Ys net has heard the concerns regarding Epic Games Store exclusivity for Shenmue III and will assess the situation [Read Staff Post Before Posting]

eonden · Jun 30, 2019

Pixieking said:
Has Sweeney stated what the difference is between the Shenmue 3 situation and Phoenix Point? If not, anyone want to ask him on Twitter?

He said Valve changed the rules after the Phoenix Point situation (they didnt).

Also, even if the rules changed, it makes no sense as Phoenix Point would need to create the keys in 1 year... after the rules have been "changed" (and when they make the launch into Steam).

Pixieking · Jun 30, 2019

Urgh. Fair enough. Why I expected different, I don't know, but I still did.

Deleted member 9305 · Jun 30, 2019

TioChuck said:
No ETA anymore.

Your fucking partners are caught in the middle here?! WTF. The only people caught in the middle are the backers, which are getting their goodwill and trust repaid in fuckyous, lies and bullshit. EGS will never see my business, Valve is at least somewhat pro consumer.

True Prophecy · Jun 30, 2019

TioChuck said:
No ETA anymore.

Complicated situation... he created this situation lol. I mean he put them in the middle of this doing the deal and refusing refunds to backers. Of course, he is somehow making this about Valve. All he is doing is trolling along about the current steam sale too. I also noticed he now has "devil in disguise" under his Bio. Very self-aware that Tim.

Hucast · Jun 30, 2019

Fishsnot said:
Just remember....

Oh wait a minute...?

Painful

morningbus · Jun 30, 2019

The best part is that it is literally only an Epic decision. Epic could change or ignore any of the terms that are creating the conflict if they were so inclined. Sweeney could wake up tomorrow morning after a long night of being visited by the spirits of Digital Distribution past, present, and future, open his front window and shout down to a young morningbus to take this sack of gold and deliver it to Yu Suzuki's house along with the fattest, most exclusive goose.

YuSuzzune · Jun 30, 2019

eonden said:
I just want to point out that the other KS game Epic got (Phoenix Point) promised exactly that, Steam keys in a year.

I know, because it was the easiest and simple thing to do. Steam keys one year later, Epic key with one year of dlcs at release.
But it seems Ys doeson't want to provide jackshit. Or Epic, or DeepSilver, or whanever is in charge.

Sumio Mondo · Jun 30, 2019

YuSuzzune said:
I know, because it was the easiest and simple thing to do. Steam keys one year later, Epic key with one year of dlcs at release.
But it seems Ys doeson't want to provide jackshit. Or Epic, or DeepSilver, or whanever is in charge.

Well it definitely isn't YsNet, that's for sure.

Demacabre · Jun 30, 2019

Bowl0l said:
Found a steak picture

TioChuck said:
I did my best

Ha! These work.

"Mother fucking Gabe eating crackers again" - Tim Sweeney's go-to response after doing something fucked up to consumers

Uzzy · Jun 30, 2019

morningbus said:
The best part is that it is literally only an Epic decision. Epic could change or ignore any of the terms that are creating the conflict if they were so inclined. Sweeney could wake up tomorrow morning after a long night of being visited by the spirits of Digital Distribution past, present, and future, open his front window and shout down to a young morningbus to take this sack of gold and deliver it to Yu Suzuki's house along with the fattest, most exclusive goose.

Sweeney: 'Bah, humbug'

Paul · Jun 30, 2019

Dammit Tim why you gotta be so annoying and disingenuous, still

Wotkar · Jun 30, 2019

lying timmy tencent still doing his average orange man impression

Kyle Cross · Jun 30, 2019

sirap said:
lmao, I doubt it.

You'll see the usual "it's just another launcher" crap, or calling fans petty (like EZA)

EZA said that?

Javetus · Jun 30, 2019

What kind of hallucination is this? Sweeney, just take another big bag of money and offer the refunds, it's not that hard.

GrrImAFridge · Jun 30, 2019

Paul said:
Dammit Tim why you gotta be so annoying and disingenuous, still

That he's saying everything he can to create the impression that providing Steam keys is impossible makes you wonder how many Phoenix Point backers opted for a refund/belated Steam key.

ShinNL · Jun 30, 2019

Fishsnot said:
No this is not fake. And yes, he really did tweet this:

But there is nothing wrong with this tweet...? Unless you twist it really hard and think he said something else. That's a normal statement from most gamers. As in WTF, since when do we love 'surprise mechanics', words put into our mouths by the EA spokesperson.

Example:
Statement: I don't consider it toxic water, but people enjoy swimming in 'mud'.
Tweet: WTF, people like to swim in 'mud' now?
Response: No, people don't like to swim in 'mud' and never will. You suck.
Me: This response guy.... *facepalm*

The "You suck" part is literally some of you and some of the tweets throwing a jab like he meant something else? Really?! You're trying to paint him as inhuman but if you respond like this, I have much more trouble reasoning with you instead.

