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Oct 29, 2017
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Can be tied to the one I later quoted.

Care to explain?

Well I'm going to elaborate anyway. I despise societies where everyone is truly equal. You should have the option to thrive for certain things that others might not and you should work for those things. The whole point of some previous ideas that I quoted that if somebody is perfectly fine with the minimum, which is provided no matter what than they can happily live while doing absolutely nothing.

They have the opportunity to start doing whatever they want, whenever they want with no discrimination.

Please don't take away personal freedom because somebody thinks I want X from my life.
 
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MarkN

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Oct 13, 2018
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My sister and I were just talking about this sort of thing actually. She had this interesting idea of basically moving humanity onto a "Elysium" type structure that orbits the earth. Then you give the planet back to nature thus creating a much denser and richer ecosystem for humanity to co exist with. Humans would still have access to the planet for science, food and leisure but we can't build and pollute the environment. Obviously this is thousands of years from now kind of stuff. We were discussing how humanities need to consume is going to drive humanity either to extinction or to another planet.
 

EVIL

Senior Concept Artist
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
2,783
What about it? How does it benefit the human race? What is it's purpose? I've spent most of my life trying to look good for other people and spending money on flash shit and it didn't benefit me at all. All it did was show me how shallow life is. If we were all issued the same clothing, all of this peacocking will be gone.
individuality, art, freedom to express yourself, you underestimate how much impact that had, on culture, on the development of langue, communication, iconography. It inspires to create, to invent, to be creative. most of the technologies and stuff you know today would not have been created if people would be sheep, fed by a worldwide over imposing government power. what to think what to feel and what to do. Art and creativity is at the core of all humans development.

Free of bigotry to the expense of sacrificing individuality, the ability to freely express and human progress, free of the chance for people to learn of mistakes and to truly grow as a species.
 
Ideally there would be a very high minimum wage that is dependent on where you live. Billionaires and mega millionaires wouldn't exist. You accumulated $500 million in one lifetime? Congrats, you've won the game, now every cent over that will be reinvested back into society with a focus on infrastructure. There would also be a very strong UBI component and a universal bill of rights for workers. People who are unemployed and want to contribute to society will get first priority for reputable jobs. People who are citizens of a nation state and have no criminal record will also get priority as it's only fair to the people that played the game and did as they were told in society. Finally, guns would be outlawed and corporate tax havens wouldn't exist. There's more I could add, but I'd have to think more first.
 

Kay

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,077
work is fully-automated, energy is free and clean, and shelter, food and water is provided to who needs. Humans are free to express themselves free of market pressure. Communities are strong but not forced upon you. Philosophy, music, writing, science can be studied by anyone who wishes to explore them and disciplines can be changed at leisure. The stresses and pressures that cause bigotry and sexism are removed by a long cultural and material shift and we basically create the a garden of eden on earth.

At that point we wouldn't even need to go to space imo.
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
44,171
Can be tied to the one I later quoted.

Care to explain?

Well I'm going to elaborate anyway. I despise societies where everyone is truly equal. You should have the option to thrive for certain things that others might not and you should work for those things. The whole point of some previous ideas that I quoted that if somebody is perfectly fine with the minimum, which is provided no matter what than they can happily live while doing absolutely nothing.

They have the opportunity to start doing whatever they want, whenever they want with no discrimination.

Please don't take away personal freedom because somebody thinks I want X from my life.

People aren't more or less equal because of the productivity they create.

Going outside of the "unrealistic vision" zone:

One can work hard to build their own skills or knowledge or craft. There's no need for people in society to work hard to amass capital in a world where poverty doesn't exist as a concept (and it only exists so the people on top can accumulate more wealth).

From a resource and labor standpoint, it simply isn't possible to create a global baseline of "everyone has their needs taken care of, but some people can go off and be business moguls if they want." That sort of wealth is only acquired from vast exploitation of resource and labor. If this planet is going to survive, we are going to have to work cooperatively and for the betterment of our communities than for the individuals.
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,006
People aren't more or less equal because of the productivity they create.

