I just wanted to say that I appreciate you letting us know about the Chinese idiom, and that I don't think you deserved to be dogpiled for this post.
This is delusional. An authoritarian government with the control over every aspect of their citizens lives that China has has never existed previously. What do you think will happen? The Chinese mainland rises as one against the government?
And free the rest of China too, they deserve better than a genocidal maniac at the helm.
in spite of being a monster, xi jinping is very much a rational actor, same as the last 3 NK dictators.
I would hope so. I don't realistically expect it to happen, because shareholders and trades expectations.
Being factually wrong about shit is not a moral stand.
"This is a metaphor" isn't "The translation is off". Nothing about the message was changed with regards to intent or context. That, and nobody in the thread was having any problems deciphering the intent or the message. Yet, the user jumped in telling us to not take a mass murderer "Literally" when he was telling us about all the mass murder he wanted to commit.
I'm not sure what's the issue with them providing more context. There is no harm in knowing more. Or you think that this information would downplay this situation? Come the fuck on.
Taking the time out of your day to write up "Don't take him literally" when nothing about the message fundamentally changes in the process is downplaying the situation, yes.
Sounds like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Tell me what message there is here other than a mass murderer threatening more mass murder. I'll wait.
You don't see the value of understanding how people in China, the audience for this in the first place would perceive the message?
I think there's a time and place for that sort of thing. That time and place generally isn't a time and place that involves having to use the phrase "Don't take him literally" when referring to a mass murderer threatening mass murder.
No one said he isn't threatening it.
You imagining an intent that I don't think was there.
China frame their military PR bullshit as "defending the weak" and "keeping peace", like every country does.
I get where you're going with this. I mostly agree. But I don't think there's anything wasted on adding to the context. It's not like anything is being accomplished here to begin with. We're just discussing the issue and no one here is empowered to do anything about it.
No one ever said that, don't be a disingenuous asshole because people called you out for wanting deportations of Chinese people.
I'd like to believe people on here are aware of all that bullshit. Doesn't change that part of what's needed to be understood is how the message is perceived over there.
...The message is "I am threatening to kill a lot of people if I don't get my way".
No. This started because the poster in question said "Don't take him literally". You're forgetting that my post was a response, and I would highly encourage you to read my responses to the other members here. We're directly discussing the merit of "providing some nuance to the translation", as you put it. I'm not having this conversation repeatedly at several different stages with several different people. Things will get messy and it's on you to keep up. Otherwise you'll just overwhelm me and there won't be any merit to any discussion at all.
I have kept up.
Ok fair point here on the Russian bots and such. But I don't think anyone here is on the verge of defending the CCP.
The threat is still murder. "Two completely different messages" my ass.
It's more "you will fail" than "I will murder you and crush your bones".
I think you're projecting here, or engaging in bad faith. One or the other.
