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Yoda or Darth Sidious- who was stronger?
- Thread starter Bor Gullet
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Word of God and I don't believe in Death of the Author unless the author is straight up lying and it's obvious that he is
I understand rule of two, but I always thought you wanted an apprentice who had the potential to be stronger than you and that you could train, not someone who is powerful enough to unseat you at any time. Especially given how unstable prequel anakin was.
From my understanding palp gets stronger when he kills the jedi council members he takes on a more powerful state of the darkside.
Is Obi-Wan the only one to never lose a fight? Searching my memory. I mean, besides him giving up the ghost in ep 4.
Anakin has strong growth rates.
Him tapping into the dark side added like 10 levels to him.
The best thing that Obi Wan did for Palpatine was maim Anakin.
If Anakin had won, he's have immediately murdered Sidious and crown himself Emperor.
And Emperor Skywalker would've been easier to deal with politically than Emperor Palpatine.
So any truth to the theory that Palpatine saved Anakin by draining Padme's life force? And this is kind of supported by the way Lucas intercut between the two characters during her death and his rebirth?
The only guy who could beat Palpatine in a fair duel was Windu but Palpatine had a cheat code in that bitch Anakin.
Palpatine kinda wrecked Yoda and laughed the whole time. Yoda was holding his own for a while but it was kinda obvious he was more interested in having fun than being serious.
Palpatine's weakness is his age. He can't physically fight for extended periods of time, as he showed when he was getting visibly tired against Maul and Savage and decided to stop playing with them.
Fighting with the Force, though? Yeah he could do that all day.
I'm still conflicted about this. We know Palpatine threw the fight to make Anakin choose between him and the Jedi, but could Windu have beaten him if Anakin never showed up? Or was Palpatine playing with Windu the way he played with Yoda and Maul?
Palpatine's weakness is his age. He can't physically fight for extended periods of time, as he showed when he was getting visibly tired against Maul and Savage and decided to stop playing with them.
Fighting with the Force, though? Yeah he could do that all day.
I'm still conflicted about this. We know Palpatine threw the fight to make Anakin choose between him and the Jedi, but could Windu have beaten him if Anakin never showed up? Or was Palpatine playing with Windu the way he played with Yoda and Maul?
Jesus, ain't it obvious? Yoda himself escapes through a duct crawling like a bitch admitting the need to go into exile. There is no doubt.
I'm pretty sure it's stated with Mace Windu in a lightsaber fight you ain't beating him dude was just a god of lightsaber
It always seemed to me that Yoda ran out of time to take Palpatine out more than anything. Didn't a bunch of reinforcements arrive right after Yoda fell? Seemed like he wouldn't have time to go all the way back up in the Senate to start round 2.
Past that, it looked like a total stalemate to me. That's the best the plot would allow for anyway.
Past that, it looked like a total stalemate to me. That's the best the plot would allow for anyway.
That is my thought too. The fate of the galaxy was at stake. If he could have bested him, he would have.
Palpatine of course. He kicked that green fucker's ass so bad that he retreated and hid like the coward he is. It's no wonder Luke took the almost the same course of action. Look at the coward that taught him.
Palpatine obviously.
Force Combat : Palpatine Wins.
Force Politics(?) : Palaptine Wins huge.
He dinglehandedly dismantled Jedi order and Yoda's ear didn't even turned.
Force Combat : Palpatine Wins.
Force Politics(?) : Palaptine Wins huge.
He dinglehandedly dismantled Jedi order and Yoda's ear didn't even turned.
Whenever I think of Yoda I get a little sad realizing we only ever see 20 years of his life in the 900 years he's been alive. I want to know what the hell he experienced during those 900 years.
Can't really cite the books over the creator. The old canon is all over the place. Clone Wars series shows that even during Palpatine's time the Rule of Two was being ignored. Mace was one of the most difficult Jedi to face in a Lightsaber fight due to his ability to use Vaapad. Sheev lost the saber fight and without Anakin as a distraction it's unknown whether he would've been able to utilize his force powers to reverse his situation.
