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You haven’t played the best PlayStation exclusive of 2020 - Polygon (it's 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim)

BarryFishFinger

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I mean it sounds really interesting but then I see stuff like this:

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And it's an instant nope. I just deeply dislike this kind of style and you can tie yourself in convoluted knots narratively justifying why it is like it is, but honestly I find this sort of pseudo juvenile sexualisation creepy.
 
Rapscallion

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Oct 25, 2017
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My order from bestbuy for the game has been back ordered. Not sure what's going on, but don't want to lose the $25 price I got it for.
 
Bing147

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nss said:
I find that hard to believe given I've played Nioh 2, Ghost of Tsushima, FF7R, Last of Us 2, Miles Morales and Demons Souls this year and loved all of them.
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I mean, I've played all but one of those games, liked or loved every one of them, and I still agree with it.
 
Jakenbakin

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DLH said:
Clearly I'm part of this nefarious conspiracy to prevent Vanillaware from making money.
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Have you been disingenuously telling people that there's excessive sexualization and fanservice in the game? If so, that's weird since you haven't played it. If no, then I'm not talking about you and it's weird to place yourself into that position but go ahead I guess. There's been plenty of people pretending the game is laden with perverse sexualization, that's disingenuous of anyone who played it to say so. It isn't a conspiracy to say someone who pretends Persona 5 approaches the subject of sexualization with nuance but this is gross - it's just factually stupid.
 
ArkhamFantasy

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BarryFishFinger said:
I mean it sounds really interesting but then I see stuff like this:

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And it's an instant nope. I just deeply dislike this kind of style and you can tie yourself in convoluted knots narratively justifying why it is like it is, but honestly I find this sort of pseudo juvenile sexualisation creepy.
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I had the exact same thought, but it's not that type of game. I don't know why they're marketing the game like that.
 
Chopchop

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm really early in so far (just unlocked the encyclopedia/combat/VN selector thing) but I'm enjoying myself.
 
Kenai

Kenai

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Oct 26, 2017
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I like it so far. Nabbed it for $30 during one of the sales around Thanksgiving. It's not wowed me or anything yet but it's been solid and I am only a few hours in.
 
Vic Damone Jr.

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Oct 27, 2017
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It petered off towards the end but it was still an enjoyable play the whole way through. The twists are predictable but I still didn't see em coming and they kept me engaged throughout the story. Simply amazing.
 
lemonade

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May 8, 2018
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Lol at the suggestion of using Cyberpunk refund money to buy this game.

Because that is absolutely what you should do. It will be the best $60 you have spent on a game this year. (or $30 cause it's been on sale multiple times now.)
 
Version 3.0

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Keldroc said:
It's fucking absurd is what it is. It's pretty good but my only conclusion from threads like this is people need to read more books.
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That's my conclusion any and every time people rave about how great any videogame's story is. Put an asterisk on all of them: *by the standards of video game storytelling.

But I'll admit, the method of video game storytelling can be fun, usually in the sense of piecing together clues from your in-game wandering.

Nevertheless, I'm going to check this game out. VanillaWare's name got me on board.
 
ArkhamFantasy

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Version 3.0 said:
That's my conclusion any and every time people rave about how great any videogame's story is. Put an asterisk on all of them: *by the standards of video game storytelling.

But I'll admit, the method of video game storytelling can be fun, usually in the sense of piecing together clues from your in-game wandering.

Nevertheless, I'm going to check this game out. VanillaWare's name got me on board.
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Video games have story telling mechanics that movies, shows, and books can't replicate, they also have far greater immersion. People aren't getting attatched to video game characters because just because of the writing.
 
Viale

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Version 3.0 said:
That's my conclusion any and every time people rave about how great any videogame's story is. Put an asterisk on all of them: *by the standards of video game storytelling.

But I'll admit, the method of video game storytelling can be fun, usually in the sense of piecing together clues from your in-game wandering.

Nevertheless, I'm going to check this game out. VanillaWare's name got me on board.
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Ehh even then... I'd still say it pales to a lot of video game stories. I kept expecting it to grab me as much as something like VLR or steins;gate, and it just never did. Opinions and all though for sure.

It does have that trademark vanillaware quality where it looks absolutely gorgeous though for sure.
 
Jakenbakin

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Version 3.0 said:
That's my conclusion any and every time people rave about how great any videogame's story is. Put an asterisk on all of them: *by the standards of video game storytelling.

But I'll admit, the method of video game storytelling can be fun, usually in the sense of piecing together clues from your in-game wandering.

Nevertheless, I'm going to check this game out. VanillaWare's name got me on board.
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I would happily say this game has fine writing, but I don't know how many people mean to praise it for the writing specifically. It's a champion in narrative design in a unique format is why it gets the praise it does, and if Keldroc thinks reading a book is in any way a meaningful comparison, I don't think they're right. This game is a masterpiece of weaving familiar plot beats and tropes with just enough thread for you to be able to tug on several at a time, yet lead you to a completely different conclusion than expected. And it does this while allowing a surprising amount of freedom in how to approach the story. It's incredibly impressive what they've accomplished, and it's literally not possible for a book to have done what it did.
 
