I don't doubt that Sony will show some great stuff, but don't assume based on things that shinobi has hinted out with Xbox first party that these tweets are focused on a single platform only.
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I don't doubt that Sony will show some great stuff, but don't assume based on things that shinobi has hinted out with Xbox first party that these tweets are focused on a single platform only.
The leap is going to be similar to the difference between playing Control on a PS4 to playing Control with all ray tracing effects maxed out on a high end PC.
Sure, the game look MUCH better. But we have seen next gen graphics already - there are plenty of PC games that push the hardware to crazy levels now. And don't be mistaken, Control looks NUTS on high end hardware. I adore that game, and having that kind of graphic prowess on a $400 box is nuts.
Sure, the game look MUCH better. But we have seen next gen graphics already - there are plenty of PC games that push the hardware to crazy levels now. And don't be mistaken, Control looks NUTS on high end hardware. I adore that game, and having that kind of graphic prowess on a $400 box is nuts.
This. That in-game rendered trailer of Hellblade 2 looks absolutely stunning and a leap above anything this generation.
Wrap that in a 60 fps bow, and we are talking some gorgeous shit.
That's cool but can we be shown why next gen is a game changer instead of hyping up current gen graphics?
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Even a small snippet from a next gen first party exclusive for either platform would be good enough to keep us happy for the time being.
Not with the constraints of current gen, which we still get games for, for a year or two.
Compared to what was shown on inside Xbox. AAA games in general will push boundaries more than what was seen on inside Xbox. Yes Valhalla was there but Ubi botched that one. Are you saying that you don't find the HB 2 trailer impressive or that you think it'll be paired down?
So we're in a interesting spot right now. Xbox has powerful hardware but their early plans for taking advantage of said hardware was always going to leave people feeling a little cold. Even then, I'm not expecting too dramatic a difference from PS5's launch lineup as I expect this transition to be fairly similar to the transition from 360/PS3 to X1/PS4 which is to say not a very dramatic one.
I'm fully expect lighting and frame rates to be the stuff to watch for (I suspect many games will let you choose between ray tracing mode and a performance mode). It wasn't until 2015 (and to some extent holiday 2014) that the current crop of consoles really showed off what they can do and I suspect things will be similar this time around. Also the more like X1/PS4 games early XBSX/PS5 games are the better they'll be able to show off those special SSD loading times so there's that at least.
A side note: I will say, as someone who as been buying every console at or within the first 6 months of launch since the 360 gen, I was surprised that the recent Inside Xbox stream had me rethinking the idea of buying the Series X (at least within the first couple years). I feel like MS has largely been on point as it relates to next gen but with everything they make for Series X running on (maybe xCloud?) PC and (for at least the first couple years) Xbox One buying a PS5 and a Series X at launch feels like a mistake as the only real reason I would have to buy one is I already got rid of my Xbox One so getting a Series X would allow me to play original Xbox & 360 games again. Getting a Series X makes even less sense for me since I own a decent-ish gaming PC that I could upgrade pretty significantly. Maybe a Lockhart would make sense for me early on (whenever that launches)?
I'm fully expect lighting and frame rates to be the stuff to watch for (I suspect many games will let you choose between ray tracing mode and a performance mode). It wasn't until 2015 (and to some extent holiday 2014) that the current crop of consoles really showed off what they can do and I suspect things will be similar this time around. Also the more like X1/PS4 games early XBSX/PS5 games are the better they'll be able to show off those special SSD loading times so there's that at least.
A side note: I will say, as someone who as been buying every console at or within the first 6 months of launch since the 360 gen, I was surprised that the recent Inside Xbox stream had me rethinking the idea of buying the Series X (at least within the first couple years). I feel like MS has largely been on point as it relates to next gen but with everything they make for Series X running on (maybe xCloud?) PC and (for at least the first couple years) Xbox One buying a PS5 and a Series X at launch feels like a mistake as the only real reason I would have to buy one is I already got rid of my Xbox One so getting a Series X would allow me to play original Xbox & 360 games again. Getting a Series X makes even less sense for me since I own a decent-ish gaming PC that I could upgrade pretty significantly. Maybe a Lockhart would make sense for me early on (whenever that launches)?
