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Vex

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Oct 25, 2017
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1. Red
2. Read
3. Read

Two of them are pronounced the exact same way even though they mean something completely different (#1 Red, #3 Read). Then, you have two words that are spelled (spelt?) The same damn way but are pronounced differently (#2, #3).

Then you have Bark and Bark. Both pronounced the same, but one is a sound.

Foil and foil. "To foil his plans" vs " I need some foil". Not even remotely the same meaning, but the same sound.

So different, but still same... But very different. But same-same. Still different.

Isn't English weird, ERA?

Edit: And yes, I realize I completely fucked up the title of this thread only after my post JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THIS IS EMBARRASSING
 
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SFLUFAN

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"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

― James D. Nicoll
 
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Why do we drive on a parkway and park in a driveway?

If two of a goose is geese, why isn't two of a moose meese?

Yes, OP, it's wack.
 

BasilZero

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I'm sure every language has something like that.

Just the other day I was watching Detective Conan (Subbed with Japanese audio) and one of the things that were mentioned was a character mentioned one word but they actually meant something else (the same word had two meanings) so all of the characters were a bit confused until they explained.
 

sphagnum

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That's what happens when you mash up Germanic and Romance languages with a dash of just about everything else thrown in as loanwords.
 

Bishop89

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"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

― James D. Nicoll

That's an amazing summary of the English language. Gonna have to remember that one.
 

Lump

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Oct 25, 2017
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Bass the fish and bass the audio speaker is the worst one.
 

Metalmucil

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Yeah, it's.... something all right. Explaining stuff like that students is pretty ridiculous.
 

matrix-cat

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Oct 27, 2017
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As a native English speaker, trying to learn other languages has been extremely eye-opening as to what a rickety, barely-held-together mess English is. Endless respect to people whose native tongues make much more sense than ours do putting in the hard work to learn our bullshit nonsense speak :P
 
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Yup, although as someone who had to learn English as a second language, I am thankful it's grammar is so simple. I'm learing French right now and shit is fucking complex.
 

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I think the issue is spelling. If two words have the same sound, they should be spelled the same way. English also should be much more phonetic in general, but I think with the internet that ship has sailed.
 

BLEEN

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Those would be homophones and homonyms.

I love English. I take pride in my grasp of it and learn new shit every day.

Thread followed to laugh later!
 

chaostrophy

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The Chaos
Dearest creature in Creation,
Studying English pronunciation,
⁠I will teach you in my verse
⁠Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.
It will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
⁠Tear in eye your dress you'll tear.
⁠So shall I! Oh, hear my prayer,
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it?
⁠Just compare heart, beard and heard,
⁠Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain,
(Mind the latter, how it's written!)
⁠Made has not the sound of bade,
⁠Say—said, pay—paid, laid, but plaid.
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,
⁠But be careful how you speak,
⁠Say break, steak, but bleak and streak,
Previous, precious; fuchsia, via;
Pipe, snipe, recipe and choir,
⁠Cloven, oven; how and low;
⁠Script, receipt; shoe, poem, toe,
Hear me say, devoid of trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
⁠Typhoid; measles, topsails, aisles;
⁠Exiles, similes, reviles;
Wholly, holly; signal, signing;
Thames; examining, combining;
⁠Scholar, vicar and cigar,
⁠Solar, mica, war and far.
From "desire": desirable—admirable from "admire";
Lumber, plumber; bier but brier;
⁠Chatham, brougham; renown but known,
⁠Knowledge; done, but gone and tone,
One, anemone; Balmoral;
Kitchen, lichen; laundry, laurel;
⁠Gertrude, German; wind and mind;
⁠Scene, Melpomene, mankind;
Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, Reading, heathen, heather.
⁠This phonetic labyrinth
⁠Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.
Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet;
⁠Blood and flood are not like food,
⁠Nor is mould like should and would.
Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which is said to rime with "darky".
⁠Viscous, viscount; load and broad;
⁠Toward, to forward, to reward,
And your pronunciation's O.K.
When you say correctly croquet;
⁠Rounded, wounded; grieve and sieve;
⁠Friend and fiend; alive and live;
Liberty, library; heave and heaven;
Rachel, ache, moustache; eleven.
⁠We say hallowed, but allowed;
⁠People, leopard; towed, but vowed
Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover,
⁠Leeches, breeches; wise, precise;
⁠Chalice but police and lice.
Camel; constable, unstable;
Principle, disciple; label;
⁠Petal, penal and canal;
⁠Wait, surmise, plait, promise; pal.
Suit, suite, run, circuit, conduit
Rime with "shirk it" and "beyond it",
⁠But it is not hard to tell,
⁠Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.
Muscle, muscular; gaol; iron;
Timber, climber; bullion, lion,
⁠Worm and storm; chaise, chaos, chair;
⁠Senator, spectator, mayor.
Ivy, privy; famous, clamour
And enamour rime with "hammer."
⁠Pussy, hussy and possess.
⁠Desert, but dessert, address.
Golf, wolf; countenance; lieutenants
Hoist, in lieu of flags, left pennants.
⁠River, rival; tomb, bomb, comb;
⁠Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rime with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
⁠Soul, but foul and gaunt, but aunt;
⁠Font, front, wont; want, grand, and, grant,
Shoes, goes, does.[1]) Now first say: finger,
And then: singer, ginger, linger.
⁠Real, zeal; mauve, gauze and gauge;
⁠Marriage, foliage, mirage, age.
Query does not rime with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
⁠Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth;
⁠Job, Job, blossom, bosom, oath.
Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual,
⁠Seat, sweat, chaste, caste; Leigh, eight, height;
⁠Put, nut; granite, but unite.
Reefer does not rime with "deafer,"
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
⁠Dull, bull; Geoffrey, George; ate, late;
⁠Hint, pint; senate, but sedate;
Scenic, Arabic, pacific;
Science, conscience, scientific;
⁠Tour, but our, and succour, four;
⁠Gas, alas and Arkansas!
Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm; Maria, but malaria;
⁠Youth, south, southern; cleanse and clean;
⁠Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion,
⁠Sally with ally; yea, ye,
⁠Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay!
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.
⁠Never guess—it is not safe;
⁠We say calves, valves, half, but Ralf!
Heron; granary, canary;
Crevice, and device, and eyrie;
⁠Face but preface, but efface,
⁠Phlegm, phlegmatic; ass, glass, bass;
Large, but target, gin, give, verging;
Ought, out, joust and scour, but scourging;
⁠Ear, but earn; and wear and tear
⁠Do not rime with "here", but "ere".
Seven is right, but so is even;
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen;
⁠Monkey, donkey; clerk and jerk;
⁠Asp, grasp, wasp; and cork and work.
Pronunciation—think of psyche!—
Is a paling, stout and spikey;
⁠Won't it make you lose your wits,
⁠Writing "groats" and saying groats?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel,
Strewn with stones, like rowlock, gunwale,
⁠Islington and Isle of Wight,
⁠Housewife, verdict and indict!
Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?
⁠Finally: which rimes with "enough,"
⁠Though, through, plough, cough, hough, or tough?
Hiccough has the sound of "cup"......
My advice is—give it up!

