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CinemaSins - Black Panther
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Ahhhh. So those are bad faith. But not the ones that mention being overrated, which are completely immaterial to the topic at hand. Gotcha ya.
You do know avoiding the discussion isn't an argument. It's just an easy way to score points. It's quite obvious you got caught in a brain fart and now you're doubling down. Like, it's not even a big deal and you got that defensive over it.
I guess you felt you were one of the people I mentioned lol...
Ahhhh. So those are bad faith. But not the ones that mention being overrated, which are completely immaterial to the topic at hand. Gotcha ya.
Yes people commenting on whether a movie is good or bad, overrated or underrated are by definition in better faith than someone insinuating that there's a hidden agenda behind those posts.
No. They say it's for fun but they contradict themselves by posting their ride home complaining about the very things they nitpick. CinemaSins is awful.
You should watch Everything Wrong With Everything Wrong With CinemaSins.
You inferred that how? Responding to a statement is proof of me being part of that category? Some flimsy logic there.
I'm sure in the vast majority of cases that's just because they did not like the movie and for no other reason than that!
Seriously though, this movie brings out a lotta "doth protest too much" shit from people. Wish I had those images saved of people on FB shitting on the movie because of the cast.
He was irrationally destructive in a way that didnt fit the character they depicted. If they didnt make him cartoonishly evil like that, he would have been the clear better pick over T'Challa, so they kind of wrote themselves into a corner there.
I never insinuated anything about hidden agendas. I'm flat out saying it's motivated by racism.
Cool, I hope it's not aimed at me or anyone else who just commented on the cinematic qualities of the film for that matter.
Yeah. There was a lot of laughter during that part. The whole BP claw spins around that pillar brought out some large laughs. Like, the movie looked so bad in places. Like, it's probably worse than Deadpool 2
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Lol, Raimi's Spiderman movies aren't more auteur than MCU movies. There are several MCU movies that reach that level of quality and uniqueness (Black Panther for one has far more interesting things to say than any Raimi Spider movie). Nolan's Batman movies are also far from unreachable by the MCU. Like, maybe you can make the argument that TDK is better than anything in MCU but the two others aren't. TDKR in particular has plenty of laughably bad things in it.
And they don't all blend together either. MCU has dappled in many different subgenres of action movies from spy thrillers to space operas to fantasy and straight out action comedies and high school dramas. They don't all look the same (some movies look closer to other films in the MCU but then there are others that look very little alike) and other than them all having jokes in them, they aren't all that similar in most aspects. There are a few more generic movies like Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 that can kind of blend together, but all in all Avengers isn't like The Winter Soldier which is pretty far from GOTG which is not like Spindelmann Homecoming which is a whole different thing than Thor Ragnarok.
If that wasn't a factor for you (and it doesn't sound like it was, you offered legit criticisms of the film) then it shouldn't bother you. We all know racism played/plays a huge role in the reaction to the film so why argue that point when people are pointing it out, it just makes it look like you are trivializing that or trying to say it isn't a thing and that makes people say "huh?", that's all. If it doesn't apply to you it isn't aimed at you.
And the obligatory Marvel aerial battle the movie absolutely didn't need
I re watched Avatar the other day and was blown away by its CGI. Kind of sad I thought we would be there for most movies by now. Maybe I'll make a thread about it.
Feels like CCGI hasn't improved much since Transformers 1 / Avatar
Marvel movies (and DC) use so much CGI it just takes away any impact for me.
I honestly don't understand how people can like CinemaSins' output.
They can't decide if they want to be taken seriously or if they're just being silly, and hide behind whichever is most convenient based on the general audience reaction to the film and their video.
If you do like them... more power to you I guess? I just can't stand them and legit think they're hacks. Definitely symptomatic of a general treatment of film critique among internet "fans", as said by others ITT before.
Also LOL comparing them to Dunkey, Dunkey always makes it clear he's being hyperbolic/ridiculous and when he's got a legit thing to say about something. CinemaSins wears a straight tone the whole damn time, sounds like a snobby asshole you'd run into on a comments thread, not a Youtube funnyman. And, as noted before, never tries to make it clear they're only being satirical or comedic unless it suits them.
They can't decide if they want to be taken seriously or if they're just being silly, and hide behind whichever is most convenient based on the general audience reaction to the film and their video.
If you do like them... more power to you I guess? I just can't stand them and legit think they're hacks. Definitely symptomatic of a general treatment of film critique among internet "fans", as said by others ITT before.
Also LOL comparing them to Dunkey, Dunkey always makes it clear he's being hyperbolic/ridiculous and when he's got a legit thing to say about something. CinemaSins wears a straight tone the whole damn time, sounds like a snobby asshole you'd run into on a comments thread, not a Youtube funnyman. And, as noted before, never tries to make it clear they're only being satirical or comedic unless it suits them.
