I don't think any non-concierge folk (let alone people not bought-in to the game at all) are authorised to know.
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Yesterday, Star Citizen held a $275 dinner available only to users who had spent $1000+ where they announced a new $675 ship
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It's an example of people being surprised that game development takes a lot of money and a very long time especially for ambitious titles. Like there have been delays ofc but they've also delivered on a lot of things they said they'd implement. The game feels completely different to play than it did years ago. And a lot of what they want to do will inevitably take a long time to implement.
I'm not gonna defend this dinner thing though, that's weird af.
They were working with a skeleton crew in 2012.
It's not a scam considering they do constant updates on what they have been working on (with footage, so it's not just empty words) and eventually add those to a build that is playable by anyone at this moment. It's mostly just its funding model that is scummy and its lengthy dev time that hasn't been without its issues that get people frustrated & negative towards the game.
Not quite. After all, the kids who went to Fyre Fest figured out that they were being scammed pretty quickly after arrival.
It's not like they are making a 3D plattformer and guitar hero kind of game at the same time they are doing pretty much the same thing as a shooter having a multiplayer and single player component that uses the same assets so that is not a good excuse even.
And the problem is just trying to achieve. They basically missed every deadline they ever set, they constantly add new shit they want to do instead of finishing what was initially promised to backers first and you know the initial release date was 2014. You can try to spin that date how much you like it but that was the date Chris Robert initially said it would be done before this future creep started and now I bet it will ensure this game never lives up to the expectations of anyone.
Almost sounds like he either doesn't know what the fuck he's doing or he at some point just decided to grift, hmmmmm
At this point it feels more like the Scientology of videogames.
The game hasn't officially launched. It's still in development. They've spent years building the technology, workflow, studios, etc. and it really shows, compare footage of the game fives years ago to today.
I mean, it is playable. I don't know why anyone would pay 10s of 1000s of dollars to play a capitol ship, but the game is at least fun to mess around with in its current state. Get a fighter and run around in the live environment and it's hard to not be impressed. The fact that you can go from zero-g space to earthlike gravity in the ship interiors is pretty neat.
In fact, I don't get why everyone is constantly so upset by this game. It's not like the monetization is super abusive if you're just getting in to dick around and watch development.
In fact, I don't get why everyone is constantly so upset by this game. It's not like the monetization is super abusive if you're just getting in to dick around and watch development.
Most threads about this game on Era lean into the "it's a scam" rhetoric, instead of keeping up with the updates.
Really recommend everyone interested in this crazy situation to watch the Sunk Cost Galaxy series you linked. As a KS backer I'm not really upset (too much) that the game I thought I was backing is no where to be seen, but all the manipulation and bullshit does piss me off.
whoa
i mean obviously the scope of the game hasn't changed a lot since then but, oof
That is a nice menu.
Ribeye is a little light for the price but I'd love to eat there.
And yet development somehow had to take three years to start, even though originally that's when Roberts intended for the game to ship.
Yeah, just move the goal posts about six more inches to the right, maybe a couple feet back...
Yea it's almost like the scope of the game changed and they had to spend a lot of time building the technology and staff or something. It's almost like game development isn't a linear process and plans can change as a result of varying factors.
Endless feature creep is generally seen as a bad thing.
Like, there's a spectrum between "not a scam" and "definitely 100% a scam." The fact that they have something to show for their work doesn't change the fact that their funding model is an exploitative grift that feeds on their most passionate followers.
Isn't it more like one side is doing an Uncharted game and the other side is trying to create an multiplanet, open world MMO with a completely seamless world & space travel.
And I don't think the initial aim matters if that was made with the intent of some original plans that were nowhere near what the game turns out to be when they get a much bigger budget than they initially planned. A lot of kickstarter projects promised something small, then got, like, 10x the money they asked for, and decided to put that money to good use and (tried to) make a bigger & better game on all fronts, leading to a longer development time and missing some early release date promises that were based on the initial plans. Game development isn't easy to nail down. Star Citizen as it was planned in the beginning was maybe planned for 2014 but it's not all that unreasonable that the game they've actually been making wasn't done by 2014.
