When Switch Pro releases I'm definitely going to hack my OG Switch to dump all my games and try this out. I had no idea Switch emulation was at this point.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
Yuzu (Switch emulator) running Mario 3D World+Bowser's Fury at 60fps day 1
- Thread starter Napalm_Frank
- Start date
Most emulators don't include a single bit of code from the target machine. They aren't infringing on copyright laws.
It's still a bit of a grey area but if you have the hardware and have the ability to dump your own games that you purchased then why should it be illegal?
Nope, I live in Lebanon.
But in General, as far as i know, Hacked Consoles are used to play Illegal software or ISO. People Hacked the PS1,2,3,4,PSP,DS in order to play free games or cheap copies.
That's it, the phrase was weird.
You pay for the games and dump them using a modded switch. Which is 100% legal. Emulators themselves are also legal.
if you go downloading roms and iso's of games for free on shady sites, THATS piracy. Which is obviously illegal.
Ryujinx also plays it at fullspeed and has resolution scaling unlike Yuzu at the moment. Here it is at 3x resolution.
Shader generation. It's cached so the amount of freezing only goes down the more it's played.
This shit is beautiful and that's why it's so important these emulators progress. If I want to replay Switch games down the line I don't want to be stuck with shitty resolutions and framerates.
I don't know if you had a point, but I don't see why emulation vs. playing on native hardware makes a difference in terms of piracy. The piracy is the issue, not the emulation. Modded consoles are a thing (though less of one than in the past). If I can play a better version of a game sooner rather than later, then great.
Has there ever been a study as to what %age of emulator users pay for a game that is commercially available in the current market vs. those who go and download a dump? If you've got 1% paying and 99% not, I'd like to see emulation for commercially available titles put under real scrutiny, because I feel like there is a lot of wilful ignorance going on here.
It doesn't matter, the emulator will still be legal.
If 99% of the users download the game illegally, the problem then is for the websites hosting them, or people sharing it. Not the emulator, and no, it should not be put under "real scrutiny". The yuzu.exe program is not giving you any access to anything copyright protected.
Ethically, you are providing a means to an end for a large population. If the aim of emulation is preservation, then keep the software behind closed doors until titles are no longer commercially viable. Or code in a capability that it can only run from actual physically bought title. Or *something* that verifies that someone has bought the title from an official channel, right up until the point where you cannot buy them any more.
How about no!
I am quite happy playing my Wii/Wii U/Switch games at high resolutions and framerate.
Wow what. That's really impressive. I guess it's simpler to emulate modern consoles because they might be more straightforward?
Switch in particular is pretty easy because it, hardware wise, has an almost out of the box Nvidia Tegra X1, which is highly documented. So the process of emulating it is somewhat straightforward.
I straight up stopped playing Link's Awakening after 2 hours because I wanted to wait for emulators to become developed enough to play it at an acceptable framerate and play through like that instead. It was absolutely jarring trying to play on the Switch. I'll have to check if we've reached that point yet.
User Banned (3 days): Equating emulation with piracy, thread derailing
It comes down to empathy, doesn't it?
In this thread you can absolutely prove that emulation is legal.
In this thread you cannot prove that each and everybody on the site is legally emulating.
The OT's for most games around here, you take it as read the people enjoying the game along with you, legitimately obtained it.
You cannot necessarily do that here, in this community, with Switch games. That's a fact
With the amount of acrobatics we all go through when talking about this topic, no matter your stance, it should start with people recognising some home truths. And how that could in turn make others feel.
As I said, empathy.
Don't agree with someone? That's your prerogative. At least consider what they are saying and why, first.
Probably 50% of all Nintendo-related discussion needs to be taken with the grain of salt that we're all emulating current hardware/software. It's fine if that doesn't sit well with someone, surely.
In this thread you can absolutely prove that emulation is legal.
In this thread you cannot prove that each and everybody on the site is legally emulating.
The OT's for most games around here, you take it as read the people enjoying the game along with you, legitimately obtained it.
You cannot necessarily do that here, in this community, with Switch games. That's a fact
With the amount of acrobatics we all go through when talking about this topic, no matter your stance, it should start with people recognising some home truths. And how that could in turn make others feel.
As I said, empathy.
Don't agree with someone? That's your prerogative. At least consider what they are saying and why, first.
Probably 50% of all Nintendo-related discussion needs to be taken with the grain of salt that we're all emulating current hardware/software. It's fine if that doesn't sit well with someone, surely.
Create a different thread talking about the morality and legality?
People are just sick of the same topic brought up when ever we are talking about emulation on a thread that is not about the morality of it.
I am sitting on hot coals waiting for the Switch Pro. Those 720p to 900p games just don't look great on my 4K TV. Also makes me always wonder why Nintendo seemingly refuses to use AA.
Nintendo is really good at making emulation look illegal. A lot their language around this stuff drives this.