Didn't really hamper my enjoyment at the end of the day, so I don't really care. Movie has a long way to fall before it stops being great in my eyes. It's more a testament to it that those two aspects not being great don't tank the movie for me. Great film, but I wish the action was better.
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I can see that being an issue. For me bad CGI doesn't affect me if I like the story. I just say "wow that's unfortunate this scene doesn't look good.
As for fight scenes, I like the first one between Killmonger and T'Challa, where it's more about the emotion of the fight. To me a good fight scene is an extension of the conflict between characters. It's the second fight where they are masked in bad CGI, punching and kicking 5 minutes way too long past the resolution point of the struggle. The first excites me and the second makes me check my watch.
Good thing the film has more besides them.
Infinity Wars isn't getting a best picture nom. I'll give you $10,000 if Infinity Wars does.
I'll do a quick dive through my viewing history. Not to be clear, not all of these are even very great let alone good but they're better than Black Panther:
Name 3 movies released in 2018 better than Black Panther. Or even 1 lmao.
Good luck!
Hereditary
Upgrade
American Animals
Sollers Point
First Reformed
Revenge
The Rider
This Is Our Land
Disobedience
You Were Never Really Here
Love, Simon
Ismael's Ghosts
The Endless
Isle of Dogs
A Quiet Place
Unsane
The Strangers: Prey At Night
Thoroughbreds
Annihilation
Golden Exits
It was most definitely directed at you and the others (hence the u mad gif) in here that felt they to bring up something that absolutely no relevance to the thread topic.
There's a phrase that gets truncated to "a few bad apples", but the entire of the quote is "a few bad apples spoil the bunch". if you're concerned about being lumped in with the bad apples, who in this thread said that the movie was bad and only reviewed well because of outside politics (read: Blackness), you might not want to insinuate that people point out these bad apples are posting in bad faith like you did earlier, because you're then letting those bad apples spoil the bunch, which would then include you.
I know this is your opinions and all but still, half this list is not better than BP.
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As for Oscar chances, I think The Shape Of Water winning Best Director has gotten people's hopes up for Oscar chances for comic book movies, but even if Black Panther and Infinity War were The Godfather tier they will still get nothing from the Oscars other than technical awards. They are still blockbuster genre movies and the Academy still shuns them.
Wanting retribution for evils of the world you have witnessed firsthand is not cartoonishly evil. Violence just isn't the answer and Killmonger had been raised in such a world where violence was the only answer he knew.
And dear god no. Even if he didn't immediately send weapons around the world wanting revenge, he wasn't a better pick over T'Challa by any means. Just because some of his anger was justified and he made some good points about the injustices of the world and Wakanda's pathetic inaction, he showcased absolutely zero signs of being a good ruler.
IllI stick to watching like one of their videos every 6-9 months (basically always on a movie I like), enjoying it. Then forgetting they exist until the next movie people's hissy fit.
I mean, obviously it's all opinion since I withheld some movies that were somewhat close in quality in comparison. I only put in movies I felt confidently were better (for me) than Black Panther was. That said winning an argument of subjectivity is a fool's errand. I mostly just felt like going through my watched list to see what I liked better.
Thinking about it, you are right. The Oscars is an american award and Black Panther was a phenomenon in the US.
It will be the Get Out of 2018, despite the massive difference in quality.
BP tends to get a bit more people going, "what's the big deal?" because the reception to that movie was different than other MCU films. Just in this thread people are talking about it getting Oscars and shit where, even something as beloved as Infinity War, people aren't gonna be talking about lil' gold men.
If I had never seen an MCU films, I'd go into BP with way bigger expectations than any other MCU film. None of the other ones carried as much critical praise as BP.
If I had never seen an MCU films, I'd go into BP with way bigger expectations than any other MCU film. None of the other ones carried as much critical praise as BP.
tbh there's a few there I haven't seen (I don't even know what Golden Exits and Ismael's Ghosts are), but other than The Strangers (which was terrible), Unsane, and Thoroughbreds, most of that list I agree is better than BP. Not necessarily an insult to BP though, I loved that movie too, we've just been spoiled this year with a lot of great stuff.
ah ok fam. your first post came off rough, but ty for the clarification.
You definitely made me go O_o when you mentioned Strangers and American Animals
Oh, no doubt fam. I don't even think BP is the best superhero flick this year.
but yea I agree another film being better doesn't take away from the film it is better than. Like there were tons of films better than Get out last year, doesn't mean Get out was bad. Just speaks for the quality of releases that year. Kudos
It's the perfect example of safe and watchable but ultimately dull entertainment.
Nothing ever matters long term.
There's always tons of bad comedy.
There are never lasting consequences because that could hurt a future movie.
They will never be outright awful but black panther is one of the few that is better than vaguely watchable.
Some honesty, critical thinking and intelligent discourse would be a start. CinemaSins possesses none of those.
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