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Zack Snyder is not getting paid for the Snyder Cut
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Its very easy to not see a movie, most people in this country can go without seeing any one movie
dude is like the guy fieri of the film industry, he's an over the top brash dudebro with questionable taste, but he seems like an ok dude that people enjoy working for.
i have no doubt JL was a bad movie at its core that was made even worse with whedons bullshit in front and behind the camera, but i hope the completed film gives him and his family some sort of solace
i have no doubt JL was a bad movie at its core that was made even worse with whedons bullshit in front and behind the camera, but i hope the completed film gives him and his family some sort of solace
This quote from Vanity Fair interview justifies the 4 hour long cut IMO
"How am I supposed to introduce six characters and an alien with potential for world domination in two hours?" Snyder said. "I mean, I can do it, it can be done. Clearly it was done. But I didn't see it."
and this about Nolan after watching the movie
Deborah Snyder watched Whedon's "Justice League" cut with Christopher Nolan, Warner Bros.' "Dark Knight" trilogy director and one of the executive producers of Snyder's DC films. After the screening, Nolan and Deborah went to Zack with a clear message.
"They came and they just said, 'You can never see that movie,'" Zack Snyder said."
"How am I supposed to introduce six characters and an alien with potential for world domination in two hours?" Snyder said. "I mean, I can do it, it can be done. Clearly it was done. But I didn't see it."
and this about Nolan after watching the movie
Deborah Snyder watched Whedon's "Justice League" cut with Christopher Nolan, Warner Bros.' "Dark Knight" trilogy director and one of the executive producers of Snyder's DC films. After the screening, Nolan and Deborah went to Zack with a clear message.
"They came and they just said, 'You can never see that movie,'" Zack Snyder said."
Yeah I think the song was really good in that first trailer. Even some of the lyrics kinda fit the situation haha
I fully expect this film to get bad reviews but I'm really hyped for it. At the very least it'll look and sound amazing, and as a fan of BvS and MoS, I'm glad to finally be getting a proper conclusion lol
Damn, rejecting pay to keep some power to negotiate. Well, you can never say Snyder isn't dedicated to his vision.
I mean make a better lead in film that doesn't kill off Superman?
It's also not 6 it's 3.
Nobody read it, because that wasn't the framing of the thread. I'm not gonna claim the tone around Snyder threads are always (ever?) great. But, his personal tragedies don't mean people aren't entitled to think his movies suck. He put out two movies that a lot of people didn't like, that is going to follow him into the third. Do I think the hate is overblown? Sure. But, I understand that most people break their criticism down into "I like thing!" or "thing sucks!" That's just the way it is.
edit: fuck era mobile lately! I have twice today posted shit before I was done because the site moved around.
Subscribe to his Patreon. After giving us that Joker picture/society line he needs to be richer
This is the probably the best response I have seen. Fairest at least. This is how I am approaching the Snyder Cut.
Read the VF article? Nolan and Deborah Snyder told Zack specifically not to watch it after they screened it.
From the VF article:
So people think he's some sort of dudebro because he does competent, impactful action but there's not one actual report or claim to him being anything other than a nice person. Like the Nega-Whedon, basically (or maybe Mirror Universe Whedon, seeing as how Nega-Scott was okay).
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I've read it! Thoroughly. I just want to hear his thoughts from his mouth. I'm thinking it'd be extra spicy now that he's not on great terms with WB.
Nope 😂
Well, I'm in the camp of people who liked MoS and found BvS Ultimate an OK experience [did not watched Theatrical cut]. So I'm optimistic I will got entertainment out of ZSJL. And also there is smallest of chances that ZSJL will put some life in future Cavil & Batfleck projects in HBO Max.
IMO, it's better to get this than not.
Fully intend on watching it, just would like to live in a reality where a queer/trans/female/non-white creative got this type of control over their work at huge expense without any good reason to actually do it
User Banned (1 Week): Insensitive, Inflammatory and Dismissive Commentary; Account in Junior Phase
Love to not actually comment on the point being made, a lot of non white cis dudes have shit happen to them but never get money thrown at them by studios to make trash
I am a non-white lbgtq immigrant and think this kind of take is toxic, childish, and zero sum run amok. This board gets more out there every day... Jeeze
Wanting minorities to get the same shots rich white dudes get is toxic? Cool cool cool
I would love for all creators, whatever their personal background is, to get more opportunities like Snyder did. I'm also glad Snyder got his opportunity.