Going outside of the "unrealistic vision" zone:

One can work hard to build their own skills or knowledge or craft. There's no need for people in society to work hard to amass capital in a world where poverty doesn't exist as a concept (and it only exists so the people on top can accumulate more wealth).

From a resource and labor standpoint, it simply isn't possible to create a global baseline of "everyone has their needs taken care of, but some people can go off and be business moguls if they want." That sort of wealth is only acquired from vast exploitation of resource and labor. If this planet is going to survive, we are going to have to work cooperatively and for the betterment of our communities than for the individuals.

They are not equal because they are individuals with individualistic needs.

I don't want to work and amass wealth to be a billionaire.

Ideas above mentioned a hardline for wealth, after which your income goes to fund any social projects.

I understand what you are saying. If this utopistic government could fund literally any project I would agree.

But what if I want a nice house at the edge of a lake? I can't do it alone and the government won't provide it because then everybody must have a lakeside house even if they don't want it. I don't think it would be a exploitation if I could provide services/products for people to help me build my lakeside house. Mainly because they have everything they need. If they would like to help me for some extra they can do that, but I can't make them slaves because they are not depending on me.


I know people despise capitalism here when it comes to politics but I truly believe that it works extremely well if you eliminate the very radical top which basically break the system.

Capitalist elements of society were the reason that if you lived in a rural area in Hungary after the revolution life had meaning and people thrived. It was limited, nobody got exploited.
 
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Traxus

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Jan 2, 2018
5,197
The points are stored on a AI controlled server that will tally the points of everyone on earth. Based on how well you work, or how well you perform as a member of your community will help the AI decide how many points you'll earn per month.

A form of punishment, rather than jail terms, will be to have these points removed, but the amount of points removed are decided by your peers and agreed upon by the AI keeper.
LMAO, you went from describing an Orwellian dystopia to the nightmarish future of Terminator or The Matrix where the robots won. Epic troll thread.
 

Resetta Stone

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,516
Nothing, Arizona
work is fully-automated, energy is free and clean, and shelter, food and water is provided to who needs. Humans are free to express themselves free of market pressure. Communities are strong but not forced upon you. Philosophy, music, writing, science can be studied by anyone who wishes to explore them and disciplines can be changed at leisure. The stresses and pressures that cause bigotry and sexism are removed by a long cultural and material shift and we basically create the a garden of eden on earth.

At that point we wouldn't even need to go to space imo.

But after all of that...it would be the final frontier. Picard said so :(
 

Haze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,785
Detroit, MI
Can be tied to the one I later quoted.

Care to explain?

Well I'm going to elaborate anyway. I despise societies where everyone is truly equal. You should have the option to thrive for certain things that others might not and you should work for those things. The whole point of some previous ideas that I quoted that if somebody is perfectly fine with the minimum, which is provided no matter what than they can happily live while doing absolutely nothing.

They have the opportunity to start doing whatever they want, whenever they want with no discrimination.

Please don't take away personal freedom because somebody thinks I want X from my life.

Marx never advocated or alluded to the idea of pure egalitarianism. He stressed the idea of economic equality through the abolition of class which would result, broadly, in a post-scarcity, post-commodity society in which everyone has equal access to things they need instead of being stuck in a futile cycle of fulfilling the bottom rung of maslow's hierarchy of needs.

There will always be people who are smarter. more creative, stronger, more athletic than others. It's unavoidable because humans are individuals. But communism stresses a synthesis of the individual and the society that the individual needs to project itself against to even exist.

When individuals aren't trapped in a rat race to acquire food and shelter at jobs they despise, they have the time to be creative and have true freedom.

You're no longer a wage slave with the illusion of freedom because you can choose what color socks to wear or what to buy for lunch.

You're truly free.
 