I think that's true, at the same time, Control was designed first and foremost for much lower level hardware and most of the features people go on about were tacked on at the end. And it still doesn't have HDR.
It looks like I imagine a lot of high quality cross-gen games will look on XSX and PS5.
Start the sequels development where the minimum specs of the graphics is a 2070/2080, where you design around ray tracing and HDR from the get go, and I think you get an even more jaw dropping visual experience.
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I mean from MS there's HB2 and flight Sim. For Sony we will see next month. For AAA 3rd party it's on the way. We've only seen the first showing of the summer of games stuff. Additionally we are still dealing with a world-wide pandemic. It's coming
Maybe but I think the best looking game will be next-generation consoles exclusives and for games releasing in 2020 and 2021 I suppose Sony will be out of maybe some third party studio the only one to do next-generation exclusive game.
You can do good looking cross-gen game but this is not the same as true next-generation exclusive. This is not linked to XSX or first-party studio talent but the first party policy for at least the first year of the XSX.
After I have no doubt Microsoft will show 2022/2023 games in two months.
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The biggest studio of the world Rockstar doing new version of GTA 5 was not able to hide this is a PS3/360 games because of the assets. You need to redo a game for this to be the case.
better frame rates (maybe not 60 but at least stable) and faster load times all Im really expecting at this point.
According to its editor-in-chief, the new Edge (out in less than 2 weeks) will dive into that.
A better example might be some of the graphical showcases late into the PS3\360 era, like Crysis 3. The game looked really pretty for its day on consoles, and looked positively crazy on PC. Once the PS4 came, Killzone looked amazing, but it did not look better than maxes out Crysis 3 on a high end PC couple of years prior.
Crysis 3, in fact, still looks good to this day in many aspects. Sure, more modern shooters have more or better effects in some cases, but it has aged extremely well. From the PS3 onwards the improvement on consoles have been similar to the glorious advance on PCs - games look MUCH better from one gen to the next, but the path of advance is clearly delineated.
AAA next gen in general. First games to show technical prowess of new hardware will be those that have the most resources.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news.....but, good luck with that.
Agreed.
I think the thing with Crysis in general though is that it was always aimed at higher end hardware. Often to the point of actually being out in front of it.
Im not sure there any recent games besides things like Star Citizen developing like that?
So I see Control more like I did Black Flag than Crysis. A game not yet developed from the ground up for next gen hardware but giving you a good peak at what is over the horizon.
Keighley is a hype man, and extremely invested in maintaining his connections to the industry. I have no doubt there'll be better 1st party stuff shown off soon, but lets not act like there's any scenario in which he complains about next-gen games being a bit lackluster looking.
Looking forward to going back to all these "diminishing returns" hot takes, too.
True, but cross-gen games will have to do more than to simply bump the resolution and frame-rate. Hopefully AAA devs will get the oppurtunity to fine tune per platform strengths going into next gen.
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It depends I guess on what the target is.
4K/60.... well there is a price to pay for that.
But overall I think we will see almost every game doing stuff that is not possible this gen, once the cross gen games fade away in 2021.
4K/60.... well there is a price to pay for that.
But overall I think we will see almost every game doing stuff that is not possible this gen, once the cross gen games fade away in 2021.
Yeah I'd have to disagree with all of that :) None of your post has anything to do with what I wrote though either......
Diminishing returns doesn't mean that there aren't improvements. It means that the rate of improvement is less drastic, slower, and more expensive. It means that you could make a AAA game 30 years ago with a couple dozen people in a year or so and now a AAA game involves hundreds of people over years. It means that in a little over a decade (11 years, 1 month), we went from original Doom graphics to Resident Evil 4, but in the 15 year since then, we're nowhere near seeing that kind of jump from RE4. It means that in the past, even non-gamers could easily see how a next gen game had better graphics than the previous gen, but now even hardcore gamers might have to jump back and forth between comparison shots to release which one is supposed to be better.
