Just kill the German industrialists who thought they could control the far right to defeat the socialists. I still think the only way to avoid what happened would be either avoiding WW1 or inflicting an actual heavy defeat instead of the armistice.
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You are given the power to go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it?
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Just kill the German industrialists who thought they could control the far right to defeat the socialists. I still think the only way to avoid what happened would be either avoiding WW1 or inflicting an actual heavy defeat instead of the armistice.
There's a higher chance of Jessica Alba sitting on my face RIGHT NOW than any of you internet tough guys being capable of killing a fucking baby.
It wouldn't affect anything other than creating another universe without hitler that you wouldn't be a part of in the first place unless you are able to travel between universes as well however it wouldn't be your universe and you would just have memories of your own universe. So basically you wouldn't exist in that new universe other than as a inter-universe traveller.
And if you returned to your own universe nothing would be different since you would always exist in the universe where Hitler was apart of that history.
And if you returned to your own universe nothing would be different since you would always exist in the universe where Hitler was apart of that history.
Absolutely is. In the face of saving millions of people you're worried about what some hypothetical world without one of its worst citizens would be like. You can use this "who knows what will happen" line of thinking to try and justify not acting against any number of atrocities.
For me it'd create a paradox.
If I were to stop that, then I myself would never exist (arguably anyone born after 1945 in Europe wouldn't) as my grandparents met when my grandfather was stationed in Belgium during the war.
So, if I were to go back and stop Hitler, then I myself would not exist in order to go back and stop Hitler which means nobody would stop Hitler, which would result in the timeline going forward as it has done which would result in my creation which would then lead to me going back in time, and so forth..
Of course this is contingent on the single timeline theory.
If I were to stop that, then I myself would never exist (arguably anyone born after 1945 in Europe wouldn't) as my grandparents met when my grandfather was stationed in Belgium during the war.
So, if I were to go back and stop Hitler, then I myself would not exist in order to go back and stop Hitler which means nobody would stop Hitler, which would result in the timeline going forward as it has done which would result in my creation which would then lead to me going back in time, and so forth..
Of course this is contingent on the single timeline theory.
Would you stop at Hitler? How about all the other despots and dictators with massive bodycounts? You'll also probably need to deal with all the new atrocities
that pop up in your altered timeline. Without the lessons of WWII you'll probably be seeing quite a bit of shit going down.
that pop up in your altered timeline. Without the lessons of WWII you'll probably be seeing quite a bit of shit going down.
People arent born evil, if you went back in time and killed Hitler when he was a baby then you would be murdering an innocent child that has done nothing wrong up until that point. Wouldn't it be better to influence his choices and prevent him from becoming the monster he became?
It'd be easier to go back to 1913 and delay the train schedules for a couple of months.
Indian Independence taking a couple of more decades would have probably been a good thing in totality. The actual move to independence was very rushed primarily because theBritish didn't care had other things on their minds.
Indian Independence taking a couple of more decades would have probably been a good thing in totality. The actual move to independence was very rushed primarily because the
No because a "baby Hitler" would still eventually appear or a World War would still occur but at an age where technology would be far more advanced but with none of the lessons from WW2. The lessons that we got from WW2 meant that even though we still had and have conflict, it's infinitely more constrained by comparison. I would rather have WW2 happen when it did than in an alternative "future" where the consequences would have been much worse.
What does the total number of people existing afterwards have to do anything? You are trading the lives of one set of innocent people and their descendants for another. What is the justification for snuffing out the existence of one group of innocents for another? Rationalizing this by looking at "total head count" seems an overly simplistic way to approach the problem. How do you even start to decide what is fair?
Why even stop at Hitler? Why not go back to stop the Armenian Genocide, Irish Genocide, Mongol Genocide, etc? There is always going to be a group of persecuted people killed unfairly further back, and every time you go further back, you wipe out (ever more) the existences of those born after. How far back do you go? Which genocide deserves to be undone more? And how many existences of people born since are you willing to erase in exchange?
If "the crime has already happened" then the lives of those who wouldn't have lived because of the Holocaust (likely the majority of people born since it) have also lived lives that have "already happened". You are basically admitting this path would end the existence of billions of people that "already happened".
If you killed Hitler the future would look probably very different, but not necessarily in ways that would be better. Hitler was just a catalyst in a world in unrest, for all we know the chain of events could have been very different had some else risen to the power Hitler had.
The fall of Hitler was his ego and massively overreaching his army's combat capabilities, he could have settled for a massive nation had he been able to make arrangements with Russia. Now imagine someone who was more composed and willing to play long term, that would be frightening.
The fall of Hitler was his ego and massively overreaching his army's combat capabilities, he could have settled for a massive nation had he been able to make arrangements with Russia. Now imagine someone who was more composed and willing to play long term, that would be frightening.
Honestly, no. It mostly worked out in the end, although I'd have to severely apologise to the Jewish population for that line of thought. I expect someone else would do what Hitler did if he didn't, and it might not work out in the end, including causing the formation of what is now the EU, which is an incredibly important peace treaty I wouldn't want to cause to not exist.
If I'm going on a time traveling murder spree though, I do have to wonder if Nigel Farage didn't survive that helicopter crash if things would be going so badly for the UK regarding remaining in the EU...
If I'm going on a time traveling murder spree though, I do have to wonder if Nigel Farage didn't survive that helicopter crash if things would be going so badly for the UK regarding remaining in the EU...
Nope.
What if another person takes the Hitler role but is a better commander and wins the war?
What if the war never happens but neither does the peace between Europe, Russia and the US and colonialism still reigns?
Whatever happens, the effect of taking out such an important figure will surely change everything else subsequent which means everything and everyone you know, yourself, your kids etc. Or it won't, in which case all you have achieved is the the murder of a baby.