Kyougar · Jun 30, 2019

ShinNL said:
But there is nothing wrong with this tweet...? Unless you twist it really hard and think he said something else. That's a normal statement from most gamers. As in WTF, since when do we love 'surprise mechanics', words put into our mouths by the EA spokesperson.

Example:
Statement: I don't consider it toxic water, but people enjoy swimming in 'mud'.
Tweet: WTF, people like to swim in 'mud' now?
Response: No, people don't like to swim in 'mud' and never will. You suck.
Me: This response guy.... *facepalm*

The "You suck" part is literally some of you and some of the tweets throwing a jab like he meant something else? Really?! You're trying to paint him as inhuman but if you respond like this, I have much more trouble reasoning with you instead.

Is this the reverse of "bitch eating cracker"?

He criticizes other companies for lootboxes. You know, the guy whose sole success in the last 2 years comes from microtransactions?

.exe · Jun 30, 2019

We live in opposite world where it isn't Epic "trapping" a game to its store with exclusivity terms but Valve for not allowing a game to use its services for free.

Dr. Ludwig · Jun 30, 2019

Ignoring the game of 4D chess Lyin' Timmy is playing, even if Deep Silver/YsNet are currently unwlling or (most likely because of pressure from Epic) incapable of providing Steam keys they can at least provide refunds to those who had requested.

Although, I can see Deep Silver refusing to provide refunds who will then deflect it back to YsNet since they'll claim that they run the kickstarter. Even though DS was the one who secured the deal with Epic in the first place...

What a clusterfuck.

GrrImAFridge · Jun 30, 2019

I understand the best course of action for Valve is to continue popcorn.gif-ing from the sidelines while Sweeney flails about on social media in an increasingly frantic fashion, but part of me wishes Kroll, Giardino, or another long-time Valve employee active on Twitter would engage, forcing him into a corner where he has to either begrudgingly make good on his word or very begrudgingly "admit" that he "misunderstood" the key generation guidelines and doesn't want to honour pre-existing backer commitments because doing so would sharply devalue Epic's "funding".

GhostTrick · Jun 30, 2019

https://www.twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1145160404672417795

Seems like Tim Sweeney admitted he's full of shit. He basically interpreted Valve's policy, since they received no answer yet.

GhostTrick · Jun 30, 2019

JaseC said:
I understand the best course of action for Valve is to continue popcorn.gif-ing from the sidelines while Sweeney flails about on social media in an increasingly frantic fashion, but part of me wishes Kroll, Giardino, or another long-time Valve employee active on Twitter would engage, forcing him into a corner where he has to either make good on his word or very begrudgingly "admit" that he "misunderstood" the key generation guidelines and doesn't want to honour pre-existing backer commitments because doing so would sharply devalue Epic's "funding".

Well, Tim did it by himself here:

https://www.twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1145160404672417795

That's basically his interpretation of the guideline since he has yet to receive clarifications on that matter. :)

GrrImAFridge · Jun 30, 2019

GhostTrick said:
Well, Tim did it by himself here:

https://www.twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1145160404672417795

That's basically his interpretation of the guideline since he has yet to receive clarifications on that matter. :)

One step closer to this:

JaseC said:
The annoying thing isn't that he expects Valve's help; it's that Valve wouldn't act in the way he has continually asserted since the proverbial shit hit the fan. I get the strong impression that he's throwing out his disingenuous inferences to see if Valve will bite, and if there is no correction (formal or otherwise), then he'll feel he's free to claim that Steam keys were sought but the request was denied, much like how EA publicly blamed the removal of Crysis 2 and Dragon Age 2 on Valve shortly after Origin "launched".

Just replace "denied" with "ignored". He's so predictable.

GhostTrick · Jun 30, 2019

JaseC said:
One step closer to this:

Just replace "denied" with "ignored". He's so predictable.

Honestly, I'd love for Valve to bite in and bring clarifications, allowing for backers to get Steam keys. Just so that Sweeney face his own shit. He kept babbling about how he's willing to do it, even pay for it. If that's the case, I'd love for someone at Valve to step in and say "We allow it, for free". It's also in their best interest. Backers to remain in their ecosystem.

sirap · Jun 30, 2019

Kyle Cross said:
EZA said that?

Yes. Ian dismissed the entire thing with the usual another launcher bs. Kyle said Shenmue fans should get over their pettiness and just play the game.

It was such a bad take it turned me off from the rest of their E3 coverage. Huber was the only one defending the backlash, so props to him for that.