TheWildCard

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Jun 6, 2020
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I'm playing it right now. Only a few hours in so I can't say too much beyond it's very very pretty, and feels like the best use of Vanillaware's strong points yet.
 
-Tetsuo-

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Zonic said:
So for those who want the "why are they naked" context:

.....I can't say because it's actually a super huge spoiler revealed at the end of the game, but I can at least say this.

They're not technically kids while naked, as the game explains they're actually older due to INSERT HUGE GAME REVEAL HERE, so the only partial nudity is with adults

That's the best I can explain without just flatout explaining a huge plot reveal.
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Are they 1000 year old dragons?
 
Fromskap

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This game is evergreen. While basically every other game I've played this year will eventually be supplanted through technological innovations, this game is irreplaceable.
 
Xita

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Oct 27, 2017
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Great game.

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It's a good game but some of the praise it gets is definitely over the top
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Yeah I have to agree that it's getting there though. Had a really good time but I didn't feel like it was the "GOAT" or anything, it's a pretty hard sell to most people with its genres.
 
Diarrhea Day-Lewis

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Gravidee said:
There is no child nudity in this game, and no, there is no stupid 1000 year old dragon loli explanation either. If you really want a real explanation at risk of having this part of the story spoiled for you, then by all means click the spoiler below:
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I know that plot point: So to answer this

you don't know that for 90% of the game and they are presented like 14-16 year olds. And also, whether the legal or not sexualizing just turned 18 year olds is still creepy IMO. /SPOILER]
The justification is so useless and unnecessary they could have done literally anything else, kept that plot point, and just not had them nude.

imo it's like "there's a reason Quiet is almost naked" levels of bad reasoning. Just because you can find a dramatic way to justify it in the plot doesn't mean it was a good decision
 
Jakenbakin

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-Tetsuo- said:
Are they 1000 year old dragons?
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I don't want to get into it, but not only are they not 1000 year old dragons, but the way that poster is framing it is absolutely wrong and I'm not sure why they put it that way. They are minors. If the game showing that they are nude in this scenario is too much for anyone, there's not a justification for showing minors, only a justification for why they are nude.
 
Jakenbakin

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bonesawisready5 said:
I know that plot point: So to answer this

you don't know that for 90% of the game and they are presented like 14-16 year olds. And also, whether the legal or not sexualizing just turned 18 year olds is still creepy IMO. /SPOILER]
The justification is so useless and unnecessary they could have done literally anything else, kept that plot point, and just not had them nude.

imo it's like "there's a reason Quiet is almost naked" levels of bad reasoning. Just because you can find a dramatic way to justify it in the plot doesn't mean it was a good decision
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I mean, while I disagree in general and that the justification makes perfect sense and isn't made to titillate, but rather explain what would otherwise be a plot hole, why do people keep saying they're 18? They're all explicitly under 18.
 
ChrisR

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The gameplay going on when defending the city and whatever seems like something I'd love, but everything else is 100% not for me. Shame
 
Keyouta

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100% would play this right now if I had a PlayStation. Not buying a 5 for another year probably. How do I convince Sega to release it on Steam or Switch lol
 

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It's unique and memorable enough for me to like the game, but that's about it.
It is hell of a job to make this labyrinth-like narrative work. But the characters...
tbh most of the characters are pretty boring anime stereotypes without much depth.
 

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Zonic said:
There is no child nudity in this game, and no, there is no stupid 1000 year old dragon loli explanation either. If you really want a real explanation at risk of having this part of the story spoiled for you, then by all means click the spoiler below:
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If you need to get to the end of a game to find out "oh I haven't been looking at nude kids for hours and hours, phew" then you are playing the wrong fucking game.

Or to put it another way, if you are ever talking about the depiction of minors and nudity and use the word "technically" you really need to check yourself.
 
Viale

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Jakenbakin said:
I mean, while I disagree in general and that the justification makes perfect sense and isn't made to titillate, but rather explain what would otherwise be a plot hole, why do people keep saying they're 18? They're all explicitly under 18.
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Are you sure? I thought they were explicitly 18?
and they were originally meant to enlist in a program at 18 for a couple years before taking over that planet, but they obviously couldn't do the program.

I feel like I distinctly remember them saying they were 18. Maybe I'm misremembering though I can't find anything about their age or school year through some quick searches. I don't remember them explicitly saying years, but maybe I missed it.

Also, the spoiler for why they're naked still doesn't explain why fuyusaka and kisaragi are portrayed the way they do. Literally only there to titillate. Come on now.
 
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Diarrhea Day-Lewis

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Jakenbakin said:
I mean, while I disagree in general and that the justification makes perfect sense and isn't made to titillate, but rather explain what would otherwise be a plot hole, why do people keep saying they're 18? They're all explicitly under 18.
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I'm not sure. I didn't 100% think that myself but there was a lot I could've missed. For all intents they refer to each other as first and second years a lot so many of them should be 14-16 years old
 
Tengrave

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Beat this game today. Absolutely fantastic. S ranked everything. Got all the trophies. Vanillaware is incredible.
 
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