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Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
44,171
They are not equal because they are individuals with individualistic needs.

I don't want to work and amass wealth to be a billionaire.

Ideas above mentioned a hardline for wealth, after which your income goes to fund any social projects.

I understand what you are saying. If this utopistic government could fund literally any project I would agree.

But what if I want a nice house at the edge of a lake? I can't do it alone and the government won't provide it because then everybody must have a lakeside house even if they don't want it. I don't think it would be a exploitation if I could provide services/products for people to help me build my lakeside house. Mainly because they have everything they need. If they would like to help me for some extra they can do that, but I can't make them slaves because they are not depending on me.


I know people despise capitalism here when it comes to politics but I truly believe that it works extremely well if you eliminate the very radical top which basically break the system.

Capitalist elements of society were the reason that if you lived in a rural area in Hungary after the revolution life had meaning and people thrived. It was limited, nobody got exploited.

Capitalism is working as intended, the wealthy are becoming richer and the poor and becoming more and more destitute. It is not a bug, it is a feature. The capitalists will fight tooth and nail on any reforms as long as it gets in the way of their profit margins. And the system cannot exist without an exploited underclass, and in many cases that exploited underclass is the global south and the people who live there. It simply isn't sustainable to create a world where every country runs like a Nordic social democracy. It must go beyond that. A world beyond nation-states, a world of communities.

You aren't owed a nice lakeside house just because you accumulate capital. However, in a world where there is no private property, you could certainly move next to a lake and build a house if you felt so inclined. How do you get the resources and labor for that? Perhaps living among your community as an equal and not treating them as expendable labor is a start.
 

MillionStabs

Member
Jan 11, 2018
511
If you had unlimited power to shape the earth how you see fit, what would it look like?

I had a discussion with my wife yesterday about our ideal visions for the planet and I'm pleased that we both came up with the same ideas! This just a pipe dream and I don't expect to see this, but this is our perfect fantasy. It's also a idea I raised before on these boards, but not in so much detail.

One world government. No more nations means no more nationalism.

Free housing. The government will provide you with housing, UBI benefit and will assign you a job based on your skills, so you'll never need to search for a job again.

No more capitalism or money and no more materialistic objects. Everything will be government issued, including clothing and phones. Everyone will wear the same clothing, have the same shoes, the same phone, the same hair styles etc.

If you do well at your job and also do well within society, you'll be rewarded with points. These points can be exchanged for luxury items like a holiday or new television.

Right wing policies and politics are banned. Everything is left or far-left only.

No more armed forces. If we're all under a one world government, there is no war or conflict. That means no guns, tanks, warships etc. All of that is scrapped. All the money that we used to spend killing each other is now put towards science, medical research etc. Basically anything that benefits mankind.

No more prison system and no police. Each micro region will decide on either punishment or redemption how it sees fit.

There are still lots that myself and my wife need to iron out, but I was happy that we both shared the same idea of a paradise vision of Earth, although we know full well this would never happen in our life times.

So if you had these reality bending powers, what would your ideal vision of Earth look like?
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Pretty sure you visit that world in Doom. It's called Hell
 

Kay

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,077
But after all of that...it would be the final frontier. Picard said so :(
I mean, we probably still could go to space if the material cost wouldn't impact the lives of the people working toward it. I'm just saying it would be an after thought, if we could create a truely free society would the drive to escape continue being a sub-conscious drive?
 

Kay

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,077
They are not equal because they are individuals with individualistic needs.

I don't want to work and amass wealth to be a billionaire.

Ideas above mentioned a hardline for wealth, after which your income goes to fund any social projects.

I understand what you are saying. If this utopistic government could fund literally any project I would agree.

But what if I want a nice house at the edge of a lake? I can't do it alone and the government won't provide it because then everybody must have a lakeside house even if they don't want it. I don't think it would be a exploitation if I could provide services/products for people to help me build my lakeside house. Mainly because they have everything they need. If they would like to help me for some extra they can do that, but I can't make them slaves because they are not depending on me.


