Young woman harassed to the point of police intervention for asking Bernie Sanders a tough question about sexual harassment.

[Lonewulfeus]

She is an INTERN while in college. Claiming she isn't a "regular citizen" and a "party officials" is victim blaming and just plain wrong.

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Get that report button ready! She interns for a lobbying firm and cnn should have had that information there. The other 3 members of the audience (incidentally the ones I was referring to as operatives not the intern which really should have been obvious but gotta look for that reason to be outraged at an opinion you don't like) were in fact operatives with various local democratic offices.

The person being harassed is obvious not even remotely at fault for being harassed, CNN did her a great disservice by not being completely honest.

She's an intern while studying at a DC College, why are you acting like that makes her a fucking political operative.

And what do you mean Bad

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You aren't the only one who can write pithy nonsense replies while ignoring the substance of the post you are replying to.

 

[Novel]

This is exactly what is happening, but those that dislike Bernie are going to bring up the Bros and see what they want to see out of this story. TYT put out information on a lot of questioners but the only one getting harrassed to hell and back is coincidentally Arab or Muslim, a woman, and brought up a woman's rights issue. The question wasn't even tough and Wolf n Bernie answered it properly. The usual woman-hating culprits online are behind this harrassment, not Sanders supporters.

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But but but, we need a reason to hate the left! /s

 

[Lonewulfeus]

Correct. I was saying there were marginal criticisms that are bad along with the legit one, not that they were all bad.

They are regular citizens! The problem is that holding a town hall in DC is gonna self-select the audience to be politically active people because it's DC.

It's like complaining you have all college students if you hold a town hall at a college.

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No, it would be like having a town hall at a college and telling people they are garbage collectors or retail employees or some other representation that skews the way you would view what's going on.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Get that report button ready! She interns for a lobbying firm and cnn should have had that information there. The other 3 members of the audience (incidentally the ones I was referring to as operatives not the intern which really should have been obvious but gotta look for that reason to be outraged at an opinion you don't like) were in fact operatives with various local democratic offices.

The person being harassed is obvious not even remotely at fault for being harassed, CNN did her a great disservice by not being completely honest.



You aren't the only one who can write pithy nonsense replies while ignoring the substance of the post you are replying to.

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Spoilers they'd have harassed her as soon as they put up her intern position


And dude her intern position is meaningless, her current status is college student.

That you think even interning is something suspect is just ridiculous.


You don;t need to know about her internship jesus.

 

[Deleted member 8777]

Well she had to call the police so I'd say she's probably not.

Probably won't be as encouraged to engage in politics either in the future

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Bernie should pay her a visit if she would allow him a personal apology on behalf of his more rabid fans.

 

[Kangi]

I wish this woman well.

Can't say the same for those propagating harassment and defending it.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Bernie should pay her a visit if she would allow him a personal apology on behalf of his more rabid fans.

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Probably not a bad idea.

 

[NoName999]

I made a thread about the CNN thing but it got closed. They weren't all women. The guy who was "a community leader" was a county chair for the DNC. Why did it make any sense for them not to disclose that relevant bit of information?

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Well as you can plainly see now, for security purposes.

Or as you can plainly see, maybe they didn't want to talk about that.

Or any other reason to this irrelevant concern.

The questioners with the title shuffling were all randomly PoC/women though too, which kind of seems as if they were picked to ask him stuff because of the narrative or whatever of Bernie not being understanding to their groups. It just seems to me like it wasn't a random occurrence

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It's fucking DC of course it's gonna be primarily poc and women. Like... seriously? And even then, Sanders can't just fall back into the socialist comfort zone. He's gonna have to talk about other issues as well.

 

[excelsiorlef]

But but but, we need a reason to hate the left!

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You don't own the left.

 

[Kirblar]

I made a thread about the CNN thing but it got closed. They weren't all women. The guy who was "a community leader" was a county chair for the DNC. Why did it make any sense for them not to disclose that relevant bit of information?

The questioners with the title shuffling were all randomly PoC/women though too, which kind of seems as if they were picked to ask him stuff because of the narrative or whatever of Bernie not being understanding to their groups. It just seems to me like it wasn't a random occurrence

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A county party chair is not part of the "DNC". They represent their county branch of the Democratic Party and have almost nothing to do with national operations except for occasionally voting on representation to send to the state/national level.

CNN screwed up. It's also not inappropriate for that person to be asking a question when people's votes are up for grabs across the party in a wide open race.

No, it would be like having a town hall at a college and telling people they are garbage collectors or retail employees or some other representation that skews the way you would view what's going on.