Bowl0l · Jun 30, 2019

GhostTrick said:
Honestly, I'd love for Valve to bite in and bring clarifications, allowing for backers to get Steam keys. Just so that Sweeney face his own shit. He kept babbling about how he's willing to do it, even pay for it. If that's the case, I'd love for someone at Valve to step in and say "We allow it, for free". It's also in their best interest. Backers to remain in their ecosystem.

I hope Valve just remain silent because no matter what pro-customer move that Valve does, Epic will just find a way to demonize Valve. Let this KS be the force that burn all the good will of future PC Kickstarter backers.

GhostTrick · Jun 30, 2019

Bowl0l said:
I hope Valve just remain silent because no matter what pro-customer move that Valve does, Epic will just find a way to demonize Valve. Let this KS be the force that burn all the good will of future PC Kickstarter backers.

Honestly, I feel like Valve allowing it would be the best way possible. Either it would discourage Epic to moneyhat crowdfunded games OR it would force them to admit they bought backers too.

Cecil · Jun 30, 2019

sirap said:
Yes. Ian dismissed the entire thing with the usual another launcher bs. Kyle said Shenmue fans should get over their pettiness and just play the game.

It was such a bad take it turned me off from the rest of their E3 coverage. Huber was the only one defending the backlash, so props to him for that.

How in the world can anyone be so dumb that he accuses backers that have funded a game, expects promises to be kept, of petiness?

Kyle Cross · Jun 30, 2019

sirap said:
Yes. Ian dismissed the entire thing with the usual another launcher bs. Kyle said Shenmue fans should get over their pettiness and just play the game.

It was such a bad take it turned me off from the rest of their E3 coverage. Huber was the only one defending the backlash, so props to him for that.

I only recently started watching EZA; Huber is the one who's super into Shenmue, right? If so, that is a welcome surprise to hear him standing with the consumers.

Euler.L. · Jun 30, 2019

Kyougar said:
Is this the reverse of "bitch eating cracker"?

He criticizes other companies for lootboxes. You know, the guy whose sole success in the last 2 years comes from microtransactions?

Not a Fortnite expert but didn't you get exactly that for what you paid for in Fortnite?

Bowl0l · Jun 30, 2019

Euler.L. said:
Not a Fortnite expert but didn't you get exactly that for what you paid for in Fortnite?

You missed the loot box hearing that Epic has to attend and claimed they don't make a profit out of lootbox?

GhostTrick · Jun 30, 2019

Cecil said:
How in the world can anyone be so dumb that he accuses backers that have funded a game, expects promises to be kept, of petiness?

It seems for some people, the fact that Shenmue III happens to be a thing after all those years (which I waited for so long too) gives a pass for nearly evverything.
Basically : "Be glad it's even happening and be thankful" (despite being one of the many people who made it happen).

Zafir · Jun 30, 2019

Euler.L. said:
Not a Fortnite expert but didn't you get exactly that for what you paid for in Fortnite?

Fortnite BR never had lootboxes but STW does. That said they changed them quite a few months back so that you can actually see what you'll be getting in it before you buy now.

Bowl0l · Jun 30, 2019

Zafir said:
Fortnite BR never had lootboxes but STW does. That said they changed them quite a few months back so that you can actually see what you'll be getting in it before you buy now.

Doesn't revealing lootbox content defeats the purpose of lootbox?

Zafir · Jun 30, 2019

Bowl0l said:
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of lootbox?

I guess they're hoping people aren't patient. From what I remember(I've not played STW too much recently) theres a timer which dictates when the lootbox will "change" so if someone is impatient, they'd still have to buy that lootbox anyway to get a lootbox containing something different to show up.

Mind you, the paid lootboxes in STW were really awful anyway. They don't contain any limited event items which are the more interesting heroes/weapons, only a measly amount of tickets which can be used to open the limited crates. It's far more efficient just playing the game to earn those limited event tickets though. I've never once considered putting any of the vbucks(the paid currency) I've earned in STW into those paid lootcrates, so I can't even begin to imagine why anyone would consider putting any real money in.

ShinNL · Jun 30, 2019

Kyougar said:
Is this the reverse of "bitch eating cracker"?

He criticizes other companies for lootboxes. You know, the guy whose sole success in the last 2 years comes from microtransactions?

Well you are definitely bothered by the person saying "He's just eating a damn cracker".

Not all microtransactions are lootboxes. I can't believe I have to actually type that sentence to explain it on a gaming forum.

Mifec · Jun 30, 2019

sirap said:
Yes. Ian dismissed the entire thing with the usual another launcher bs. Kyle said Shenmue fans should get over their pettiness and just play the game.

It was such a bad take it turned me off from the rest of their E3 coverage. Huber was the only one defending the backlash, so props to him for that.

Ian and Kyle must like the taste of shoe polish.