I know people despise capitalism here when it comes to politics but I truly believe that it works extremely well if you eliminate the very radical top which basically break the system.

Capitalist elements of society were the reason that if you lived in a rural area in Hungary after the revolution life had meaning and people thrived. It was limited, nobody got exploited.
Your solution to capitalism to remove the capitalist class? Wish their was a term for this ideaology...
 

Mekanos

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Member
Oct 17, 2018
44,171
I mean, we probably still could go to space if the material cost wouldn't impact the lives of the people working toward it. I'm just saying it would be an after thought, if we could create a truely free society would the drive to escape continue being a sub-conscious drive?

I think human beings are still curious creatures and we would want to eventually go into space but probably not for several generations of sustainable living and technology adapting to the point of it being feasible without y'know, exploitation.

Like if we established post-scarcity tomorrow I don't think we would see travel to other planets (maybe Mars) in our lifetime.
 

Resetta Stone

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,516
Nothing, Arizona
I mean, we probably still could go to space if the material cost wouldn't impact the lives of the people working toward it. I'm just saying it would be an after thought, if we could create a truely free society would the drive to escape continue being a sub-conscious drive?

Maybe for some, but this dove tails into the point of people freely exploring hobbies like philosophy and our existence. Space exploration would be akin to a hobby and to gather a deeper understanding of the universe. Humans are fundamentally curious after all.
 

Quzar

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
1,166
Anarcho-Communism, but its not unrealistic because it's not possible. It's just unrealistic because most people can't imagine living outside of a system they already exist within.
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,006
Capitalism is working as intended, the wealthy are becoming richer and the poor and becoming more and more destitute. It is not a bug, it is a feature. The capitalists will fight tooth and nail on any reforms as long as it gets in the way of their profit margins. And the system cannot exist without an exploited underclass, and in many cases that exploited underclass is the global south and the people who live there. It simply isn't sustainable to create a world where every country runs like a Nordic social democracy. It must go beyond that. A world beyond nation-states, a world of communities.

You aren't owed a nice lakeside house just because you accumulate capital. However, in a world where there is no private property, you could certainly move next to a lake and build a house if you felt so inclined. How do you get the resources and labor for that? Perhaps living among your community as an equal and not treating them as expendable labor is a start.

I don't know how in my idea I treat people as expendable labor, but ok I guess.

I really wish people would take a closer look at post-socialist countries and their history. Stuff like háztáji gazdálkodás in Hungary.

Economies based on free market philosophies are a lot more complex than "capitalism is evil".

There is a reason why we can easily talk about this here and I couldn't have done it 50 years ago :).
 

Haze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,785
Detroit, MI
I don't know how in my idea I treat people as expendable labor, but ok I guess.

I really wish people would take a closer look at post-socialist countries and their history. Stuff like háztáji gazdálkodás in Hungary.

Economies based on free market philosophies are a lot more complex than "capitalism is evil".

There is a reason why we can easily talk about this here and I couldn't have done it 50 years ago :).

How's capitalism doing for Latin America rn
 

Vilam

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,055
If you had unlimited power to shape the earth how you see fit, what would it look like?

I had a discussion with my wife yesterday about our ideal visions for the planet and I'm pleased that we both came up with the same ideas! This just a pipe dream and I don't expect to see this, but this is our perfect fantasy. It's also a idea I raised before on these boards, but not in so much detail.

One world government. No more nations means no more nationalism.

Free housing. The government will provide you with housing, UBI benefit and will assign you a job based on your skills, so you'll never need to search for a job again.

No more capitalism or money and no more materialistic objects. Everything will be government issued, including clothing and phones. Everyone will wear the same clothing, have the same shoes, the same phone, the same hair styles etc.

If you do well at your job and also do well within society, you'll be rewarded with points. These points can be exchanged for luxury items like a holiday or new television.