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I interned at an IT firm in college over the summer. Referring to me as representing the IT industry because of that would be enormously wrong. An internship is not a full time career or job.

This is exactly what is happening, but those that dislike Bernie are going to bring up the Bros and see what they want to see out of this story. TYT put out information on a lot of questioners but the only one getting harrassed to hell and back is coincidentally Arab or Muslim, a woman, and brought up a woman's rights issue. The question wasn't even tough and Wolf n Bernie answered it properly. The usual woman-hating culprits online are behind this harrassment, not Sanders supporters.

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You can be both. Being the former does not preclude the latter.

 

[NoName999]

Like honestly, some of you guys are implying that she deserves to be harassed because of where she's interned at. Where ironically, she's probably harassed there too.

 

[TheModestGun]

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There were others that weren't disclosed that actually were what could be considered political operatives. TYT was commenting on the larger picture, not just her. But she was harassed, which is awful, but I'm not convinced that's what their goal was. However, the way they handled it was completely irresponsible.

I've never been much of a fan of them though and I've always gotten the impression that TYT has a sloppy operation.

 

[excelsiorlef]

There were others that weren't disclosed that actually were what could be considered political operatives. TYT was commenting on the larger picture, not just her. But she was harassed, which is awful, but I'm not convinced that's what there goal was. However, the way they handled it was completely irresponsible.

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Except the others don't count because this isn't about the others.

Arguing the CNN shit is essentially arguing she should have been exposed like the others

Which is bullshit

And in fact lumping her in, only served to make her more a target of hostility

Though I kinda have to say the reactions here overall you'd think the people asking questions were secret Republicans or something not you know people more or less on the same side.

 

[Ploid 6.0]

It's sad all over. The question wasn't even bad or that hard. He was asked it again today on the View. The news is that she was harassed, and no one knows why the scum of the internet were drawn to her, if it was just that she was on CNN with easy to find info, info that revealed she was probably sent there by a lobby firm as a menial intern task, her nationality, the fact that she's a woman, that TYT talked about it a day later after their live coverage, or a mixture of these things.

It's always stupid when people are harassed online after being in the limelight for whatever event, from Star Wars, to a news interview, yes even acting a fool trying to make people stop grilling in the public park, because you never know how far internet crazy people will go (Trump van mail bomb guy for example). I try to get my family and friends to make their social media stuff private to the maximum amount possible if they have to use them. I even hide my steam info from people on my friends list. The internet can be a magnet for the most cruel of people and it sucks.

 

[Lonewulfeus]

Spoilers they'd have harassed her as soon as they put up her intern position


And dude her intern position is meaningless, her current status is college student.

That you think even interning is something suspect is just ridiculous.


You don;t need to know about her internship jesus.

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I never said her interning was suspect at all. People will absolutely question the motivations of an intern working at a major DC lobbying firm getting access to a presidential candidate when that's exactly what lobbying is all about. The fact that CNN did not disclose that information only makes the suspicion worse. Could she have been there on her own as an engaged citizen, absolutely. Could she have been there representing the lobbying firm she works for, also possible.

No matter what, that doesn't give anyone the right to harass her and it's shitty that people feel the need to do that. Bernie Bros are the worst

 

[inner-G]

Well as you can plainly see now, for security purposes.

Or as you can plainly see, maybe they didn't want to talk about that.

Or any other reason to this irrelevant concern.

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At this point I guess I should just be glad that they didn't make Bernie's title read "Former Fan of Bread Lines". Apparently the staging of stuff is not that uncommon of an occurrence at these CNN Town Halls, going by the article someone else posted a bit back.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I never said her interning was suspect at all. People will absolutely question the motivations of an intern working at a major DC lobbying firm getting access to a presidential candidate when that's exactly what lobbying is all about. The fact that CNN did not disclose that information only makes the suspicion worse. Could she have been there on her own as an engaged citizen, absolutely. Could she have been there representing the lobbying firm she works for, also possible.

No matter what, that doesn't give anyone the right to harass her and it's shitty that people feel the need to do that. Bernie Bros are the worst

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She's not a political agent, her primary identity is college student, you, me , no one needed to know she's an intern somewhere.

CNN shouldn't have said it and no one should have dug it out either, it means nothing.

 

[marrec]

Like honestly, some of you guys are implying that she deserves to be harassed because of where she's interned at. Where ironically, she's probably harassed there too.

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It's no mistake that a young woman, an aspirational college democrat, asked THAT SPECIFIC question of an establishment candidate like Bernie Sanders.

It's not, as TYT implies, because the lobbying firm she interns for paid her to ask that question.

