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lol. Well, looks like backers will get what they want: to click on one symbol instead of another before playing a game.
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Ys net has heard the concerns regarding Epic Games Store exclusivity for Shenmue III and will assess the situation [Read Staff Post Before Posting]
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Well, thanks for coming into the thread to tell us all how much you don't care about this thread.
Glad you have your check mark so you can shitpost threads.
(Looks, with your 22 posts that sure shows you are part of the community)
And I guess checkmarks don't have to follow staff posts?
I never said you cant make a fuss, but said outrage happened, and now they responded quickly to the issue. At least we know something may done about it. Why can't we act mature and wait to see if they can resolve this issue?
Thanks for your journalistic input. Please see:
You know what you aren't helping with?
So do you think your checkmark protects your drive by posts in bad faith?
People were promised something in exchange of their money and they are going to get something else than what they were promised and refunds are being denied. What a non-issue!
What a useless drive-by troll post.
You're both right, happy to go into more detail instead of being reductive. The case that backers deserve a Steam version is thin to begin with, and mostly based on the pre-2019 assumption that if you're buying a game on PC, you're buying it for Steam. And I think this intersects with a separate issue people are having with Epic in general, based kind of on nothing.
did you not read the mod post? As a journalist, you all people should know that this is not about "clicking another symbol" as you put it.
...you'd think a games journalist would have been paying attention to this whole fiasco.
Anyway, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't in regards to refunds. I say give the people their money back.
Quickly? You mean initially telling backers 'tough luck, EGS only and no refunds'
I mean...I would buy Shenmue 3 on any platform...think that counts as a true fan. I dont care to own an Xbox One, but if Shenmue 3 were to be exclusive to it, I would buy a system just to play it.
There's no response other than "We'll look into it i guess" five days after the fact. You'll forgive people for not having the good will to take them at their word and making sure that they aren't just wating for this to blow over.
you didn't actually read the things people told you to read did you
So sad that a journalist fails to do basic research.
When the company itself released a form to all backers to finalize which version of the game they were getting.
Which Stated Steam or PS4.
It's literally In the giant block of purple text you felt you didn't have to read and went to shitpost.
You're right, might as well give people their money back. Kickstarters are messy business.
And we launch into the dismissive "just another launcher" right on cue.
The problem here is simple, people paid expecting a Steam Key or a Disk with a Steam Game, people will not be getting any of those, people want a refund, they denied the refund, people are pissed, rightfully so.
You didn't read the staff posts before coming in, did you?
No... it's based on the fact that people have literally chosen "steam" out of the list of versions they could pick.
In the initial Kickstarter that assumption was made. But there's more than just the initial campaign.
I hope your not directing that at me because I was saying that it's MORE then that and he was arguing in bad faith.
I know of this, and I guess that for the "spirit" of buying a game, this feels thin. But to the letter of the law, they would owe a Steam version. That's why it feels like a non-issue that people have decided to make one.
How nice of you to determine what the spirit of buying the game is to people that backed the game.
Switched to PS4 because I didn't want to manage yet another online account but I'll switch back to Steam if they add the option to get the key after the exclusivity period. I probably won't get around to playing it until then anyway.
Thanks for coming in with your drive-by hot takes and not reading the mod post, did someone need attention today?
Man people are just jumping at the chance to make bad faith arguments without reading the staff posts, it's wild.
Looking forward to see what Ys has to say about this situation once they get back from E3. Shit ain't looking good for the last 60% of Ryo's story.
Looking forward to see what Ys has to say about this situation once they get back from E3. Shit ain't looking good for the last 60% of Ryo's story.
Moving on, this just sounds like typical PR speak but it does seem like the pressure is getting to them. I don't expect them to hand out refunds but I do suspect that they will honor what the backers want which is the best realistic outcome IMO.
They had to sign the NDA to even begin negotiations, supposedly. So they didn't even know what money was on offer or what the offer was.
But you are getting affected. You are already thinking of avoiding kickstarter projects. This is the real essence of this Shenmue fiasco.
Epic knows if the discussions of exclusivity gets out to the public, the PR backlash will break down negotiations or force them to pay more.
Its a nobrainer for Epic to require it
I understand what you're saying. Personally I don't think there would be much of a backlash at all if they swapped to, say, GoG. I kind of feel like it exists because of the closed nature of EGS and the baggage that it carries in core gaming communities.
I mean, yeah. The responsible thing for a crowdfunded campaign to so would be to decline any NDA'd exclusivity offer and request that any offer be negotiable and accountable to backers.
Kind of childish of you, with that reaction image in this context?
They must be extremely shut out from the "real world" or so much detached from their potential fanbase that Developers only see the excitement of the money Epic is throwing around and not of the dozens of backlashes that are all over the Internet.
For some people I know who have opted to take these deals, the alternative was risk shutting down the studio or lay off employees since today's PC climate is insanely competitive and certainty of sales performance is not a given. I don't think risk aversion is not something we should shame people for when they have the responsibility of keeping food on the table for their employees and their families.
Please note I'm not specifically talking about Shenmue 3 here, but the aforementioned local dev community.
Oh, you write for PC Gamer. Well that explains a lot.
Relying on journalists to properly research the whole EGS mess is a fool's errand. They'll just copy paste whatever garbage that comes from Sweeny's mouth.
From my understanding no one officially on the dev team responded that way.
Someone was speaking for them, if they are that badly managed that someone else that was not suppose to speak for them, put out that message, they even more deserve this backlash.
Deep Silver is developing a distinct pattern of behavior lately.
I'd argue the best way to fight fire here is...with fire. If Valve cares that much about it, I'm sure they have the money to pony up for some exclusives of their own.
That's sounds like it would just make things much worse for the consumer.
I hope Valve never do this. There's nothing to be gained from locking games to certain plarforms other than generate bad blood among the community.
What a coincidence...
They write for PC Gamer who just happened to have a show at E3 sponsored by....drum roll please...Epic Games
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