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Contend with, not defeat. Only Anakin could truly defeat Sheev. There's plenty of evidence to suggest Palpatine deliberately lost the fight against Windu.
Even if Windu disarmed Palps fair and square, the latter's skill in the force is much stronger than Windu's. If Anakin never showed up, I'd imagine Palps would have won.
These Palp votes have my heart aflutter. I think I need a tall glass of rich, chocolate, UNLLLIIIMMIIITTTEDD PPOOOOOOWWWWAAAAAHHHH!!!
Well according to TLJ doesn't the force auto-balance so if there are 100 light side ppl the 2 dark side ppl have to be equally as powerful?
Yoda did seem more calm during the fight though, he was able to counter force lightning and Palpy looked like he was losing the lightsaber battle. It was the 100+ft fall that did Yoda in.
Yoda did seem more calm during the fight though, he was able to counter force lightning and Palpy looked like he was losing the lightsaber battle. It was the 100+ft fall that did Yoda in.
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I mean, Palpy was laughing the whole fight and looking like he was having the time of his life.
It did seem like he only lost because the plot needed him to. Got suddenly sloppy right at the end. He was dominating for the majority of the actual fight. Dodging anything Sheev threw at him, catching the lightning like it aint shit. Right at the beginning made him look like a fuckin idiot rolling over his own desk.
I'm gonna say that Yoda is more skilled but Sheev has better endurance and call this a shrug.
But if I have to choose one for the poll, I guess I choose Sidious because Yoda never tried to face him again. So it seems like he made a personal choice that he couldn't get it done himself. Again for plot reasons.
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Did you miss the beginning? :p
In the novelization it's said Yoda ran away because he realized he couldn't beat Sheev, because unlike the sith, the jedi didn't evolve.
Just a flesh wound
Probably didn't even know he had that shit up his sleeve, practically a sucker punch
Got a handle on it soon after
But I guess that quote from the novel solidifies my vote for Sheeven Q. Palpatine.
Can you imagine the sheer orgasmic elation of being the one who successfully executes a 1000 year plan where you defeat your religion's eternal enemies and take total control the galaxy? The joy experienced by Sheev in ROTS is nearly unrivaled in fiction, breaking character and hootin and hollerin as everything comes together.
Like I said, Lucas said that Mace beat Palpatine in a duel.
Palpatine barely beat Yoda so I really doubt that Palpatine was playing around with Mace when Mace is as strong as Yoda.
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Mace may be a good duelist but Yoda is universally considered to be the most powerful Jedi.
Sheev, but not by a lot. I think it's totally understandable that he would want to avoid that fight if he could.
Well fights aren't just about which has a higher force power level if the gap isn't too massive. Skillsets, environment, mental state, etc, bunch of things can change an outcome. Anakin vs Obi Wan is the biggest testament to that. Mace vs Yoda would more than likely end in a Yoda victory(legends EU referenced duels between them with Yoda always winning) however Mace's specific skillset works better against Sheev than Yoda's. That's how the novelization went about it with vaapad being super effective against dark side users. Now the canon status of the novel is eh......
The lightsaber forms still exist in the new canon at any rate as they were mentioned in Rebels.
I think Yoda underestimated Palpatine at first but then when he was about to overtake him he got blasted to the ground. He probably figured it was a lost cause without a lightsaber and realized Stormtroopers might be there soon so he cut and run.
It's said that Mace could not only deflect Force Lightning with his saber, that he could re-direct it at it's original user. The Force Lightning is the only Ace up the Sleeve of Palpatine in that moment, so it's hard to argue that simply being stronger in The Force would have been enough. Have to chalk it up to, "we don't know what would have happened," because we simply don't.
This is my feeling as well. If Yoda thought he really had a shot he would have continued the fight. But after seeing how strong Palpatine was he had to do a tactical retreat to figure out how to defeat Sheev later.