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Zack Snyder's original image of Wonder Woman from Batman v Superman, placing her in the Crimean War (instead of World War 1)
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He's incapable of doing anything that isn't edgy. I don't even hate the guy's style, but Wonder Woman collecting heads? The fuck?
She's also gonna be cutting the head off Steppenwolf in the Snyder Cut. Will people flip out when they see that as well?
Did Japan even participate in the Crimean war??????? It started before the country even opened up I think??
The fuck is this? Context? Only hate guy. Are you new to this? /s
I think the idea is she's been going around the world gathering teammates.
And isn't the Native American a god too?
Probably not, killings not the issue people clearly have actually reading the thread, though how often she does seems to be up for debate, it's the proud posing with several decapitated heads of some regular ass dudes, which is significantly less in character.
That's exactly my point though. These movies are meant to appeal to teens and young adults alike and instead we got this pg-13 movie trying it's hardest to be Rated without justifying it with substance. In fact, the movie seems almost ashamed to be witty, light hearted, and serious at the same time. Look at the OG WW, it wasn't afraid to be campy, fun, while being serious at the same time. Zach Snyder seems to miss that balance completely. Everything from the color palette of the movie, to the delivery of all the lines, even the length of the movie itself. It's all about excess , no orestraint. Let's kill superman and bring him back in the very next movie, really ? Lol. Let's make a 3 hour JL movie. Really ? I could go on but I think you get the point.
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It's that same sort of energy as when you find out there's an archival version of your MySpace page from when you were a teenager.
do you realize that Wingfan19 is literally quoting Patty Jenkins posting to rebut that article
It's a literal quote from her during a podcast interview with Marc Maron. So yes, she is the reason we don't have a Wonder Woman from the image that started this thread.
Context, but that will likely won't matter. Didn't realize people hated Snyder THAT much... Holy shit what did the guy do ?
Made movies that some people didn't like cause they weren't the standard definition of the heroes. He tried to do something a little different, it didn't work with the general audience and that's it. Yet he's constantly attacked and mocked. It really is disgusting at times.
Wonder how everyone would react if it was Thor in that picture? He chopped off Thanos' head too.
Not a big fan of Snyder's work, but I...don't really find the severed heads that edgy. I also really like the idea of gathering teammates from all over the world.
you said that Patty Jenkins had to wrestle creative control away from Zack Snyder specifically, Patty Jenkins is straight up saying that isn't true and that Snyder supported her
you can dislike Zack Snyder without misrepresenting Patty Jenkins on the subject
People defending this keep dodging the obvious prevailing point which is not whether or not she killed/decapitated people. I get it though, its much easier to argue if you just boil it down to the mere question of killing.
The point is she's carrying around the heads back at their camp as if she relishes slaying mortals. As if she, a god, takes pride and satisfaction in killing one side of this mortal conflict she has inserted herself into. If she is getting involved in these wars just for the sake of finding Ares, what is going on here? Does she represent an international team of people who just really fucking hate 19th century Russia?
So yes, if there was a picture of Thor in the actual context we are actually dealing with here, yes I would find it weird misstep blindly done in the name of making something "badass" and would be glad the person didn't get control of the Thor franchise. This picture is not some huge affront to my feelings on WW, it is simply another entry in the pattern of Snyder being tone-deaf and edgy in a very dated way (Everything about his sensibilities just reminds me so much of what was considered cool in the early 2000s)
As far as I know, he has not denounced the very toxic part of his fandom:
Is Releasing the Snyder Cut of Justice League a Victory for Toxic Fandoms?
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Lied to fans frequently about things that anyone with a copy of The Dark Knight Returns, one of the oldest, most referenced Batman comics in the last 35 years could fact check:
Spoiler: He does not.
Compared his work to Alan Moore:
And his movies are bad, yes, no need to link to Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic. It has become a joke. There's a reason why even WB asked Whedon to basically re-do Justice League instead of just finishing the movie while keeping Snyder's vision, something that would have taken way less time, money and work to do.
