This game has been involved in not so subtle bigotry displays since the very start, but people are making the best they can to pretend they don't know, because it's supposed to be fun and has Keanu Reeves on it.
I'm know I'm not playing it.
Isn't that offensive, mentioning their nationality in a negative tone.Cause the studio is mostly conservative white polish dudes, and it's ignorant at best, and actively reactionary at worst?
You're not subtle.Isn't that offensive, mentioning their nationality in a negative tone.
Trying to turn the criticism around to them actually being offensive instead. Mentioning them being Polish in that post had no such negative connonations that you implied. The post you quoted clearly refers to the very specific group of developers of this game (who happen to be Polish) & isn't some grand judgment of all Polish people. It isn't offensive, just like mentioning them being white isn't racist.
That's nonsense, there was no need whatsoever for their nationality to be mentioned but it was anyway. In a post that's supposedly focused on people being offensive and insensitive.Trying to turn the criticism around to them actually being offensive instead. Mentioning them being Polish in that post had no such negative connonations that you implied. The post you quoted clearly refers to the very specific group of developers of this game (who happen to be Polish) & isn't some grand judgment of all Polish people. It isn't offensive, just like mentioning them being white isn't racist.
Something of an oversight, but I don't necessarily see that as being any more transphobic than games which lock players into a more rigid binary. Which isn't to excuse it, and fingers crossed they add the toggle, but as I understand, they still give a good bit of choice in this regard. Would be nice to have more, of course, but I don't know if I'd especially castigate them over missing this. So hopefully they can offer the option with their few more months of polish.
So you would be satisfied if they just snipped "voice" off of the option?If they went the traditional way (foregoing the punk part) of choosing pronoun and assigning a voice to that, that would be massively better. Disappointing, but better. Instead they seem to give you the choice of voice and assume your gender based on that. That is a huge issue.
So far the only commendable thing I've seen is the decoupling of voice and body type.
Meanwhile - every other game with character creation doesn't even let you do that what we'll have here.
It sucks it isn't good enough, but isn't it at least step in the right direction?
It's not nonsense. That didn't make the post insensitive or offensive.That's nonsense, there was no need whatsoever for their nationality to be mentioned but it was anyway. In a post that's supposedly focused on people being offensive and insensitive.
Not really. That is to say CDPR specifically mentioned gender identity as something they wanted to tackle (if memory serves me right that was in fact a reaction to the transphobic twitter history and issues taken with the artwork). For them to miss the boat so massively is upsetting.So you would be satisfied if they just snipped "voice" off of the option?
Don't forget that the whole issue of pronouns came up very late in development (doesn't feel so late with all the delays, but still...). The game wasn't built around it.They added and modeled multiple genital and nipple options but they didn't bother to have a small menu to select a character's pronouns? 😒
You don't get it so I'm not wasting any more of my time.It's not nonsense. That didn't make the post insensitive or offensive.
Oh for sure. Best, of course, would be to offer the ability to choose both. It is very much an issue, and one I hope they change. I like to think it's an oversight, however, and I don't know if I'd automatically bucket CDPR as necessarily more transphobic than companies which don't even have that decoupling to begin with, which is to say, most of them. So these particular charges towards them seems...well, let's hope it can spur positive change, not just with CDPR, but across the industry.If they went the traditional way (foregoing the punk part) of choosing pronoun and assigning a voice to that, that would be massively better. Disappointing, but better. Instead they seem to give you the choice of voice and assume your gender based on that. That is a huge issue.
So far the only commendable thing I've seen is the decoupling of voice and body type.
Oh for sure. Best, of course, would be to offer the ability to choose both. It is very much an issue, and one I hope they change. I like to think it's an oversight, however, and I don't know if I'd automatically bucket CDPR as necessarily more transphobic than companies which don't even have that decoupling to begin with, which is to say, most of them. So these particular charges towards them seems...well, let's hope it can spur positive change, not just with CDPR, but across the industry.