The AUDACITY to even make that claim....

And then to try and wash their hands of harassment, as if they didn't spend 20 minutes laying the groundwork for the barely lucid more conspiratorial parts of their fanbase. God I hate Cenk Uygur.

 

[excelsiorlef]

At this point I guess I should just be glad that they didn't make Bernie's title read "Former Fan of Bread Lines". Apparently the staging of stuff is not that uncommon of an occurrence at these CNN Town Halls, going by the article someone else posted a bit back.

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Are you done yet?

Your attitude and outlook is exactly why she got harassed btw

 

[TheModestGun]

Except the others don't count because this isn't about the others.

Arguing the CNN shit is essentially arguing she should have been exposed like the others

Which is bullshit

And in fact lumping her in, only served to make her more a target of hostility

Though I kinda have to say the reactions here overall you'd think the people asking questions were secret Republicans or something not you know people more or less on the same side.

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Again, I have no ire for the people asking the questions. And I think it's outright terrible that ANY of them would be harassed. For what it's worth I thought they were all good questions and gave Bernie the opportunity to mostly clear the air.

It can both be true that these people did nothing wrong in asking their questions and should not be harassed and that CNN should have been more transparent about the affiliations of town hall questioners.

My only problem with some of the language used in here is the treatment like it has to be ONLY true that harassment is bad. How CNN represented them, is not the fault of the people at the town hall. That's on CNN.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

I made a thread about the CNN thing but it got closed. They weren't all women. The guy who was "a community leader" was a county chair for the DNC. Why did it make any sense for them not to disclose that relevant bit of information?

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Does the DNC have county chairs? Can you provide a cite?

 

[Lonewulfeus]

She's not a political agent, her primary identity is college student, you, me , no one needed to know she's an intern somewhere.

CNN shouldn't have said it and no one should have dug it out either, it means nothing.

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Well have to agree to disagree on that point. Lobbying is a major part of politics to the great dismay of us normal people. Any connection to politics beyond the average citizen should be disclosed.

 

[NoName999]

At this point I guess I should just be glad that they didn't make Bernie's title read "Former Fan of Bread Lines". Apparently the staging of stuff is not that uncommon of an occurrence at these CNN Town Halls, going by the article someone else posted a bit back.

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Are you shitting me, right now?

 

[excelsiorlef]

Again, I have no ire for the people asking the questions. And I think it's outright terrible that ANY of them would be harassed. For what it's worth I thought they were all good questions and gave Bernie the opportunity to mostly clear the air.

It can both be true that these people did nothing wrong in asking their questions and should not be harassed and that CNN should have been more transparent about the affiliations of town hall questioners.

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Talking about CNN here is completely a non sequitur because they correctly identified the woman who is the subject of this thread.

 

[Lonewulfeus]

Again, I have no ire for the people asking the questions. And I think it's outright terrible that ANY of them would be harassed. For what it's worth I thought they were all good questions and gave Bernie the opportunity to mostly clear the air.

It can both be true that these people did nothing wrong in asking their questions and should not be harassed and that CNN should have been more transparent about the affiliations of town hall questioners.

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This, 100%. If the info is disclosed there is no controversy.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Well have to agree to disagree on that point. Lobbying is a major part of politics to the great dismay of us normal people. Any connection to politics beyond the average citizen should be disclosed.

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Dude for all you know she delivers their mail and fetches their coffee, she's a fucking intern.

 

[marrec]

Well have to agree to disagree on that point. Lobbying is a major part of politics to the great dismay of us normal people. Any connection to politics beyond the average citizen should be disclosed.

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Interns at lobbying organizations are normal people.

 

[Tomohawk]

Because "CNN is bad and this is a pattern of bad behavior we've seen from them before" is an opinion that's not controversial or disputed. The problems are coming with behavior online towards the people who didn't pick the CNN chyrons and also with some of the examples being criticized not actually being a problem and instead being an example of conspiratorial thinking. A college student who did 1 internship at a lobbying firm is still a college student and labelling them as such is completely appropriate.

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I agree but i believe CNN still holds some blame for that. Its made worse by the other chyrons not painting an accurate picture, so now shes grouped in with everyone else. Still I have no doubt if they were accurate with the other chyrons she would still be harassed, however the some folks wouldn't be as conspiratorial about it. TYT admits this when they say if that was the only example this would not be a story, after making it clear that all these questions were good and that they are not plotting against Sanders.

After watching the full video on the townhall I don't see any pictures from facebook etc. am I missing something?