Wouldn't that ire be better directed at shit heaps like Whedon who actively make Hollywood a worse place to be for anyone who isn't a cis white male (and even for a handful of them too)?
Like, I never get the mediocre white man refrain when it comes to Snyder. There are a whole hell of a lot of directors working in Hollywood for whom that statement is 100% warranted. But Snyder? The majority of his movies make a healthy profit, he turns in his work on time and on budget, and most importantly he's actually a good boss for his film crews. That his movies are vapid and generally poorly received critically doesn't change the fact that, for the most part, he's actually really good at his job. That's why he keeps getting work.
No, what is toxic is you using suicide or any person's personal miseries, cis-male or otherwise, to begin an inclusion debate ( I am all for inclusion). That is not constructive at all especially in the context you were operating within. Cool, cool, cool.
I mean, if your job is being a director I would say your job is to produce good art and not make money but I'm not a weird objectivist bro like he is
I literally didn't bring up suicide, I pointed out it's sad that he gets this chance when so few others will.
Maybe you can support minorities by believing them when they talk about their toxic experiences at the hands of rich white dudes?
His job as far as the studio is concerned is to make them a profit. Good or bad art aren't a requirement or needed as far as the studio is concerned. So no, his job isn't to produce good art. What he does at his job though is good enough for the studio so that he's in a position to have some weight and he's earned it regardless if his movies are great or they suck.
I'm literally asking for anyone to point me in the direction of his account of events? Didn't realise wanting to hear someone out was not believing them
Firstly: Your job is literally making money for the studios. That's who's hiring you and that's why they hire you. You don't have to like that fact, but them's the breaks.
Secondly: I always find it interesting when people have to make up reasons that the man who makes bad movies is actually secretly a morally bad person to justify themselves.
Oh. You're one of those. Now I understand.
"I don't actually have anything of value to say, maybe I can Whedon Dialogue my way out of this corner."
Your original post is asking for receipts and implying that not providing detail delegitimizes the accusations. You can regret it, you can think that was wrong-headed. But don't act like you didn't write what you wrote.
When I was working as a grip I ran into a few guys that claimed Snyder sets are almost a dream because of how well they're ran.
I love the concern trolling and then instant ignorance about basic knowledge on the circumstances surrounding the film.
You coopted a discussion (did you read the article? I am started to question how many people here with all their hilarious hot takes read it) to start a different discussion and in the process diminished one already happening which to me was about the fucked up nature of what went down on JL, Whedon's general awfulness, but ultimately Zack's understanding of the series of events in his own words, and his motivation and hopes for this new cut (read: he is getting his creative closure and also memorializing his late daughter cinematically). But you do you as unproductive as it is.
Yikes. Imagine being so outraged in this thread about how the system is unfair to minorities and yet be so dismissive and skeptical of Ray Fisher's allegations. Pointing that out was illuminating about that poster.
Pasts posts by yours truly across the site:
Joel Michael Singer Held Down After Head-Butting Man at Florida Restaurant (Trying to remove video from the Internet)
You should know by now that a lot of people on this site really fucking hate reading the article linked in the OP, even if it's quoted in the OP. Dude's getting what he deserves. Not that anything will really come of his being unhireable due to google searches as long as he's still rich.
www.resetera.com
Long story short: Reset really fucking can't stand reading the link.
I'm not believing anything. I'm reading your post. I don't believe you're racist or that you don't believe victims. I'm commenting on you made that post and wrote wrong-headedness on it. I've said wrong-headedness in the past too. And I understand the impulse to know the dirt. But victims coming forward with abuse have the option to keep it private(as Ray did when he left it up to the investigation.)
Ray is under NDA. He can't give specifics.
And a director's job is to bring a script to life to make money for the studio. For the most part anyway... and I can see where you're coming from as far as art.
"What abuse?" is questioning the existence of abuse. Please stop being willfully ignorant, and just admit you don't give a shit.