I think (although I'm not a member of the transgender community, so feel free to tell me I'm wrong) that this seems a lot more transphobic than the binary options that most games have. Not only were CDPR originally suggesting that you didn't have to choose a gender, this chooses a gender for you in the stupidest way. Someone who is transgender can still have a masculine or feminine voice before, during and after transition. It's basically saying that even if you're, say, a transgender man, because your voice may be a higher pitch, or more feminine then the game uses the pronouns for a woman even though it's wrong.Something of an oversight, but I don't necessarily see that as being any more transphobic than games which lock players into a more rigid binary. Which isn't to excuse it, and fingers crossed they add the toggle, but as I understand, they still give a good bit of choice in this regard. Would be nice to have more, of course, but I don't know if I'd especially castigate them over missing this. So hopefully they can offer the option with their few more months of polish.
This is fair to look at it. I am also not trans, so I'm not in a position to say whether not offering a pronoun choice with body decoupling is more or less transphobic than offering neither a choice nor decoupling. I'd be curious to get some other people's thoughts on the matter and learn more since I can't know myself.Even if this doesn't turn out to be true, although it seems like something they would do, there's already so much controversy surrounding the game and CDPR that I've been hesitant about this game for a while.
I think (although I'm not a member of the transgender community, so feel free to tell me I'm wrong) that this seems a lot more transphobic than the binary options that most games have. Not only were CDPR originally suggesting that you didn't have to choose a gender, this chooses a gender for you in the stupidest way. Someone who is transgender can still have a masculine or feminine voice before, during and after transition. It's basically saying that even if you're, say, a transgender man, because your voice may be a higher pitch, or more feminine then the game uses the pronouns for a woman even though it's wrong.
I mean every time there has been controversy surrounding the game there have been people defending them.and pleading that they were ignorant because they are a Polish developer and Poland isn't as progressive. It comes up every single time and is a shitty defenseThat's nonsense, there was no need whatsoever for their nationality to be mentioned but it was anyway. In a post that's supposedly focused on people being offensive and insensitive.
Isn't that offensive, mentioning their nationality in a negative tone.
To do it right (male female conversations with varying tones) might involve recording 100 percent more dialogueGetting real tired of this "It would have cost too much money to do this system right." Or "it was too late in development to fix." Arguments as if CDPR didn't sell 50 million copies of the Witcher 3, and that they are somehow still a tiny indie tier developer....
Ok but if the people are supposed to be thugs in the game, if they stay in character, I can't see them all respecting gender neutrality. They are supposed to be the bottom of society, not politically correct.
Then they should do it right, or not bother.To do it right (male female conversations with varying tones) might involve recording 100 percent more dialogue
Mentioning that they're Polish (a country whose President and governing party are LGBT haters, and where dozens of municipalities have enacted LGBT-free zones) is offensive?
That's nonsense, there was no need whatsoever for their nationality to be mentioned but it was anyway. In a post that's supposedly focused on people being offensive and insensitive.
It might also mean that making changes to the dialogue would take a 100 percent more effort. Which might be happening since apparently they're aware of criticism about the dialogue. They undoubtedly have the resources to do it but it would mean resources would be reallocated from other areas of polish.Then they should do it right, or not bother.
This game is guaranteed to be 10+ million seller and could easily have the legs of the Witcher series... Voice acting money isn't going to break them.
Even Shovel Knight does a (much) better job with gender than this and they're a pretty small studio.
To do it right (male female conversations with varying tones) might involve recording 100 percent more dialogue
yeah and IF you were American I could use sweeping generalisations such as it being presided by a woman hating, racist, bigot and by proxy all Americans must be likewise.
I don't think you're gonna get many Americans here who would be offended at someone shit-talking America rnyeah and IF you were American I could use sweeping generalisations such as it being presided by a woman hating, racist, bigot and by proxy all Americans must be likewise.
Either they put forth the effort to do things correctly, or don't tackle a subject they're not capable of handling.It might also mean that making changes to the dialogue would take a 100 percent more effort. Which might be happening since apparently they're aware of criticism about the dialogue. They undoubtedly have the resources to do it but it would mean resources would be reallocated from other areas of polish.
It might also mean that making changes to the dialogue would take a 100 percent more effort. Which might be happening since apparently they're aware of criticism about the dialogue. They undoubtedly have the resources to do it but it would mean resources would be reallocated from other areas of polish.