-Gerard Nolst Trenité
 

Cantaim

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The Stussining
Read and lead rhyme, and read and lead rhyme. But read and lead don't rhyme and neither do read and lead

*I apologize in advance if anyone is learning English and reading this post
 

Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
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I hope you can wrap your mind around the word bimonthly.





Look at all that motherfucking meese!
 

yellowfury

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Oct 27, 2017
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I would think that English is the most confusing language but try growing up in a house that speaks multiple Chinese dialects alongside English. Tones have never made sense to me even though I play musical instruments and sing.

also my wife told me part of her French class was being able to distinguish the difference between poisson and poison (fish or poison) and she said it was incredibly difficult.
 
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"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

― James D. Nicoll

Damn, beat me to it.
 

Hecht

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It certainly is. But it doesn't have four-twenty-ten so I'll call it a wash
 
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As a Finnish person, I've studied Russian, Swedish, French and English.

From these Russian is easily the hardest one to learn (different language tree too obviously), but out of Swedish, French and English, English is easily the most complex one mechanically. It still was the easiest to learn though because you hear and see it so much starting from young age.
 

turbobrick

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As a Finnish person, I've studied Russian, Swedish, French and English.

From these Russian is easily the hardest one to learn (different language tree too obviously), but out of Swedish, French and English, English is easily the most complex one mechanically. It still was the easiest to learn though because you hear and see it so much starting from young age.

While it is complex, I feel it has an advantage in that you can be really sloppy with it and still get your point across. Maybe it just varies by personal experience, but I think of all the times in my life where someone speaks really broken English to me and I have no problem understanding what they mean, even though the grammar is all wrong, which happens often as so many people learn English as a second language. But its also possible everyone thinks that about their native language.
 

Adrifi

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Nah, English is very easy to learn. I speak Basque and Spanish and those two are harder and Spanish can have a very significant amount of stupid things too, like the doble negación.
 

L Thammy

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"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

― James D. Nicoll
That's a big part of why English is how it is, but another big part - and this happens with tons of languages - is that we were still using the language when the rules changed, so the rules didn't change all the way.

English has a few hundred irregular verbs. But the thing is, that irregularity was at point an early conjugation pattern. We stopped using those patterns for new words, but we didn't switch all of the old words to the new pattern, and they continued to morph to the point that learning the original patterns probably wouldn't help you anymore.
 

L Thammy

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It certainly is. But it doesn't have four-twenty-ten so I'll call it a wash
In a discussion about how the fun part of learning any language is discovering what kind of stupid garbage it has, I tried to look up what stupid things French has and the only thing people came up with was quatre-vingts. Like, top ten lists of what the worst thing is with French and it's all quatre-vingts.

Based on that, it's my conclusion that French is boring. Wake me up when you're naming all of your animals (attribute)pig or jamming full sentences into one word.
 

Tomasoares

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It still easier than Portuguese, French and German (at least for me - Portuguese speaker).
But pronunciation in english is its hardest part indeed. And I have no idea in how to use all these fucking prepositions (in, on, at, etc)