Elite Dangerous is a very different game than SC. They are both set in space and deal a lot with delivering cargo, but beyond that, the similarities end.
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Yesterday, Star Citizen held a $275 dinner available only to users who had spent $1000+ where they announced a new $675 ship
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Elite Dangerous is a very different game than SC. They are both set in space and deal a lot with delivering cargo, but beyond that, the similarities end.
This forum isnt a person and Rockstar is a garbage company that makes incredibly unenjoyable games lol
Rockstar sucks and SC is a meme
It may not be a "scam" but it's one of the most cynical, confusing, yet brilliant business ideas I've seen in this industry. Chris Roberts is a genius. Regardless, I have little interest in a MMO that looks like it will be the worst pay to win game in the history of the medium. Only incredible gameplay, something never seen before will be enough to make me curious about getting into it. Hopefully Squadron 42 will be good, which if so, will have the wonderful side effect of validating Star Citizens insane business model.
I really do hope it takes that long, if only because then people will be able to sincerely say "James Cameron and Stanley Kubrick both made a movie in less time and they're perfectionists to the degree of maybe having unchecked mental disorders."
The faintest of moments I considered kickstarting this way back when grow ever more comical the more years go by and stuff like this occurs.
The 'Consoles "couldn't possibly handle" Star Citizen, developer says' headlines will also be pretty funny circa next year as well.
It feels like the next step is them scanning potential buyers for their Thetan levels and then advising them on what DLC packages would best suit them for becoming a model Star Citizen.
The 'Consoles "couldn't possibly handle" Star Citizen, developer says' headlines will also be pretty funny circa next year as well.
It feels like the next step is them scanning potential buyers for their Thetan levels and then advising them on what DLC packages would best suit them for becoming a model Star Citizen.
I feel like you could show me the text from any Star Citizen thread here or on GAF, and I wouldn't know if it came from 2014 or 2019
I mean, I didn't.
And crunch wise guarantee you at this phase in development RDR2 sure as shit was a lot closer to completion than SC is now
It's definitely not a scam but it's definitely scummy.
This is probably their initiation for level 6 lotus
What part of the single player content can't be used in the mmo? Seriously outside of actors what? Both are space sims ffs and that comparison you did is just stupid. You will walk the same, fly the same and shoot the same etc etc in both games.
The initial aim is exactly what they should have aimed at. Deliver the promise they made to the kickstarter and those backers. Instead they continued their plead for money seeing how much people were giving them and increasing the scope every milestone they set to the point were they are now even asking investors for 50 MILLION dollars more outside their astronomical funded 200 MILLION just because they constantly increased their scope.
Had they focused the money first into a complete game or early access and added the rest as a continuing dlc or whatever you want to call it that would have been fine. Instead Chris now milks whales for cash to buy a new ship that add another completely new mechanic into the game that will take additional development to implement when the list of things still not implemented is huge.
Game development takes time if you don't have a fixed goal and constantly move it or shitty management and this game has both of that like nothing else seen before.
I think because it's risky and not worth the effort. From what I've read SC barely breaks even due to how ambitious the game is. Meanwhile EA released their Star Wars mobile gatcha game years ago which still generates sales of ~ $150 million per year. All without fancy graphics, a big dev team or that much of a monetary investment to begin with.
I paid 35 usd 8 years ago (or whenever it first came out) and I think 20usd last year for a ship upgrade.
I've played it for about 15 hours and enjoyed the hell out of it, can't wait for the next big update.
I've played it for about 15 hours and enjoyed the hell out of it, can't wait for the next big update.
Great eventual OT title right here; would also fit for any future EVE expansions
At this point in time Star Citizen seems more and more like a way to get people with a Sunk Cost fallacy. This is basically gatcha game whales, except with cultish live events to boot, and no actual product.
That's probably because it's an evolution of already existing technology.
This narrative that there's no actual product is just.... tiring.
Loving the "paying money for the chance to pay money" aspect of all of this. I won't say it's a scam but I'm definitely behind "cult".
This fucking game...
What would this game even look like if it releases at this point? Is it going to be a microtransaction laden hellscape? Or are backers going to just have ridiculous, exclusive ships (destroying the balance)? Or are they going to devalue all those purchases with reasonable DLC that releases for the masses?
Is it even possible that this game releases and isn't a tremendous mess?
What would this game even look like if it releases at this point? Is it going to be a microtransaction laden hellscape? Or are backers going to just have ridiculous, exclusive ships (destroying the balance)? Or are they going to devalue all those purchases with reasonable DLC that releases for the masses?
Is it even possible that this game releases and isn't a tremendous mess?
Just to clarify, you can't counter claims of Star Citizen being a scam with "but you can actually play something!" Yeah, most pyramid schemes/MLMs actually sell a tangible product (it's how they avoid being shut down) but that doesn't make them any less of a scam.
Rockstar wasn't selling you horses to fund development.
They also have a pedigree that CIG simply doesn't have.
The game is not a scam, it's just a perfect example or terrible management and absence of boundaries.
From my very shallow understanding it's been stuck for years in a never ending loop :
- game's scale and promises are too big
- ~500 people / 5 studios / 3 countries (US, UK and GER)
- money runs tight while devs try to fulfill the countless promises made
- more money needed so another promise is made and sold (often in the form of new ships)
- money runs dry, repeat the cycle
Last years seem to prove they're desperate for money and that's not a good thing : canceling refunds requests (you now have the legal 14 days to back down and that's it), putting their own "blizzcon" behind a paywall, removing the ""in-game"" cap for real money spending, making a 28000$ big package with all ships released, etc.