What if another person takes the Hitler role but is a better commander and wins the war?
What if the war never happens but neither does the peace between Europe, Russia and the US and colonialism still reigns?
Whatever happens, the effect of taking out such an important figure will surely change everything else subsequent which means everything and everyone you know, yourself, your kids etc. Or it won't, in which case all you have achieved is the the murder of a baby.
No Murdoch, no The Sun and no page 3, no Samantha Fox, no Touch me single. Can you live with this timeline?
Are people seriously voting yes? Your family might never exist or your loved ones, I might consider it if it just created an alternate reality for the victims to live it and even then I don't think I could kill a baby.
Being incredibly selfish: I know what my situation is right now and it's pretty good. Removing Hitler from history screws with the timeline in ways nobody can predict. Maybe it's better, maybe it's worse, who knows? I don't want to give up the known for the unknown.
You know what the holocaust was right? and the suffering people endured during it. Yeah I would sacrifice my own and others lives to prevent that. Honestly this thread is shockingly pro-Hitler.
Fascism as a militant right wing alternative to communism was already a growing phenomenon by then, it didn't necessarily need one individual to take off in Germany or other countries. NSDAP was something Hitler co-opted, not created after all.
I think what a lot of people haven't considered is that the events of WW2 and the Holocaust have of course permanently poisoned Fascism/Nazism as ideologies. But without Hitler, without the fanatical anti-semitism and the insane gambles Hitler took as a leader those events may not have occurred. And if they did not, people would likely feel no shame to talk about being Fascist because you might as well be talking to a monarchist or an anarchist or whatever.
In fact, without Hitler, Fascism may well have ended up flourishing rather than being a short lived phenomenon. As a natural enemy to communism, anxious capitalists in Western Europe would likely have championed its rise as a necessary bulwark to combat the spread of communism. Pre war this is what many people thought of Hitler but also admired in Mussolini.
I think what a lot of people haven't considered is that the events of WW2 and the Holocaust have of course permanently poisoned Fascism/Nazism as ideologies. But without Hitler, without the fanatical anti-semitism and the insane gambles Hitler took as a leader those events may not have occurred. And if they did not, people would likely feel no shame to talk about being Fascist because you might as well be talking to a monarchist or an anarchist or whatever.
In fact, without Hitler, Fascism may well have ended up flourishing rather than being a short lived phenomenon. As a natural enemy to communism, anxious capitalists in Western Europe would likely have championed its rise as a necessary bulwark to combat the spread of communism. Pre war this is what many people thought of Hitler but also admired in Mussolini.
Morally I'd be okay with it but I wouldn't actually do it. There's no real point besides personal satisfaction, Hitler alone did not create Nazism, not is he the sole reason they lost the war so his death would neither stop the Nazis initial rise nor prevent them losing the war. All that would be achieved is butterfly effecting the majority of the current population into different people entirely
Sorry we're only human. Would you consult with your family before hand and still make the choice, even if they were afraid of the consequences of them never existing and their partners?
How about if you go back kill hitler and the apocalypse destroys your time machine, can you go back?
What if killing Hitler prevents the creation of a time machine? Would you have travelled back in time to kill Hitler if a time machine didn't exist to send you back in time to kill Hitler?
I think the ones who got genocided would a have problem with that.
If you never exist and you killed Hitler, there's a chance you could rip a time paradox and it would cause more damage, potentially destroying existence, than world war 2 ever did. We don't really know what the rules are. Doctor Who called it Time Lord Victorious, like you're too selfish to care about the consequences of messing with time as long as saving some people makes you feel like you're right.
Without WW2 no ONU, no EU, no UNICEF, no UNHCR.
I would tried to stop the killing of other people. MLK and Julius Caesar (he was planning to invade Parthia), for example.
But I would probably use my time machine for time tourism. Watching extinct animals, visiting Reinassaince Florence, ancient Athens, etc...
I would tried to stop the killing of other people. MLK and Julius Caesar (he was planning to invade Parthia), for example.
But I would probably use my time machine for time tourism. Watching extinct animals, visiting Reinassaince Florence, ancient Athens, etc...
That's a great hook for a story.
If your grandparents never meet and you kill baby Hitler, the time paradox could destroy the whole universe. Trust me, I'm a time lord.
Hell no. There's a strong chance you'd end up unmaking yourself or those around you. Killing Hitler would fundamentally change the world and make it quite possible that the chain of causation leading to your birth never actually happens.
That's one way to look at it but I wouldn't want to make a choice just by my self, where billions of people could disappear or are replaced because of it. I have to be selfish and refuse the call. How much would you think of yourself that you deserve to make that call?
I've watched enough movies to know you don't change things in the past without fucking up history real bad
If your own actions create a time paradox,your grandparents never meet and baby Hilter is killed by a parodox...
cracks in the universe, the end of the world is coming.
You're creating an alternate timeline and it doesn't ultimately matter to your prime timeline that you now can't get back to and if you can then again, pointless. Anything else is a mine field of potential paradoxes.
Germany could have just kept him in prison after he tried to overthrow the government rather than releasing him 1 year later. Maybe they could have used the fact that he was writing Mein Kampf while he was in there might have clued them in too that this guy is too dangerous to let out. Maybe capital owners shouldn't have pressured Hindenberg to hire him on to some elevated position even after losing an election.
No. It would create a completely unknown different world. Probably far less developed than now. And with a totally different set of people.
I think if someone gave you a time machine and offer to kill a baby Hiltler, they're probably a comic book villain, and was aware you're going to create a paradox that will destroy us all, and then he'll monologue to superman how it was actually humanity's arrogance and choice to kill a baby and he merely gave them the tools.
No just give his dad a condom or have him pull out just before he cums.
You don't have to kill baby Hitler