Right wing policies and politics are banned. Everything is left or far-left only.

No more armed forces. If we're all under a one world government, there is no war or conflict. That means no guns, tanks, warships etc. All of that is scrapped. All the money that we used to spend killing each other is now put towards science, medical research etc. Basically anything that benefits mankind.

No more prison system and no police. Each micro region will decide on either punishment or redemption how it sees fit.

There are still lots that myself and my wife need to iron out, but I was happy that we both shared the same idea of a paradise vision of Earth, although we know full well this would never happen in our life times.

So if you had these reality bending powers, what would your ideal vision of Earth look like?

Fucking nightmarish. Knowing there are people out there that would happily use political power to push these ideas onto others is terrifying, but also an apt reminder to continue to fight for your personal rights and beliefs lest they're taken away from you.



I've spent most of my life trying to look good for other people and spending money on flash shit and it didn't benefit me at all.

Go figure out your personal issues with a therapist and leave me the fuck alone.
 

Quzar

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
1,166
I don't know how in my idea I treat people as expendable labor, but ok I guess.

I really wish people would take a closer look at post-socialist countries and their history. Stuff like háztáji gazdálkodás in Hungary.

Economies based on free market philosophies are a lot more complex than "capitalism is evil".

There is a reason why we can easily talk about this here and I couldn't have done it 50 years ago :).
Capitalism by default exploits labor. What capitalist company is gonna pay workers the full value of their labor and only pay for materials?
 

Haze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,785
Detroit, MI
We are talking about utopias.

You already know the answer to your question. I could ask the same about Venezuela.

It's pointless. Neither system is good.

Venezuela didn't fail because it's socialist, it failed mostly because its major commodity (in a commodity based world market) tanked in no small part due to tariffs and sanctions on its exports to essentially cripple its economy.

Capitalist nations have worked diligently to destroy successful socialist states since they started popping up after WW2
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,006
Capitalism by default exploits labor. What capitalist company is gonna pay workers the full value of their labor and only pay for materials?

I would like to remind you that we are still talking about a utopia.

The labor force in this scenario can hardly be exploited, since they don't actually need what I would potentially make/help them with. If they don't want my help in exchange for theirs they can just go on and do their thing. Maybe they help because they just want to help for free. If I have a bunch of leftover nice chairs or something I would probably give it to them because why not, it's not like I need to pay the bills.

I'm simply willing to provide something in return. It's not like I keeping them hostage because they can't get healthcare or they lose their home if they don't work for an international conglomerate.
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,006
Venezuela didn't fail because it's socialist, it failed mostly because its major commodity (in a commodity based world market) tanked in no small part due to tariffs and sanctions on its exports to essentially cripple its economy.

Capitalist nations have worked diligently to destroy successful socialist states since they started popping up after WW2

Right.

FYI I had relatives that I never got to meet because the innocent dictatorship of the proletariat which is in no way a feature of the great system that will bring us to true communism decided that they had to rot in Röszk and die because they did not like the Party.

So yeah, in my humble opinion bitching about the rigged capitalist system and then looking at hardcore socialism is insane.

But I guess these people had to die because of the capitalists too right? Or because the implementation was bad? How strange that no matter how many times we try we end up with the same results.
 

Quzar

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
1,166
I would like to remind you that we are still talking about a utopia.

The labor force in this scenario can hardly be exploited, since they don't actually need what I would potentially make/help them with. If they don't want my help in exchange for theirs they can just go on and do their thing. Maybe they help because they just want to help for free. If I have a bunch of leftover nice chairs or something I would probably give it to them because why not, it's not like I need to pay the bills.

