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Yu-No: A Girl Who Chants Love At the Bound of this World (PS4/Switch/Steam) Out October 1st
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That's funny, but doesn't really address a single thing. Especially because the guy who wrote that book isn't an otaku. It's not about justifying the fanservice or sex either, so you might be jumping to conclusions.
Works of fiction can often be messy, complicated products. It doesn't mean one has to ignore or excuse the dated or gross parts in order to argue another part of the work can be seen as a positive.
It was just a dig in the spirit of the video, wasn't supposed to address anything.
Which would be appropriate if someone were arguing that aspects like, say, the nudity, fetishes or other sexual contents are supposed to be good because of random in-universe reasons. No, I think those are not worthy elements ether. I believe it's quite reasonable and fair that these remakes are apparently either toning down or altering such things.
I didn't even try to explain the author's interpretation in detail, but it has more to do with the game design or structure.
I hate to break it to ya, but it was a first print bonus in Japan.
As my avatar might suggest to those in the know, I was a very close personal friend of the 2 main people responsible for YU-NO's soul, Ryu Umemoto and Hiroyuki Kanno. Umemoto and I worked together on several projects at the time of his untimely passing, so I actually have a lot of his original notes and work from YU-NO that his family gave me as a gift when his estate was being cleaned out. Unfortunately, Kanno passed almost 6 month to the day after Umemoto, and I am still trying to brave speaking about them on a public forum somewhere to bring their careers to light for more fans.
The VN can be criticized for some of its content in some ways, especially in hindsight, but it was also a product of incredible importance and quality well beyond most of its competitors during its release. At some point I'll probably collect all of my research and knowledge about the PC98 and make a documentary or something, since its a virtually unknown side of video gaming in the West, though with some incredible stories that rival many of the best stories from the 16-bit console wars. The marketplace, and the developers, were truly something special.
Here's one of the last pictures taken of Umemoto Ryu, before his death in 2011.
If you wanna learn more about him, I wrote a memorial for him at Gamasutra back then.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/178187/memorial_composer_ryu_umemoto.php
The VN can be criticized for some of its content in some ways, especially in hindsight, but it was also a product of incredible importance and quality well beyond most of its competitors during its release. At some point I'll probably collect all of my research and knowledge about the PC98 and make a documentary or something, since its a virtually unknown side of video gaming in the West, though with some incredible stories that rival many of the best stories from the 16-bit console wars. The marketplace, and the developers, were truly something special.
Here's one of the last pictures taken of Umemoto Ryu, before his death in 2011.
If you wanna learn more about him, I wrote a memorial for him at Gamasutra back then.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/178187/memorial_composer_ryu_umemoto.php
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So was Linear Bounded Phenogram with Steins;Gate Elite and we got that one. If Spike Chunsoft wanted, we'd get it.
Oh I know, just that if they're specifically importing it for the PC-98 port, they're gonna be disappointed.
They must be talking about the interaction symbol that's literally a grope button. In countless interactions with female characters on screen, the game gives you the option and sometimes even forces you to "interact" with them in that way. For long stretches of the story, the protagonist is a giant POS horndog so it is in character, but I'm still glad that shit was removed. I suppose without that grope symbol and with a good localization, they can maybe make this work since it's mostly text based "interaction" of that kind.
And add me to the "curious how they'll handle that part (and at least one more like it)"- list for the spoiler mentioned upthread. It's a historically important game for the genre and everyone should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to play it or not, but there are some serious issues with the story that are hard to ignore.
Not to defend it, but wasn't all that forced on the devs because the publisher was an eroge company?
Yes. elf (much like all the other major publishers on home computers outside of falcom) were requesting more sexual and quirky content. Sex was part of the project from the beginning, but at a much lower scale.
Probably, I'm not that familiar with the history of Yu-No. I played the Vita version last year and even in this "all-ages" version, the eroge origin of the game is very apparent. I was surprised by that since I expected a Remake would have given them the chance to update some of those dated aspects and it sounds like the localized version is handling this somewhat better.
I'm now interested in what a "grope" button would even look like. Is it a hand, similar to other games of this nature? If so, I wonder what they'll change it to. I'm not even sure how that would help if the actual interactions remain, which it sounds like they are. Unless there's more to it that I'm missing.
It'll definitely be interesting seeing how they handle it all.
Does anyone even still have a NA code for that 8-bit Stiens Gate Switch code? I can offer a Switch code for it. I wouldn't mind trying it and you can't get it anywhere as far as I know. Was it only available as a early purchase for the digital version and the LE?
Niiiiiiiiiice!
Now which version do i pick... PC like almost all my VN, or switch so that i can play where i want? Plus there the nice 8 bit game in there
Now which version do i pick... PC like almost all my VN, or switch so that i can play where i want? Plus there the nice 8 bit game in there
The remake has the original compositions newly arranged by Takami Ryu and Yonao Keishi who worked on the original as well.
The cursor turns into the most stereotypical, animated "grabbing invisible boobies" gesture when hovering over interaction points. The more you know …
I guess if they change the symbol, they can also adjust the text that follows those interactions. I mean, you can show that the protagonist is an unlikable POS without him sexually harassing people left and right.
Yes, you can change between the original and remade OST in the main menu.
Why would they downgrade YU-NO like this?
The original's artistic merits were timeless. ;(
Let's just hope for a great story.
The original's artistic merits were timeless. ;(
Let's just hope for a great story.
What's the downgrade? If it's story related try to avoid spoilers I am trying to go in without knowing too much.