I had to eat crow last generation when I tried to make this point.
If that Hellblade 2 trailer is any indication there is going to be a massive leap in quality.
I think the issue is our early exposure to next gen has been through a lot of smaller developers who don't have the budget or capabilities to produce those mind blowing visuals.
If that Hellblade 2 trailer is any indication there is going to be a massive leap in quality.
I think the issue is our early exposure to next gen has been through a lot of smaller developers who don't have the budget or capabilities to produce those mind blowing visuals.
What we've mostly seen so far is cross gen and small team next gen games.
Hellblade II is the level of visuals we'll get from most of the big AAA studios.
They publish things far more embarrassing than this every other week.
hmm, I remember Killzone, drive club etc. to blow people away. It was def a big jump from 360/ps3
Yeah I don't know what that person is talking about either.
Current PC, with games like Metro Exodus, Control, and RDR2 is basically where I expect some of the best first year cross gen titles to be at. Current consoles aren't close. And how ray tracing is not a major leap continues to evade me. It really just has to be people never actually playing with it on to say that.
Metro and Control take a significant jump in visuals beyond any other one setting I can think of. It really is like flipping on a new game.
To think we are about to have a generation where ray tracing is the baseline for AAA games is pretty insane.
Why would our expectations be that high for launch when we haven't really seen a wow factor game out the gate? It's mostly cross platform stuff with the expectation of current mid-high range pc level of details. It was the same story last gen.
Personally speaking, I'm looking for an experience I can't get anywhere else, especially on my current gaming PC before I consider upgrading my PS4 pro or Xbox one X. I'm still hoping for a demon souls remake in launch window.
Personally speaking, I'm looking for an experience I can't get anywhere else, especially on my current gaming PC before I consider upgrading my PS4 pro or Xbox one X. I'm still hoping for a demon souls remake in launch window.
Sure but cross gen games are not an indication of next gens ceiling. We won't truly be able to gauge their upper limits for a few years.
QoL improvements were more important to me than better graphics with the jump from last gen to current gen.
Headphone jack in the controllers and resume play being the standouts.
Add little to no load times (less down time, more game time) and a change with the way PlayStation handles game updates (hopefully no more deleting a 30gb game or whatever for a 5gb update next gen), and I'll be happy with minimal graphical improvements. I know I'm in the minority though.
Just give me locked or higher frame rates as well ;)
Headphone jack in the controllers and resume play being the standouts.
Add little to no load times (less down time, more game time) and a change with the way PlayStation handles game updates (hopefully no more deleting a 30gb game or whatever for a 5gb update next gen), and I'll be happy with minimal graphical improvements. I know I'm in the minority though.
Just give me locked or higher frame rates as well ;)
Maybe this will be the gen where they show a game and it actually looks like that when it comes out instead of getting down graded....
Yeah who am I kidding...
Yeah who am I kidding...
Having gone through 3 new gens - PS2, PS3 and PS4 - it is abundantly clear that the really good looking games come after a few years. Looking forward to seeing the 3rd year of the next-gen, assuming we all survive that is.
Wasn't Hellblade done with a lot of motion capture work (including facial capture)? Obviously there's much more to it than that, but I don't imagine that's feasible for every game/AAA budget (I don't know much about HB2 but the first also tended towards smaller environments while most AAA nowadays have bigger ones).
The game will likely look incredible I'm just not sure if that quality is reasonable for every AAA open world game coming.
The game will likely look incredible I'm just not sure if that quality is reasonable for every AAA open world game coming.
I remember that Hellblade 2 trailer was in engine and not gameplay :/
you talking about the cinematic trailer, it look impressive, but thisis not how it will play, i'm 100% sure of it.
We will be fixed when we will see true next-generation game gameplay running on console devkits. I hope early-mid June.
Same with the gen before that, wasn't 360 mockingly called Xbox 1.5 because HDTV adoption rates were low and most games were cross-gen?