I'm simply willing to provide something in return. It's not like I keeping them hostage because they can't get healthcare or they lose their home if they don't work for an international conglomerate.
Yes, which capitalism in it's own rule set can not work within. A Capitalist makes profit by supplying materials for labor, and then not paying the full value of labor in order to make profit. You're arguing for socialism here lmao. What you're asking for is socialism, your example works in socialism. If you are providing material, and asking a community to make something, and they do so because they just want to do it because their material needs are already met, THATS SOCIALISM.
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,006
Yes, which capitalism in it's own rule set can not work within. A Capitalist makes profit by supplying materials for labor, and then not paying the full value of labor in order to make profit. You're arguing for socialism here lmao. What you're asking for is socialism, your example works in socialism. If you are providing material, and asking a community to make something, and they do so because they just want to do it because their material needs are already met, THATS SOCIALISM.

Fine, it was an idea, it can be called however we please.

And you are right, it has much more in common with socialism than capital accumulation, and by design all of the parts that are in my opinion make capitalism a very shitty thing today.

I argue for a somewhat-market, and not for a completely planned economy as described by OP in which what I imagined would not be possible.

I disagree on the fact that this is full-on socialism though. There is in a sense private-property and by all historical examples of "socialism", planned economies never really left you the option to do things like this.
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
I'm a transhumanist that has probably spent too much time thinking about how the world could be improved, so my version of "Earth" would probably be weird and counterintuitive for many. That said, The Culture from Iain Banks' books would be a pretty close approximation.

In a post-scarcity society with unlimited resources, economic policy differences becomes essentially irrelevant (there is no "left" or "right" when everyone has everything they want). The most relevant issues that remain is to estabilish the boundaries between each individual's freedoms with regards to others, and conflict solving.
 

Quzar

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
1,166
Fine, it was an idea, it can be called however we please.

And you are right, it has much more in common with socialism than capital accumulation, and by design all of the parts that are in my opinion make capitalism a very shitty thing today.

I argue for a somewhat-market, and not for a completely planned economy as described by OP in which what I imagined would not be possible.
I think there is something to be said about moving towards a planned economy for each country before getting rid of capitalism outright, mostly because the facade of "economies" would have to dissolve before embracing world socialism. There are market mechanisms of course that would stay, like the one you describe.
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,006
I think there is something to be said about moving towards a planned economy for each country before getting rid of capitalism outright, mostly because the facade of "economies" would have to dissolve before embracing world socialism. There are market mechanisms of course that would stay, like the one you describe.

Yes, while I have many many problems with planned economies as of today, in a utopia we could potentially solve that problem, let that be automation or anything else.

I made the mistake of using capitalism so much where I wasn't really talking about that, but market mechanisms. Which I would not like to see eliminated completely.

That's fair and it is my mistake.
 

DavidDesu

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
5,718
Glasgow, Scotland
I think there should be a reduction in the numbers of things we make, as in the variety. I do think it's ridiculous how we constantly have new styles of trainers, by the thousands even from one company, year on year on year. I get it, we like fashion and newness but it really isn't needed. There should be scope for some of course, but why can't we have a handful of companies making super functional well designed products that stand the test of time, made affordable due to the scale and lack of change for change sake?

Not the dystopian "we all have the same hair style" as the OP suggests, but there is scope for most people to select from a smaller range of products. We only really have a few different styles of clothing really anyway worldwide, why the endless minute variation and tons of companies all competing and using huge resources to create a slightly different shoe or top? It is hugely wasteful.
 

Quzar

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
1,166
Yes, while I have many many problems with planned economies as of today, in a utopia we could potentially solve that problem, let that be automation or anything else.

I made the mistake of using capitalism so much where I wasn't really talking about that, but market mechanisms. Which I would not like to see eliminated completely.

That's fair and it is my mistake.
Sure, It's also not completely Utopian in that this thing would be possible if the USA were to adopt socialism, since they are the global protectors of Capitalism.
 

Bosch

Banned
May 15, 2019
3,680
People doing what they want to do. No one needing to work it just if they want. It is ridiculous how people are losing their lives @ jobs they hate spending most hours of their week there :/
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,006
Sure, It's also not completely Utopian in that this thing would be possible if the USA were to adopt socialism, since they are the global protectors of Capitalism.