The "downgrade" is that a lot of people don't like the new art compared to the art from the original version of the game. Also the sex scenes are removed obviously since they wouldn't be allowed on consoles and the voice actors they got wouldn't agree to do them anyway.
Story seems fine, I was just talking about the visuals.
Would've been a nice nod to the classic if they went with PC-98 art.
Thank you both. Yeah, same problem with Steins Gate and the new art. But in the end I liked that one just fine because the story carried it. Hopefully this will be the same. Don't care about the sex scenes and long as they weren't story necessary.
I feel exactly the same about S;G.
The new art took awhile to accept, but it's not like S;G had 30+ years of nostalgia attached to it. =p
Game is up on Steam! Copped it, will give it a go after I finish AI: The Somnium Files. This is my first time playing it, hoping for the best.
Is somebody doing an OT?
Is somebody doing an OT?
Yeah I hope someone does an OT. I won't be able to play this game myself until next week but it will be nice to have a place to discuss it once I get going. I also have never played it in any version.
Well, I have been playing the original... I can if no one else will.
There are things I like about this game, there are things I love about this game, and yet I can't recommend this game to anyone without slapping a gigantic trigger warning on top.
This game has multiple (4?) counts of incestuous relationships and they're always sexualized/fetishized. They're important to the story, as well. This includes circumstances where the protagonist (sometimes) does have power and influence over the other person, and sometimes does not. Other relationships featuring power differences and age gaps also exist. In the original game, these relationships were portrayed through sex scenes with censored CGs; those images have been removed from the remake as I understand, but from what I heard from a friend who played the Japanese version of the remake, it gets as close to explicit as it could've possibly gotten.
Besides that like literally every female character gets a panty shot at some point, and there's special dialogue associated with clicking on those. Takuya is an immensely sexist/horndog protagonist.
Besides that like literally every female character gets a panty shot at some point, and there's special dialogue associated with clicking on those. Takuya is an immensely sexist/horndog protagonist.
Well, I for one would appreciate it if you did! I don't have time to throw together an OT as I'm busy with work right now (and given I have zero experience with the game itself, I'd still have to research a lot of stuff to put up something passable).
Although given the content of Funyarinpa's spoiler tagged disclosure above, theres an outside chance of a Yu-No Era OT descending into chaos. 😅
Also, thank you for the heartfelt post above regarding Umemoto Ryu, Audi - I just read it today. You clearly care about the subject, I'd give that documentary a watch if you ever push through with it.
It's a hentai VN. Influential one, but is still that. Obviously the actual porn is removed, but only as much as necessary to not just have sex scenes all over.
Imagine if you watched Deep Throat or some other vintage porn and it just skipped the porn scenes. basically.
That bad? Yikes. I was led to believe that the story was quite good beyond the naughty content.
The game did inspire Stein's Gate, so thats something. But if its anything like i remember the game does have elements that are extremely dated.
I own this book from a Japanese cultural seminar in uni. Never seen it mentioned online before!
You should read the spoiler tagged post Funyarinpa wrote above, it's unspecific enough if you still decide to play the game but imo everyone should be aware of this particular problematic aspect of Yu-No before spending time and money on the game.
It goes beyond what you might imagine when you hear that the game started out as an eroge that stars a POS protagonist. I went in knowing about as much as you, classic influencial scifi story with some dated aspects. Most of the content described above doesn't happen until you're dozens of hours into the story and I personally would have stopped playing if one particular scene had happened after 4 instead of 40 hours.
It's still unclear how the localization has handled those scenes and everyone should decide for themselves if they want to play a problematic game that is historically important for the genre, but I'm not sure if an Era OT is a good idea.
Yeah, it's a pretty interesting book about the subject (and discusses way more than just this one game). That is, if you can get past the overly specialized and academic language. I'll admit that it wasn't an easy read for me at first.
Taste is going to be subjective, but comparing the story to a "pornographic film without porn" is...disingenuous.
I think the trigger warning from above is totally fair, at least with respect to the original version of the game. I don't really know how the official English localization is handling any of these things in the new remake.
Of course, Yu-No was made during a time when most other Japanese visual novels were, indeed, little or nothing more than pornographic games. Thing is...according to the creators, namely Hiroyuki Kanno and Ryu Umemoto, the whole point of making this particular game was to actually attempt to try out something new in terms of storytelling instead of simply copying what nearly everyone else was doing.
But did it avoid all of the tropes, fetishes and various instances of sexist or misogynistic content? No, it didn't.
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OK, read the spoiler.
I guess I'm still going to play it (since I already bought it) from a historical perspective.
The wikipedia page on this game seems inadequate.
Upon rereading it says under the Saturn version it says:
But I didn't know how heavily that would play into the narrative.
In general I don't have much problem with some sexy content in my games but this is not what I was expecting.
I guess I'm still going to play it (since I already bought it) from a historical perspective.
The wikipedia page on this game seems inadequate.
Upon rereading it says under the Saturn version it says:
"As in the Windows version, some incest references have been removed."
But I didn't know how heavily that would play into the narrative.
In general I don't have much problem with some sexy content in my games but this is not what I was expecting.
I did not see any OT claims in the OT request thread, so I will just post in here now. Kinda sad that the soundtrack is on DVDs since I tend to only listen to game soundtracks during my commute to and from work and my car does not read DVDs. Considering how many tracks are on each DVD, I do see why they went that route though. For those interested, the fifth DVD per the back of the case contains MP3 for all the songs. I probably will start this after finishing Fata. I read the tagged spoilers above and while they were never pornographic, several of the localized Vita otome games do feature that same issue so it is something I have to roll my eyes at while reading VNs from different companies aimed at different audiences.