Not 100% comparable but still : In this same timeframe another overly ambitious sci-fi game was announced, released with barebone content causing universal outrage, then fixed by releasing a steady stream of DLC every 6 months to attain and exceeds the original vision promised. And they certainly didn't have 500+ people or a 232,808,880$ warchest.
Meanwhile Star Citizen is in Alpha 3.6.
TLDR : Cloud Imperium needs some real hard management with deadlines and budgets and not let this dreamer in charge any longer or it will never be more than a glorified alpha/tech demo.
From my very shallow understanding it's been stuck for years in a never ending loop :
- game's scale and promises are too big
- ~500 people / 5 studios / 3 countries (US, UK and GER)
- money runs tight while devs try to fulfill the countless promises made
- more money needed so another promise is made and sold (often in the form of new ships)
- money runs dry, repeat the cycle
Last years seem to prove they're desperate for money and that's not a good thing : canceling refunds requests (you now have the legal 14 days to back down and that's it), putting their own "blizzcon" behind a paywall, removing the ""in-game"" cap for real money spending, making a 28000$ big package with all ships released, etc.
Not 100% comparable but still : In this same timeframe another overly ambitious sci-fi game was announced, released with barebone content causing universal outrage, then fixed by releasing a steady stream of DLC every 6 months to attain and exceeds the original vision promised. And they certainly didn't have 500+ people or a 232,808,880$ warchest.
Meanwhile Star Citizen is in Alpha 3.6.
TLDR : Cloud Imperium needs some real hard management with deadlines and budgets and not let this dreamer in charge any longer or it will never be more than a glorified alpha/tech demo.
Constantly calling the game a scam and ponzi or pyramid just allows easy deflection from the actual issues at hand.
Can we stop?
Can we stop?
If this isn't the OT title in 202X we have failed humanity.
I honestly have no idea how you go from big game whale hunting, to making sure in game credit only users can actually attain the same ship in a reasonable amount of time, if at all.
I want to know the kinda of person who does this. Like, please Kotaku give me a behind the scenes look at the event and this kind of person.
I don't think people mind the game has been in development for some time. It's more that the discrepancy between what they have promised, what they have shown, and what they keep on selling doesn't really add up
If this is all they have after 7 years odd years, and 75% of the features and content haven't been added yet, and they still keep selling people parts of the game, it's only natural people start to raise eyebrows
I have no dog in this fight so for me it's just interesting to see how long this will go on for. Hopefully they do come out with a really good end product, but if I were a gambling man I would say this will probably be rushed out at door shortly after the whole project collapses in on itself and doesn't really deliver on half of what they have promised
Right now it's win win for the developers because they can do whatever crazy money raising stunt they like, and people will still say "these things take time, they're working on new tech" etc
If this is all they have after 7 years odd years, and 75% of the features and content haven't been added yet, and they still keep selling people parts of the game, it's only natural people start to raise eyebrows
I have no dog in this fight so for me it's just interesting to see how long this will go on for. Hopefully they do come out with a really good end product, but if I were a gambling man I would say this will probably be rushed out at door shortly after the whole project collapses in on itself and doesn't really deliver on half of what they have promised
Right now it's win win for the developers because they can do whatever crazy money raising stunt they like, and people will still say "these things take time, they're working on new tech" etc
If you are charging people ahead of time for features that don't exist and may never exist if you eventually run out of money due to that feature creep...it's still a scam.
I'm glad there are some hardcore folks that are funding this, I'm good with my original KS 25$ for the small ship lol
Was just thinking that. I wonder how long they can pull this off before the whales finally stop biting.
I've never been more entertained by a game, solely through reading about it, since EVE Online.
SC has been and continues to be an incredibly poorly managed game, and comparing it to RDR2 does SC no favors.
It kind of sounds like they're circling the drain:
If this does blow up in their faces can the backers that have sunk thousands do anything to claim their money back?
No, I'm sorry, but any game that charges end users $675 for a ship tied to gameplay that doesn't exist yet is a scam, whether or not you can technically currently play something that proves somebody has compiled some code in the last decade.
People gave Hello Games endless amounts of shit for releasing a game that didn't live up to their hype, but we're supposed to let CIG slide while taking endless amounts of money for jpegs from people who just want a good space sim, because Chris Roberts happened to make some good games 25 years ago?
Bullshit.
People gave Hello Games endless amounts of shit for releasing a game that didn't live up to their hype, but we're supposed to let CIG slide while taking endless amounts of money for jpegs from people who just want a good space sim, because Chris Roberts happened to make some good games 25 years ago?
Bullshit.
A reddit comment that made me chuckle: "Is Star Citizen the new scientology?"
Youre 100% correct but be careful the Defense Crew is gathering.
They also released 4-5 games in that time (If you decide to count LA Noire). Star Citizen has no realistic timeframe to deliver 100 solar systems at launch like they promised, considering we're at year 5 and there's only like a 0.1% build.
The defense crew only latches on to the "Star Citizen is a scam and is never coming out" posts.
They stay pretty silent on issues like this. It's why the thread hasn't been littered with them yet.
Wait about 10 pages until the conversation has gone back to something they can counter with youtube update videos.
According to Wikipedia, prior to Star Citizen Chris Roberts was last involved with a game in 2003, when he worked as a concept designer for Freelancer, and he's not directed a game since 1996 (Wing Commander IV)
Kind of seems like he may be a little out of his depth
Kind of seems like he may be a little out of his depth
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