The US has a huge opportunity to create a decently good society. I think the key to that is their individualistic history.

I feel like the US has the best chance to lift things that we should truly thrive for from socialist philosophies and protect the personal freedom that many previous socialist systems tried to erase with swift authority.

Maybe it's a daydream, but judging my experience in the eastern-block, it's clear that we have to realize that it is not the way, and creating such a pure utopia as OP described will fail not even the quarter of the way and results in deaths and oppression.

IMO individual freedom is key. That is my closing thought I guess.
 

Chaos-Theory

Member
Dec 6, 2018
2,436
I'm a transhumanist that has probably spent too much time thinking about how the world could be improved, so my version of "Earth" would probably be weird and counterintuitive for many. That said, The Culture from Iain Banks' books would be a pretty close approximation.

In a post-scarcity society with unlimited resources, economic policy differences becomes essentially irrelevant (there is no "left" or "right" when everyone has everything they want). The most relevant issues that remain is to estabilish the boundaries between each individual's freedoms with regards to others, and conflict solving.
I agree 100%.

Reading The Culture novels changed me.
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
Free housing. The government will provide you with housing, UBI benefit and will assign you a job based on your skills, so you'll never need to search for a job again.

No more capitalism or money and no more materialistic objects. Everything will be government issued, including clothing and phones. Everyone will wear the same clothing, have the same shoes, the same phone, the same hair styles etc.

If you do well at your job and also do well within society, you'll be rewarded with points. These points can be exchanged for luxury items like a holiday or new television.

This is straight out hardcore dystopic. What the fuck?

I agree 100%.

Reading The Culture novels changed me.

I probably read them too late in my life (late 30s) and I've been a transhumanist for considerably longer, so rather than life-changing, it was more like a smile and nod "yes, this guy gets it". They're probably required reading for anyone in the business of designing an actual utopia; I particularly appreciate that the very first book is from the point of view of someone radically opposed to the Culture, with pretty solid arguments against some of its aspects (and yet it's not easy to think how they could be improved).

People imagining post-scarcity societies where money and economy still exist are kind of endearing, though.
 

NoKisum

Member
Nov 11, 2017
4,913
DMV Area, USA
Black people would no longer be hunted down and killed by law enforcement or supremacists group because of the color of their skin.

Who am I kidding? That's crazy talk. A world where hobbits and dragons roam our Earth is more likely to happen first.
 

FFNB

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Oct 25, 2017
6,118
Los Angeles, CA
In my ideal world, people wouldn't be selfish pricks who only care about themselves. That'd solve a lot of problems right off of the bat.

People would be able to live their lives in peace. No hatred, no greed, no bigotry and racism, sexism, misogyny, toxic masculinity. No pollution or global warming, no world hunger, no homelessness. Native American's aren't shoved off to a corner of the country to be forgotten about and ignored. No people dying because they don't have access to free health care.

My ideal world would just be a place where shit didn't suck for 99% of us.
 

Zorg1000

Banned
Jul 22, 2019
1,750
No. It's not money. It can't be put into a bank. It's just a point based system that is rewarded for hard work and good standing within the community. These points can only be exchanged for luxury goods only. They can not be given to another citizen either.
You are describing money where someone decides what people are allowed to buy.
 

Zorg1000

Banned
Jul 22, 2019
1,750
My civilization is free from all forms of bigotry. Nobody is judged by their appearance or shamed for their clothes. Everyone is equal. There is no war or violence. All resources that would be spent on defense would be used for science and medical research for the benefit of humanity.

There is no dictatorship. The people vote for regional leaders and vote for the president of the government, who would only be able to serve a four year term maximum.

This is far detached from fascism
What if people vote that they want to choose their own clothes, hairstyles, belongings?