What if those heads belonged to terrible warlords? I really don't have an issue with a character like Wonder Woman (an Amazon warrior princess) posing with heads of the terrible people she killed defending innocents in the 1800's. People did a lot of fucked up stuff back then.
It's also a different WW than the one in the DCEU, one that doesn't even make sense as Zack said she hadn't found Steve yet. So how did she get off the island? It's just a one off photo used as a placeholder that Zack thought would be a good test image to get the "old timey" feel right with wardrobe and makeup. I think we're all just over analyzing it.
More in line with the comic book WW. Well, at least the badass warrior part.
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Thor? You mean when we are 20 films into a series after the protagonists have suffered the worst possible loss they could imagine after their own failure? In a scene that isn't portrayed or framed as heroic or even resembling a fight, but a savage takedown against a villain who reveals their efforts for recompense amount to complete and utter futility? A scene where Captain America is literally wearing the costume that represents his time stripped of his color and moral idealism? And then is followed by revealing they wallowed in that guilt and helplessness for five years?
I mean sure, I guess people would react differently if it was Thor...
If Wonder Woman was a war-weary immortal Amazon, I wouldn't expect a Justice League Ally McBeal.
I shouldn't have put in the Thanos part as it's going to be a 1 to 1 comparison when Diana chops off Steppenwolf's head in JL. Focus on the picture. If that was Thor in that picture, what would the reaction be? My guess is that no one would care. It'd be like, "Cool... anyway when's Black Widow coming out?"
It funny how a Marvel example gets all of the context in the world, but there's a single picture of WW and people run wild.
I really wonder why people even make these threads. Y'all really need to be angry over something so bad?
Flashpoint WW kills a bunch of people. She's brutal in that one.
I can and will dunk on both of them for being bad in completely different ways.
She's evil in that one dude. Aquaman is also a mass murdering tyrant and Batman is Thomas Wayne who kills people with guns. That timeline is not supposed to be the way the characters act. The whole point is reality is massively fucked up and wrong.
DC has done WW so dirty it's sad. Can't even really blame you guys since they've gotten her wrong in so much stuff that's totally warped how people see her. But the whole reason Diana has a lasso is it's a non lethal weapon. She's not supposed to kill people.
Still fucking hilarious when Snyder fanboys post Geoff Johns comics to justify Snyder's edginess though.
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I mean we have the context of Snyder's worldview, his explanation of his own tastes, his work in this series, the Wonder Woman movie we did get instead, and Diana proudly holding severed heads in a shot designed to make her look cool.
I mean in Flashpoint, she's also an antagonist who murders children, decimates Europe, and hangs Steve Trevor from her lasso because it's a timelime where everything went horribly wrong.
I mean Thor is a different character, with a different journey. He begins an arrogant violent brute, to a humbled warrior. But Thor isn't built around that same kind of noble intentions beyond his familial entanglements.
Compare a Diana that would pose with the heads of (presumably) mortals in a photo, to the one we meet in her solo movie. A sometimes naive idealist convinced she can save humanity through simple cause-and-effect, and is instead forced to recognize the darker truths of humanity's own nature. And yet in the face of that, she refuses to commit to Ares' nihilism, and fights against apathy in pursuit of a better tomorrow. She's not going to ignore the necessity of a fight, but for the purpose of protecting others.
Of course there could've been an extrapolated context in a different solo-movie that makes this photo more interesting. But as it is, compared to that first WW movie we got? The photo in the movie represents a moment of "Look at what we saved." This original picture instead immediately says "Look who we killed."
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I guarantee a lot of people would at least be observing how out of character it seems for Thor. This is a fallacious argument you're making based on the assumption that people would accept anything as long as it's Marvel.
We aren't that big of sheep.
Fuck that image looks badass, I'd love to see WW movie with Diana just collecting world warriors and bring down hell onto Ares. Just have all of them die in a cheese blaze of glory while spitting dumb one-liners.