I'm not saying this project has been managed perfectly or even well, all things considered, and I do not like these ridiculously priced digital space ships as a funding model at all, but whining about not meeting the initial 2014 release date for a project this big is kind of ignorant, in my opinion. Game development takes time. Maybe you think that they should have sticked to their originals plans and that's a somewhat justifiable POV considering how long this more ambitious project has taken, but game development isn't some kind of precise art, especially the bigger & more amibitous it gets. They are clearly still working on this full time and as shitty as selling 600+ dollar ships is, the project is advancing. Stuff is getting added, significant stuff. It may not be things that they have given some deadlines for that we have gotten past but neither are they just some frivolous "here's a few more hair options for your character" type things.
It's almost like the game is at $232 million without a single gameplay loop put on the game, or an interesting planet to play on. Because yeah, Hurston looks good, but there's not much to do. And if they can't do more than a planet in 5 years, how can they deliver 100 solar systems at launch?
THIS is what I'm waiting for. I don't really care about the game at all and I hope the backers eventually get something at least close to what they were promised, but I want to see the full story of it's development.
If they keep changing and adding things the game will never be released.
There's a game somewhere in there and when it works it seems pretty impressive but the amount of milking these guys do from their community is just absolutely awful.
This. I don't find it completely unlikely that they will at some point release _something_ that will be a somewhat completed game. I wouldn't bet money on it, but sure, maybe.
But I don't for a second believe that any such released product will contain even a fraction of what they promised already (and they still keep adding new mechanics and gameplay loops).
Its gonna be funny when in ten years the game continues to be in alpha and its defenders will keep saying "no this is ok did you see the last update"
This one isn't though. This one is about their insane monetization practices that would make EA blush. Steering the conversation to how they're still slowly making a game and providing updates doesn't take away the fact that they have built and cultivated one of the largest whale farms in all of gaming.
I don't care if it's the greatest game ever made at this point, if DLC locked behind exclusive dinners doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth then you are on the wrong side of the industry.
might ass well just set your money on fire instead.
or you know actually donate it to a worthwhile cause.
or you know actually donate it to a worthwhile cause.
Red Dead Redemption 2 took, what, 8 years with a team that was eventually at least twice (if not three times) the size of Star Citizen's dev team (if the info I read in this thread is correct). The game's development has had its issues and challenges and will continue to do so. I'll personally give them 2 more years to have something more fleshed out in players' hands. If we still only have one city planet and a huge amount of gameplay systems they've announced by now still aren't added into the game, sure, I'll join the more pessimist side of this argument. As is, I just don't think we are yet beyond some "this game is never coming out" point in development, as shitty as these super expensive digital space ships are.
Yes you are right!!
I can see this be as successful as other legendary companies like Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities.
This forum literally praised Rockstar for spending nearly a decade on RDR2 and that was with the endless crunch that by my knowledge, isn't happening with SC.
Meh, no sympathy from me for the whales and people still supporting this scam of a game with hundreds or thousands of dollars.
SC has been cult like and a money pit for years now. More and more money is thrown at this feature bloated shell of a game and they're no closer to a launch
SC has been cult like and a money pit for years now. More and more money is thrown at this feature bloated shell of a game and they're no closer to a launch
Probably better off comparing it to a dodgy pension fund.
Calling this game a scam is dumb. It's no different than "lazy devs" mixed with conspiracy theories that are already provably false. I thought you guys cared about developers? There's over 500 you're shitting on right now that have been making a game you can play already. MMORPG's have been known to take 6+ years to make with a smaller scope than this game. Hell, single player games have taken this long. That's not even taking into account of actually having to build the studios and all the fumbles along the way. Here's a youtube channel that covers all the updates that take place if you're curious about them actually "doing anything".
The way they procure money is indeed worrisome, and frankly odd that anybody would keep buying hundred dollar ships at this point.
FWIW: I bought the game from the get go and everything they've done so far doesn't seem out of the ordinary for a game being developed and a new developer studio being built. I've already put more hours into this game than you'd expect (in the dozens). You'd be surprised how fun it is to do a cargo run here and there and just check out different places.
The way they procure money is indeed worrisome, and frankly odd that anybody would keep buying hundred dollar ships at this point.
FWIW: I bought the game from the get go and everything they've done so far doesn't seem out of the ordinary for a game being developed and a new developer studio being built. I've already put more hours into this game than you'd expect (in the dozens). You'd be surprised how fun it is to do a cargo run here and there and just check out different places.
At this point if you are still giving money no sympathy. I guess we will find out in 2025 when Chris Roberts disappears with millions unaccounted for.
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