 

[inner-G]

It's sad all over. The question wasn't even bad or that hard. He was asked it again today on the View. The news is that she was harassed, and no one knows why the scum of the internet were drawn to her, if it was just that she was on CNN with easy to find info, info that revealed she was probably sent there by a lobby firm as a menial intern task, her nationality, the fact that she's a woman, that TYT talked about it a day later after their live coverage, or a mixture of these things.

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Agreed. The blame should be on the network, her firm if they sent her there, and the knowing adults who didn't disclose relevant information if that's the case. Whether she was sent there as a pawn or just genuinely wanted to ask, she shouldn't be subject to harassment.

Does the DNC have county chairs? Can you provide a cite?

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*democratic party

Sorry. They're not very different to me. I'm sure they operate in total silos and don't communicate though 🙄

 

[Deleted member 5666]

Well have to agree to disagree on that point. Lobbying is a major part of politics to the great dismay of us normal people. Any connection to politics beyond the average citizen should be disclosed.

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She is not a lobbyist. She is a college student. Claiming she isn't "normal people" is just...insane.

 

[marrec]

Agreed. The blame should be on the network, her firm if they sent her there, and the knowing adults who didn't disclose relevant information if that's the case. Whether she was sent there as a pawn or just genuinely wanted to ask, she shouldn't be subject to harassment.

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Dude what the fuck

 

[Lonewulfeus]

Dude for all you know she delivers their mail and fetches their coffee, she's a fucking intern.

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She could be, I don't know. It still should have been disclosed. Do you also feel that the actual operatives shouldn't have been disclosed?

 

[Novel]

You don't own the left.

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And you don't have any right to paint people who like Bernie with the same broad brush. Or come up with a reason to blame them even if they may not be at fault. That's all my post was responding to. But okay then.

For the record, I don't support the actions done. Just have to sideeye what I can already see on the wall.

 

[NoName999]

Agreed. The blame should be on the network, her firm if they sent her there, and the knowing adults who didn't disclose relevant information if that's the case. Whether she was sent there as a pawn or just genuinely wanted to ask, she shouldn't be subject to harassment.

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Will you fucking stop?

Fucking hell, fuck this rape culture in Era for fuck's sake.

 

[marrec]

Will you fucking stop?

Fucking hell, fuck this rape culture in Era for fuck's sake.

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This is EXACTLY what the TYT video was meant to do. Make it so that suddenly the woman in question is now a political operative rather than a concerned citizen with a good question.

 

[Deleted member 5666]

Agreed. The blame should be on the network, her firm if they sent her there, and the knowing adults who didn't disclose relevant information if that's the case. Whether she was sent there as a pawn or just genuinely wanted to ask, she shouldn't be subject to harassment.

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She is a fucking college student. She isn't a pawn, she wasn't sent there. She isn't a lobbyist.

Stop this victim blaming conspiracy theory bullshit.

The fact you even throw out the possibility that she was a "pawn" or sent there...is beyond the pale.

 

[TheModestGun]

Talking about CNN here is completely a non sequitur because they correctly identified the woman who is the subject of this thread.

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Man you just do not want to give an inch here. How is it a non sequitur when it's literally the inciting incident that started all of this?

 

[marrec]

Evil Lobbyist: Hey guys, we cannot let Bernie Sanders get elected what should we do?

Evil Lobbyist 2: Obviously we should send one of our interns to ask a genuinely good question at a town hall, that'll be a good use of our resources and influence.

 

[excelsiorlef]

She could be, I don't know. It still should have been disclosed. Do you also feel that the actual operatives shouldn't have been disclosed?

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Honestly I don;t know, but I do know an internship is none of my business

 

[excelsiorlef]

Man you just do not want to give an inch here. How is it a non sequitur when it's literally the inciting incident that started all of this?

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Because she wasn't mislabeled

She's a college student who happens to intern somewhere

The second part is irrelevant.

So bringing up how CNN misrepresented others means fuck nothing because she wasn't misrepresented but TYT and folks are acting liek she was because they care that much about her internship... which is horseshit


So dragging up CNN's actions on others is basically just noise.

 

[Stinkles]

Rational?? Really? You are providing personal anicdotes about morons and trying to act like it is core to the biggest lefist movement in US electoral politics maybe ever. The internet has broken everyone's brain. It's telling that your list of reasons for Hilary losing include everything but the fault of Hilary. Blaming everybody else is really easy.

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This sounds super familiar. And completely misses the point of note only my post - Hillary lost for a lot of reasons including Hillary - but was beaten by razor thin margins. You seem to ignore that fact and go back to the 2016 drumbeat, despite having the evidence and clear, definitive statements from our own intelligence services, let alone the deluge of accurate reporting AND BERNIE'S OWN ADMISSIONS.

