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Zachary Levi calls for understanding and sympathy for Trump Supporters
- Thread starter Slayven
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Trump's base comprises of the ppl with the following traits, behaviours and beliefs (from the top of my head):
They need to earn it, by their fucking bootstraps.
PS: Also, as long these people thrive on Fox news and its ilk online, they will be always programmed to bite the hand that is extended to them. It is inevitable.
- Anti-science/evidence at the precipice of climate change driven disasters
- Anti- women's reproductive rights
- Abject selfishness
- Bigotry (misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, racism)
- Got-mine-fuck-you hyper capitalist
- Revels in double standards
- Bible thumpers who do not condone the separation of church and state
- Innately lacking understanding of how taxation works
- Continues to vote for people who pay lip service to their conservative religious beliefs despite being perennially fucked over by the GOP representatives (well, Dems have done the same to black voters)
- Lacking understanding of institutional racism/bigotry, born out living in privilege, and consequently why social justice movements are required
- Would favour facism if it means preserving the traditions and status quo of straight white "christian" man
- Thrive on myriad conspiracies born of incomplete information and ignorance to suit their sense of victimhood
They need to earn it, by their fucking bootstraps.
PS: Also, as long these people thrive on Fox news and its ilk online, they will be always programmed to bite the hand that is extended to them. It is inevitable.
This century's well is too poisoned. I don't see any sort of Naruto-style ending of togetherness as a country for the next 100 years.
Honestly if Trump won I could have easily seen this country eventually splitting into two factions civil war style.
Nope. If a person voted Trump or any Republican for that manner, they need to look in the mirror and find out what's wrong with you. How can anyone look at what they're doing and say yes that is what a good person does. I see the people celebrating in the streets and see love and people respecting each other. Everything a Trump supporter worries about is rooted in fear and hate. There is no love for your neighbors shown in their actions. If a Trump supporter makes an attempt to be more like a human than maybe but I don't have to help you when you don't even want to be saved.
Also Shahadan Germany 1932: "You're telling 11 million Germans to fuck off?"
Sometimes people are just wrong, bud
Fuck everyone of these 70 millions people up the ass with a sideways pineapple.
Not being ambiguous is good for discussion, because we can be specific about what is being brought up and respond accordingly.
So when you say
Maybe you're referring to work like this?
Denazification - Wikipedia
And for these specific folks, making enemies of other people seems to be what they're most receptive to. Nothing else seems to matter, or at least nothing else seems to deter them enough from voting for fascist incompetence again.
- Economy getting tanked from a poor epidemic response didn't matter.
- Police brutality across the nation didn't matter.
- Minority lives getting further marginalized didn't matter.
- A lukewarm stimulus (along with an incredibly large payout for already rich people and corporations) didn't matter.
- A budget that's outlined to better preserve the environment while also presenting new opportunities didn't matter.
To win these specific folks over, it seems like they prefer a plank of othering someone else. Does it make sense for the Democrats to have a plank of this nature? Should this plank be given any kind of respect?
Sympathy? No. Understanding? Make me understand. Even though Biden won, the race was too close. It's not 2016. We had 4 years to see what Trump was like, and people were really ready to sign up for another 4 years of that? The cynical part of me thinks that if not for Trump's handling of COVID-19, he probably would have won the election. It has made me ill since Tuesday and even with Biden winning, those people are still here, and we can't forget about them. I'm not going to say all of those people are bad, but so many of them are misguided and/or uneducated and that's something that I hope can be fixed.
Their needs to be a racist piece of shit?
Yeah no, not much sympathy for these supporters. Maybe in a more fair world Zach, but that ain't it here.
Yeah no, not much sympathy for these supporters. Maybe in a more fair world Zach, but that ain't it here.
Nope! They need to know why WE feel the way we do and why we have a candidate that understands us. They were saying this after we lost and now we have to hear this again after we won? Fuck that. Let them sit in their ignorance...I'm not passing shit across the table. They didn't try to understand us for the past 4 years so I'm good.
Oh and remember this?
and this
You want the sane, rational, non-bigoted people to suddenly forgive and move on together these motherfucking degenerates?
and this
You want the sane, rational, non-bigoted people to suddenly forgive and move on together these motherfucking degenerates?
These people don't operate on logic or reason. You might be able to persuade a more moderate voter but die hard republicans are in for life and they live for two things. 1. Getting Theirs and 2. "owning the libs" That's it putting any more thought into it is entirely overthinking their mentality. That's why Trump was so popular with them. None of them actually care about policy they just care that Trump is brash and isn't afraid to lash out at his enemies. They idolize him for his projection of power. They are immune to facts. And its a complete waste of time trying to engage with them.
Like, in a perfect world sure I'd love an idealized future where we could all get along but here is the thing the issues that really matter REALLY matter. And there isn't any room to compromise on them. Climate change needs to be dealt with NOW. Racial injustice needs to be dealt with NOW. Actual lives are on the line and in the case of climate change our entire planet. These aren't issues that you can compromise on.
I agree with everything you're saying, btw. My point isn't necessarily to make nice with everyone.
Just to understand them and sympathize, as Levi suggested. And if we can stop a racist Republican party from manipulating the masses in the future, all the better.
If we can avoid civil war? Magnificent!
Fuck them. They never return the courtesy or compromise. Like that Obama comic, he takes two steps towards common ground, they take two steps back.
No more. Those assholes want to work with the adults they are going to have to come to us and stfu & listen for once.
No more. Those assholes want to work with the adults they are going to have to come to us and stfu & listen for once.
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We do understand them, that is why we can't sympathize with them. As a black man do you think i want to know what the blue line flag means, or the punisher symbol or 88 or a cop flaking "ok"? We know them better then they know them selves because we have to as a matter of survival.
