected and set to the correct mode.

RedlineRonin · Jul 4, 2018

Superkamikazee said:
Ugh, just when I thought I found an affordable DV player...the Sony X700. The x700 has DV support, but you have to manually turn it on and off based on whether or not the disc is DV or HDR10. Seems a bit silly, but I was hoping it was automatically detected and set to the correct mode.

Seriously? That's a bummer design.

203 you just set and it changes by source material. Don't know why that wouldn't be the approach on all players.

No42.05W70.2 · Jul 4, 2018

Apharmd said:
I strongly disagree with this. It's immediately obvious in dark room/blacked out viewing, and not just worst-case scenarios like star fields. The Z9D is the worst offender; it can only produce a dark gray black level, approximately equal to the 2011 Panasonic plasmas or the non-flagship Samsung plasmas, although the Sony has a good local dimming solution that does a pretty good job of preserving highlight brightness unlike Samsung or Vizio.

If you're comparing a several year old LED to any plasma, that is case in point. The fact is you used to never be able to get FALD outside of a super premium high end LED. Now it is in every set sold practically. Even computer monitors are getting complex backlighting systems built in.

ɣGammaɣ · Jul 4, 2018

Superkamikazee said:
Ugh, just when I thought I found an affordable DV player...the Sony X700. The x700 has DV support, but you have to manually turn it on and off based on whether or not the disc is DV or HDR10. Seems a bit silly, but I was hoping it was automatically detected and set to the correct mode.

Yes that is really bad and the reason I don't buy it.

I wait till the Panasonic ub824/820 gets all the updates.

Deleted member 21339 · Jul 4, 2018

Didn't see this mentioned here so thought I'd share. LG B8 now on Best Buy website.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-65-...rt-4k-uhd-tv-with-hdr/6256848.p?skuId=6256848

Stand is way better than the C8.

dallow_bg · Jul 4, 2018

JB1981 said:
Didn't see this mentioned here so thought I'd share. LG B8 now on Best Buy website.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-65-...rt-4k-uhd-tv-with-hdr/6256848.p?skuId=6256848

Stand is way better than the C8.

Yeah but the processor is still weaker than the rest of the series no?

Deleted member 21339 · Jul 4, 2018

dallow_bg said:
Yeah but the processor is still weaker than the rest of the series no?

Not sure haven't looked into it.

RedlineRonin · Jul 4, 2018

dallow_bg said:
Yeah but the processor is still weaker than the rest of the series no?

Yep.

Will need to see some reviews to see what that means in practical terms.

Bumrush · Jul 4, 2018

Dumb question, but the TV itself has no bearing on Atmos, correct? It's the AVR, speakers and whether or not you have a device (e.g. apple TV) and content ...

RedlineRonin · Jul 4, 2018

Bumrush said:
Dumb question, but the TV itself has no bearing on Atmos, correct? It's the AVR, speakers and whether or not you have a device (e.g. apple TV) and content ...

Yep

Except when using ARC for the tv apps. Then it can matter.

Bumrush · Jul 4, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
Yep

Except when using ARC for the tv apps. Then it can matter.

Right, understood. That's pretty crazy that you could watch a movie on a CRT and have Atmos sound :)

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