How do you think Mario 3D World was tested on Yuzo when the game hadn't released yet?
I don't see the need and nor does anybody else. These threads should do.
One of the few things GAF got right was everybody is given the benefit of the doubt to be doing things legally. Accusing someone of piracy in a topic about hacked consoles or emulation without hard evidence was just outright not allowed and led to bans. The ban wave when PS3 got hacked was a sight to behold.
With this way of thinking, you can't be sure people are legally playing in any OT of a third party games with a cracked pc version, which is a lot. And even if this emulator didn't exist there are ways to play pirated games on original switch hardware. If you see this as a problem, this emulator existing is not even the biggest factor in that.
Gonna be difficult in this specific thread.
This thread is talking about people's beloved Mario in his latest game that only releases today worldwide on the Switch. And the talk is how it already runs superbly through emulation on a PC.
A lot of Era users are gonna be spending their money on Super Mario 3D World today, come to Era, see this thread and raise their eyebrows.
some vendor broke street date there was even a thread in here about it
Street date broken for Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury a week before launch.
People are streaming it and soundtracks are being uploaded, heads up. Edit: Also this isn't a spoiler thread ya dingos.
www.resetera.com
I think you will find you are wrong but anyway I will pick up Bowser's Fury if the Bowser section is substantial enough as i was bit meh about 3d World, it's no Galaxy.
User Banned (3 days): Equating emulation with piracy, thread derailing
I mean, this very thread skirts that legality line, considering the emulated game just released today.
While it is possible that the copy used in the video posted in OP comes from a copy that broke street date, you have to admit it is quite suspect when you add that the game was leaked online before release.
If they had made the video, say, a week after release, at least I personally wouldn't be raising an eyebrow. But I think it is fair to ask where did the emulated copy come from, considering the circumstances.
Somewhere the street date was broken, the dump was uploaded and piracy started.
It is always an endless argument that where on the morality/legality scale is emulating games not even released yet officially.
It can always be said that "they got it legally due to a broken street date and dumped it for themselves".
And yet I suppose that everyone at least suspects that this is true only in case of a really small percentage of people emulating current gen games and this activity is mostly similar to PC piracy where it is also possible that a small percentage buys the game then cracks it to avoid performance issues caused by denuvo for example.
I think the main difference is that emulation is traditionally about preservation and not about piracy. And current gen emulation, especially for games not even released yet is so new that the general consensus don't even know yet how to react to it. There are people who are saying that promoting this is at least morally wrong and there are people who are thinking that since it is emulation we should handle it like we handled it before.
Last edited:
Use it to not make people feel like shit because they have to deal with the same accusation again and again in every emulation thread.
Empathy. is not a magical word.
See my post above. This thread is talking about Mario's latest game that launches today, that people are going out and buying right now. Of course people are gonna ask questions.
Do you think it takes an entire week to dump your own copy of a Switch game or something?
Once you've hacked your Switch, you can use homebrew tools out there to have your Switch make an image of the contents of the cart and put that image on the SD card for Yuzu to open on your PC. Basically the same as the Wii and Wii U. You just need the ability to run homebrew apps on your console, which on Nintendo consoles has been laughably easy to achieve.
Unless you can prove that user X or Y pirated the game, that's just called a witch hunt.
Is the implication that the person in the video must have obtained the game code through a leak or that it was stolen from one of Nintendo's servers? Or that it's impossible for someone who bought it early to have dumped it?
Ah okay. Unlikely for me as got a Lets Go + AC Switch so probably too recent FW and post the joycon slider hack thing I think
I haven't been following the emulation scene so I don't know where they got their copy. Probably an early copy? At least in Malaysia, I've seen people receive theirs 2-3 days ago. Retailers shipped the game out early because of COVID lockdowns and CNY celebrations.
Because going into emulation threads and trying to equate it to piracy/"just asks questions"/blame other people is thankfully a banable offense here that usually gets zero tolerance, if you want to talk about piracy don't derail this thread and go make your own, you know "empathy".
Firmware doesn't matter as long as it's an old model. You can check that by serial number.
lol, lmao
We don't care. This thread is about how SM3W is running on Yuzu. We're not here to play Carmen Sandiego.
If you want to get banned for derailing an emulation thread, sure. There's zero tolerance for that out there because of people like you that always try to shift the discussion to something else in emulations threads.
Back on topic, this is awesome. I feel like if Yuzu keeps getting better in terms of performance and netplay, this could be really big for playing Smash Ultimate online.
Honestly, I agree that so much of the controversy around active system emulation would be put to bed if there was some way to verify the games were being played via legal means (ie. verifying the ownership of the physical game). Not sure it's possible though.
It's kinda fast but nowhere close to modern CPUs. I say that as a 4790K user and saw significant improvement by moving to a 3700X in both gaming 1% lows and emulation performance.