I've been around far too long for you to not know I'm also (very) black, Slay :p
I've personally come very far from being religious, and thus homophobic, transphobic, and the like - to being who I am today. And being in online gaming spaces, I see tons of kids for whom right-wing indoctrination has started.
These are frustrating people, without question. But I see people who have been taken and manipulated, and my hope is that they can be saved.
why are you worried about yourself when their are white people who believe themselves superior to you to worry about?
that's the problem with America, not enough sympathy for fascists
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holy shit, did it take non-hetero people to teach you how to not be a homophobic/transphobic pos?
if so, good for them but there shouldn't be any expectation of that, at all and it's straight abusive to historically oppressed groups to expect or demand they be unreasonably loving, understanding & sympathetic to people who actively hate them
wtf...
I agree. Which is why I don't fault other black/marginalized people for not wanting to put in the effort. I truly get it.
In a cruel twist of fate, however, that's the only thing that seems to work:
Science | AAAS
science.sciencemag.org
Evidently, allies who are not of marginalized groups (for homophobia, at least), actually don't have a lasting effect. The abused are the only ones who can.
So I've personally offered myself to white friends to have the conversations about the things they don't want to ask out loud. Some people have taken me up on it, others haven't.
It's not something I expect everyone to do, especially those who have experienced far more racism than I (or sexism, or transphobia, etc.). But I figure it might help, and that's kind of my hope.
No, I don't even know the identities of the people who were willing to help.
Also, I was literally just religious, so.
Also, look at it this way:
You except us to spend a good portion of our time awake, asking us to reach out to people who hate us? Which btw, will cause an increase in blood pressure, stress, anxiety, depression, and other health issues.
And this isn't a one/done deal. Do you know how long it takes to rewire a core belief? Do you know how often it is to not work?
So now, you except us to spend even MORE of our free time to help people whose essence will deteriorate our mental health even more. With probablity that it'll be all for nothing.
And even then
AND EVEN THEN.... there are people who wasn't coddled this much and yet still learned not to be bigoted. If a person is still a prick, it's on them. Bojack Horseman doesn't get free ride because he had a crappy. And he's a cartoon horse. Why are we holding half the country to a lower standard of a cartoon horse?
You except us to spend a good portion of our time awake, asking us to reach out to people who hate us? Which btw, will cause an increase in blood pressure, stress, anxiety, depression, and other health issues.
And this isn't a one/done deal. Do you know how long it takes to rewire a core belief? Do you know how often it is to not work?
So now, you except us to spend even MORE of our free time to help people whose essence will deteriorate our mental health even more. With probablity that it'll be all for nothing.
And even then
AND EVEN THEN.... there are people who wasn't coddled this much and yet still learned not to be bigoted. If a person is still a prick, it's on them. Bojack Horseman doesn't get free ride because he had a crappy. And he's a cartoon horse. Why are we holding half the country to a lower standard of a cartoon horse?
I just want to point out the hilarity of this:
2016: Trump wins. "You should try to understand the Trump voter."
2020: Trump loses. "You should try to understand the Trump voter."
It's always on us because this is fed by a narrative mostly rooted in racist dog whistle about those conservative white voters being the TRUE Americans.
But the onus is always on the left. Never on the right.
2016: Trump wins. "You should try to understand the Trump voter."
2020: Trump loses. "You should try to understand the Trump voter."
It's always on us because this is fed by a narrative mostly rooted in racist dog whistle about those conservative white voters being the TRUE Americans.
But the onus is always on the left. Never on the right.
The left is the only side that is going to consider it, candidly. The big voices on the right are preoccupied with creating fear.
Yeah? I'm good:
Like, this ain't something from a year ago, or four years ago, or anything.
This is something actively happening. NOW.
Forgiveness first requires those who have wronged others, those who have caused harm, to at the very least first admit that and then try to make amends.
That ain't happening right now though. Instead, they're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the same nonsense.
Encourage of course by Trump himself calling for this, and people like Cruz and Graham going along with him. And people like McConnell being just as complicit in his silence.
If they want forgiveness, THEY can be the ones to reach out, to admit they were wrong, and make amends. That's on them though, not me.
Like, this ain't something from a year ago, or four years ago, or anything.
This is something actively happening. NOW.
Forgiveness first requires those who have wronged others, those who have caused harm, to at the very least first admit that and then try to make amends.
That ain't happening right now though. Instead, they're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the same nonsense.
Encourage of course by Trump himself calling for this, and people like Cruz and Graham going along with him. And people like McConnell being just as complicit in his silence.
If they want forgiveness, THEY can be the ones to reach out, to admit they were wrong, and make amends. That's on them though, not me.
Offering a helping hand is only a good idea if you are reasonably sure the person you're pulling up isn't going to throw you off the cliff instead.
Do NOT offer yourself to a Trumper. Let them come to you first. Force them to have a moment of humility and reflection for once in their fucking lives. While they're deliberating on joining civil society, continue to do the civil work of trying to prevent this shit from happening again.
Do NOT offer yourself to a Trumper. Let them come to you first. Force them to have a moment of humility and reflection for once in their fucking lives. While they're deliberating on joining civil society, continue to do the civil work of trying to prevent this shit from happening again.
I actually wish these fucking cowards would come at me like that. I wouldn't mind throwing hands with a bunch of sick ghouls. Anyone asking for "understanding" should explain why they aren't slinging their gospel at these people because it's either you're naive enough to think they'll listen but to lame to actually confront them or you're self aware enough to know they won't listen but get off on preaching at the rest of us to do something you're unwilling to do. I'm confident in the strength of my character and you're not going to convince me that I'm somehow lesser in my empathy or humanity for writing off a population that is so clearly deplorable. Fuck these people forever.