Bernie didn't cost Hillary the election, but he WAS one of a thousand cuts - that is a measurable fact -and here we go again, with razors out, before the primary list is even created. I'm asking Bernie for small reasonable changes. And you're creating a strawman to argue against.

 

[marrec]

Also, how are the other people "political operatives"?

It's not like they fuckin' work for Debbie Wasserman Shutz, one was a county chair for fucks sake, not exactly some well connected DCCC mafioso lmao

This is a fucking stupid discussion. How is it MORE logical that politically interested people at a DC town hall are plants rather than politically interest people at a DC town hall are POLITICALLY INTERESTED

jesus

 

[adamsappel]

Remember this thing called gamer-gate? Started from a woman having a boyfriend journalist that gave her a good review? Like, that's certainly a conflict of interest, but it turned into the worst type of harassment.

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That's not how GamerGate started, and falls into the "It's really about ethics in games journalism" canard. You should read more about it.

... Come on I agree that she shouldn't be harassed, but your literally arguing right now that every story disclosing relevant background on an individual is doxxxing. Why were none of yall raising a fuss when CNN pulled the same stunt with republicans and there jobs were being exposed.

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I do not care about people affiliated with any political organizations asking pointed questions of a candidate, as long as that question is relevant and truthful. Insert worstpersonyouknowmadeagoodpoint.jpg here. Certainly Bernie Sanders did have a sexual harassment problem with his 2016 campaign and he should answer questions about it. What was different with the other CNN "stunt" was they had people on to praise a candidate without divulging that they were politically affiliated with the same candidate. That is far more unethical.

 

[marrec]

Also, the ONLY reason this is even a "controversy" is because it's Bernie.

If some "political operative" had "ambushed" Kamala Harris with a good question about her Prosecutorial background people on the left would be cheering them on.

Ooooo I'm getting heated

 

[Deleted member 19003]

Agreed. The blame should be on the network, her firm if they sent her there, and the knowing adults who didn't disclose relevant information if that's the case. Whether she was sent there as a pawn or just genuinely wanted to ask, she shouldn't be subject to harassment.


*democratic party

Sorry. They're not very different to me. I'm sure they operate in total silos and don't communicate though 🙄

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See. This is what I'm talking about. Flaming political conspiracy shit like this over a college woman being harassed is toxic. Please stop. She's on "our side" -- she's a democrat asking a relevant question. Giving any weight to the conspiracy that she might have been some sort of political poison pawn sent by the lobby group to get at Bernie, and therefore deserved to be "uncovered" is sick and divisive stuff that helped divide 2016. It's unwarranted paranoia that deserves no coverage.

 

[Deleted member 5666]

The fact some here are pushing the angle maybe she or others were a pawn by "the swamp" or the DNC makes me wonder why they think a question about sexual harrasment is potentially worthy of a nefarious conspiracy 🤔

 

[Lonewulfeus]

Also, how are the other people "political operatives"?

It's not like they fuckin' work for Debbie Wasserman Shutz, one was a county chair for fucks sake, not exactly some well connected DCCC mafioso lmao

This is a fucking stupid discussion. How is it MORE logical that politically interested people at a DC town hall are plants rather than politically interest people at a DC town hall are POLITICALLY INTERESTED

jesus

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This very forum decried CNN doing the same thing during the Kavanaugh hearings last year when it was similar GOP operatives, but it's suddenly fine now? Come on son.

 

[marrec]

This very forum decried CNN doing the same thing during the Kavanaugh hearings last year when it was similar GOP operatives, but it's suddenly fine now? Come on son.

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I ain't know shit about that I'm talking about this right here and right now stop trying to deflect.

 

[Deleted member 5666]

This very forum decried CNN doing the same thing during the Kavanaugh hearings last year when it was similar GOP operatives, but it's suddenly fine now? Come on son.

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I would love the receipts that anyone here doxxed anyone and spread their personal facebooks on wide platforms resulting in harrasment to the point of police intervention like TYT did.

Also this is whataboutism deflection. And fuck deflection. This innocent woman was harrased and had to go to the police.

 

[Deleted member 8777]

Also, the ONLY reason this is even a "controversy" is because it's Bernie.

If some "political operative" had "ambushed" Kamala Harris with a good question about her Prosecutorial background people on the left would be cheering them on.

Ooooo I'm getting heated

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Well yeah. Like it or not bernie fans feel shafted because of the way the media treated him and the contents of the leaked DNC emails. Nothing will change that. Past misbehaviour warrants future caution.