Rogue Agent · Jun 30, 2019

Mifec said:
Ian and Kyle must like the taste of shoe polish.

Pretty much. Embarrassing takes from both them and they should fee stupid for even bothering to say such things. If they're ignorant about a topic, they should either do some basic research or shut up.

Reticon6 · Jun 30, 2019

sirap said:
Yes. Ian dismissed the entire thing with the usual another launcher bs. Kyle said Shenmue fans should get over their pettiness and just play the game.

It was such a bad take it turned me off from the rest of their E3 coverage. Huber was the only one defending the backlash, so props to him for that.

Which video was this? I'm saddened that Kyle would allow this to slide.

Seductivpancakes · Jun 30, 2019

Cecil said:
How in the world can anyone be so dumb that he accuses backers that have funded a game, expects promises to be kept, of petiness?

Cause people already accept shitty anti consumer practices just so they can play vidja games.

sirap · Jun 30, 2019

Reticon6 said:
Which video was this? I'm saddened that Kyle would allow this to slide.

It was in their Day 1 E3 impressions video. https://youtu.be/LI6ewATzVs0

GrrImAFridge · Jun 30, 2019

sirap said:
Huber was the only one defending the backlash, so props to him for that.

Kindasorta. He called out the "bs" and was rather passionate in his disagreement, but when his co-hosts played the "It's just another [icon]" card, he quickly acquiesced. I'd call that a lateral move: he disagrees with the situation, but not to the point that he's willing to defend his stance in the face of opposing opinions.

Kyle Cross · Jun 30, 2019

sirap said:
It was in their Day 1 E3 impressions video. https://youtu.be/LI6ewATzVs0

I timestapped it in this embed, if it doesn't work it starts at 1 hour and 12 minutes in.

Cecil · Jun 30, 2019

Never followed Easy Allies before, but they're not very impressive when it comes to analysis of a situation, based on what you see in the clip. The longhaired guy to the left being the worst of them.

Siresly · Jun 30, 2019

Tim Sweeney "misspeaking" about a statement coming this week isn't too much of a surprise.
But it was a timeframe for something being done. Now I expect jack shit, for them to just try to fart it away in the wind.

z1ggy said:
I wouldnt be so sure about that.

I would be sure about fans being less eager to push it.
We would've been there like during the Kickstarter campaign. Now what was and should've been a joyous event has mostly turned sour for a significant amount of us.

And I will certainly push against Shenmue 3 if this isn't satisfactorily resolved before release. Both because of this and because Deep Silver is a THQ Nordic company.

EloKa · Jun 30, 2019

GhostTrick said:
Honestly, I'd love for Valve to bite in and bring clarifications, allowing for backers to get Steam keys. Just so that Sweeney face his own shit. He kept babbling about how he's willing to do it, even pay for it. If that's the case, I'd love for someone at Valve to step in and say "We allow it, for free". It's also in their best interest. Backers to remain in their ecosystem.

The issue with such a reaction is that you can be pretty sure that Sweeney would use such an action as a wildcard for all further crowdfunded games that Epic buys as an exclusive.
Like "look, Steam can you give you your keys for free. They already did it once. If they don't do it now then blame them but DO NOT BLAME US!". He would absolutely tweet such stuff on a daily basis.

Dr. Ludwig · Jun 30, 2019

No matter what Valve does or says, Timmy will continue to deflect, misdirect and vilify Valve as the "Abusive monopoly" because it's all he has. He has no intention of helping consumers and solving core issues developers face when it comes to distributing their games.

Valve giving this idiot the silent treatment is the correct course of action although that presents its own set of problems with a media that is unwilling to criticize Sweeny and will signal boost whatever bullshit he spews.

GrrImAFridge · Jun 30, 2019

What's especially amusing about Sweeney claiming that Deep Silver hasn't heard back from Valve is that larger publishers are assigned a person on the Steam Business team to handle their inquiries. Steam Direct folks, like myself, or otherwise "smaller" outfits, have access to a ticket system that is overseen by the Steam Biz team as opposed to Steam Support; publishers of particular note, however, are assigned a contact on the Steam Biz team that they can liaise with directly.

Deep Silver isn't the publisher of JaseC Test App. Deep Silver is one the largest "AAAish" publishers in the industry.

Edit: I should also note that the likes of Deep Silver have access to a wider range of options on the Steamworks site (e.g. the ability to generate region-specific licences). In fact, I'd put money on key generation being automatic.

Bowl0l · Jun 30, 2019

If it's legal, I hope Valve shares whatever action Deep Silver and Epic has taken to communicate with them. I will not be surprised if Ys Net, Deep Silver and Epic has done nothing.

StereoVSN · Jun 30, 2019

Ahh, the usual bullshit from Sweeney and supporting chorus from gaming media. Not particularly shocked here.

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