The backlash against the Snyder backlash backlash on this board never ceases to amaze.
It wasn't always weird to talk about the guy in unflattering terms here.
Until it was. If you get called out for it, it's nothing personal. It's just monotonous at this point.
It wasn't always weird to talk about the guy in unflattering terms here.
Until it was. If you get called out for it, it's nothing personal. It's just monotonous at this point.
Read the comics more, she does this type of thing and tbh it's not anything new for her to do so.
LOL reading the guy's responses is hilarious he basically fancanon's a bunch of shit and claims that it's explicit in the movie and then all; but implies everyone is an idiot for not seeing it his way... as he continually invents shit.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I love that Patty Jenkins decided to give a shut out to an absolute moron. This movie is a fucking disaster, and honestly I don't understand how she fucked it up so bad after the first was a solid film.
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Please nore that WW is leading the 7 samurai in the WW1854.
None of Whedon´s footage will be used and there are about 95 to 100 minutes of Whedon footage in the 2017 release. Let´s not even start what Johns and he did to the script/dialogue. Snyder's uncompromised footage is night and day different and we are getting that version with a bit of new footage that was shot in 2020.
The full film will have 240 minutes of raw footage. About 5 minutes will be from the new shoot. Those are set in the apocalyptic future seen in BvS but "Knightmare" scenes are already peppered in the original cut. The soundtrack snippets (think Mad Max 4) also sound hella crazy so far and the near 4:3 aspect ratio will lead to people asking themselves if their TVs are broken. It´s also an open-ended movie. In Zack´s words:
Pro-tip. Turn on motion smoothing on your TV when the black and white version releases later and stare at the constantly moving armor of the main villain Steppenwolf that consists of hundreds of small parts. Electric Soldier Porygon 2.0 might be the end result there. And how about the design on these guys:
Snyder doubled down after MoS and people got mad. Just look at this topic. BvS is nearly 5 years old but here we are. Snyder will triple down on his vision in 2021 and will release his first DC film that didn´t have to be presented to a test audience. TSC is his first film with full creative control. Army of the Dead for Netflix will be his second. Also releasing in 2021.
Zack Snyder's Justice League releases in March. It will be insane in terms of content. He kinda filmed 2 films in 2016. His version ended up being 3,5 hours long (the rough cut was 5 hours) and a studio version that was maybe 2,5 hours or shorter. Even the compromised version is markedly different from the Whedon film.
None of Whedon´s footage will be used and there are about 95 to 100 minutes of Whedon footage in the 2017 release. Let´s not even start what Johns and he did to the script/dialogue. Snyder's uncompromised footage is night and day different and we are getting that version with a bit of new footage that was shot in 2020.
The full film will have 240 minutes of raw footage. About 5 minutes will be from the new shoot. Those are set in the apocalyptic future seen in BvS but "Knightmare" scenes are already peppered in the original cut. The soundtrack snippets (think Mad Max 4) also sound hella crazy so far and the near 4:3 aspect ratio will lead to people asking themselves if their TVs are broken. It´s also an open-ended movie. In Zack´s words:
Pro-tip. Turn on motion smoothing on your TV when the black and white version releases later and stare at the constantly moving armor of the main villain Steppenwolf that consists of hundreds of small parts. Electric Soldier Porygon 2.0 might be the end result there. And how about the design on these guys:
Snyder doubled down after MoS and people got mad. Just look at this topic. BvS is nearly 5 years old but here we are. Snyder will triple down on his vision in 2021 and will release his first DC film that didn´t have to be presented to a test audience. TSC is his first film with full creative control. Army of the Dead for Netflix will be his second. Also releasing in 2021.
This is like when Spiderman was freaking out on the Avengers about how Punisher kills people, and Wolverine and Black Widow do the side eye meme
He was doing alright for a bit but then started making no sense.
I wouldn't call the movie a disaster but it's nowhere near as good as the first one. Almost like a different creative team behind it. My summation of the film IMO: