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Kyuuji

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Pyra and Nia and honestly the rest of the party gave him varying levels of shit for being clueless and Pyra commented that she's pretty patient. Pretty standard shonen stuff to me. This is like saying Edward Elric from FMA would never have grown up, become several heads taller and married and have several children which he did.
I'm really not seeing the connection between my post and what you're saying.
 

MayorSquirtle

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May 17, 2018
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Pyra and Nia and honestly the rest of the party gave him varying levels of shit for being clueless and Pyra commented that she's pretty patient. Pretty standard shonen stuff to me. This is like saying Edward Elric from FMA would never have grown up, become several heads taller and married and have several children which he did.
What even is this post. Do you think people's problem is that Rex didn't seem like he had it in him or something? Christ.
 

Fendoreo1

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Here is the ending cutscenes if anyone missed them when I posted them earlier
 

convo

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Oct 25, 2017
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What even is this post. Do you think people's problem is that Rex didn't seem like he had it in him or something? Christ.
Coming from XB2 i do think Pyra and Nia did try to get closer to him and i don't think this would have happened without their consent? I don't think Rex took the first initiative.
 

Fendoreo1

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Chapter 2 Cutscenes

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Chapter 3 Cutscenes
 

convo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm still not sure if they accidentally quoted the wrong post lol.
I don't know about the lording over them part, the people around Rex did tell him to get a clue about the feelings of both Mythra and Pyra and Nia and Rex are said to have talked about the confession in the game. Can't say there wasn't speculation that Rex and Nia got together, and people did think Mio is Nia's daughter but i can't say anything about the timeline of things.
 

Fendoreo1

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I don't know about the lording over them part, the people around Rex did tell him to get a clue about the feelings of both Mythra and Pyra and Nia and Rex are said to have talked about the confession in the game. Can't say there wasn't speculation that Rex and Nia got together, and people did think Mio is Nia's daughter but i can't say anything about the timeline of things.
the Mio(or rather M) is Nia's daughter thing is pure speculation as of now, I don't think its particularly likely, but it is possible
 

convo

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the Mio(or rather M) is Nia's daughter thing is pure speculation as of now, I don't think its particularly likely, but it is possible
I don't even know the details of this conflict honestly, spoiler threads really are the pits of actually getting plot details. If the spoiler pic to end all spoiler pics is acting like a black hole of attention, it is succeding in keeping me and others in the dark of the actual relevant plot.
 

Captain C

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I love this post.

This is a take spoiler so bad that I was forced to immediately go to sleep, and upon waking I'm *still* making this face. Ho-lee shit.
 

Kyuuji

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I don't know about the lording over them part, the people around Rex did tell him to get a clue about the feelings of both Mythra and Pyra and Nia and Rex are said to have talked about the confession in the game. Can't say there wasn't speculation that Rex and Nia got together, and people did think Mio is Nia's daughter but i can't say anything about the timeline of things.
I'm referring to his pose and positioning in the image.
 

convo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm referring to his pose and positioning in the image.
Would it be less offending if he were the one sitting and holding all three babies sorta awkwardly, and the ladies sitting over them smiling to show that it wasn't just Rex's idea? I don't know if there's a way to present the info in a way that won't knock the wind out of people, but i am not thinking along those lines you are implying personally.
 

Metto

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't really want to discuss the photo any more cause holy shit but I think there's a possibility the photo could serve to confirm a possibility that the kids are in the game.

There's a pretty good chance "M" was Nia's kid and while they haven't confirmed it there's a Consul member on the Keves side of someone that looks a helluva lot like Shulk and Fiora's descendant hell he's even standing next to the robot Queen in one of the Webms and I think he's the Consul member that's present on the robot queen twist

There's a female Consul member with red eyes that looks a lot like Pyra's and we even see in the cutscenes they show flashbacks of the crew fighting her and she uses a scepter that throws Fire at them. It's strenuous sure but there's a decent chance the Consul member is a clone or whatever of Pyra's kid who has it involvement in the story.

The only thing missing is that we haven't found a golden eyed Consul member who could've been Mythra's kid but they could still pop up at some point in the story. So if some of the Consul members are descendants of the previous game's characters I guess that's why they felt compelled to show the goofy baby photo cause those kids are important to XC3 in someway.

I guess at that point the question is if XC3 really does take place that far into the future after all of the original convergence point was during a time where the kids of Shulk and Fiora and Rex's family were still around
 

Kyuuji

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Would it be less offending if he were the one sitting and holding all three babies sorta awkwardly, and the ladies sitting over them smiling to show that it wasn't just Rex's idea? I don't know if there's a way to present the info in a way that won't knock the wind out of people, but i am not thinking along those lines you are implying personally.
I'm just surprised you can't see how weird it is in general, instead of trying to come up with some reasoning for each single aspect of it.
 

convo

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I'm just surprised you can't see how weird it is in general, instead of trying to come up with reasoning for each single aspect of it.
That it is weird in the first place? My pre-spoiler speculation would have been that Pyra and Mythra were only temporarily around for the ending of XB2, and Nia's appearance in the xb3 trailers made me think she had more time with Rex.This is surprising but not revolting to me. This sci-fi- fantasy world with kingdoms and shit didn't necessarily have to adhere to modern real world traditions. I find it weird that old pokemon games straight up say the humans married Pokemon in the past, and it never comes up again in future games.
 

Fendoreo1

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Holy shit N is brutal

He basically solos the party
he planned to kill them but change his mind and bring them the Agnus capital to have Mio die through her homecoming ceremony
make the rest of the party watch as Mio is evaporing but frees Noah so that he's her offseer to her execution, but he's unable to do it
as Noah is wallowing in despair, N kills him

Then the party starts a 2nd loop
 

Fendoreo1

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Jan 1, 2019
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I don't really want to discuss the photo any more cause holy shit but I think there's a possibility the photo could serve to confirm a possibility that the kids are in the game.

There's a pretty good chance "M" was Nia's kid and while they haven't confirmed it there's a Consul member on the Keves side of someone that looks a helluva lot like Shulk and Fiora's descendant hell he's even standing next to the robot Queen in one of the Webms and I think he's the Consul member that's present on the robot queen twist

There's a female Consul member with red eyes that looks a lot like Pyra's and we even see in the cutscenes they show flashbacks of the crew fighting her and she uses a scepter that throws Fire at them. It's strenuous sure but there's a decent chance the Consul member is a clone or whatever of Pyra's kid who has it involvement in the story.

The only thing missing is that we haven't found a golden eyed Consul member who could've been Mythra's kid but they could still pop up at some point in the story. So if some of the Consul members are descendants of the previous game's characters I guess that's why they felt compelled to show the goofy baby photo cause those kids are important to XC3 in someway.

I guess at that point the question is if XC3 really does take place that far into the future after all of the original convergence point was during a time where the kids of Shulk and Fiora and Rex's family were still around
the M as Nia's kid has yet to be confirmed despite some people playing deep into the game. I'd honesty be shocked if there was anyone related to older characters among the new cast, seems very unlikely
 

Metto

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Oct 27, 2017
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Holy shit N is brutal

He basically solos the party
he planned to kill them but change his mind and bring them the Agnus capital to have Mio die through her homecoming ceremony
make the rest of the party watch as Mio is evaporing but frees Noah so that he's her offseer to her execution, but he's unable to do it
as Noah is wallowing in despair, N kills him

Then the party starts a 2nd loop
Oh damn I haven't gotten that far yet but that sounds insane and that must be pretty early on if that's just Ch 3.

Considering we know N is a previous loop of Noah alongside M you can def tell that was an insane sense of vindictiveness from him
 

Fendoreo1

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Oh damn I haven't gotten that far yet but that sounds insane and that must be pretty early on if that's just Ch 3.

Considering we know N is a previous loop of Noah alongside M you can def tell that was an insane sense of vindictiveness from him
I think its supposed to be chapter 5, idk I'm not playing till release
 

Kyuuji

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That it is weird in the first place? My pre-spoiler speculation would have been that Pyra and Mythra were only temporarily around for the ending of XB2, and Nia's appearance in the xb3 trailers made me think she had more time with Rex.This is surprising but not revolting to me. This sci-fi- fantasy world with kingdoms and shit didn't necessarily have to adhere to modern real world traditions. I find it weird that old pokemon games straight up say the humans married Pokemon in the past, and it never comes up again in future games.
Doesn't have to adhere to modern real world traditions, yet is content to adhere to modern real world sexist tropes and archaic presentations of women. Odd how that works. If you're going to appeal to the fact that anything is possible in this sci-fi fantasy world then it could have been a little more inspired than continuously leaning on real-world sexist tropes around how women are presented and regarded.
 

convo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holy shit N is brutal

He basically solos the party
he planned to kill them but change his mind and bring them the Agnus capital to have Mio die through her homecoming ceremony
make the rest of the party watch as Mio is evaporing but frees Noah so that he's her offseer to her execution, but he's unable to do it
as Noah is wallowing in despair, N kills him

Then the party starts a 2nd loop
Watching the trailer i was also thinking the Consul was gonna watch in the theater as the party fails to save Mio again and again but this is pretty brutal . Still no sight of the Zohar yet? You'd think this whole loop business would come from that considering the whole endless recursion thing from the other Xeno games.
 

RROCKMAN

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
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DAMNNNNN!

Xenoblade was Otaku bait to the CORE the whole time lmao

I can't excuse what happened to cast of the 2nd game. Imma pretend this didn't happen at all and just go back to Mon Hun
 

convo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Doesn't have to adhere to modern real world traditions, yet is content to adhere to modern real world sexist tropes and archaic presentations of women. Odd how that works. If you're going to appeal to the fact that anything is possible in this sci-fi fantasy world then it could have been a little more inspired than continuously leaning on real-world sexist tropes around how women are presented and regarded.
This presentation of one screenshot is not gonna be received well i can tell. Knowing these games i'd say the women in this had the agency for it. That the appearance of Polygamy in a Nintendo game will automatically result in the degredation of human society is coming a bit thick.
 

Kyuuji

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This presentation of one screenshot is not gonna be received well i can tell. Knowing these games i'd say the women in this had the agency for it. That the appearance of Polygamy in a Nintendo game will automatically result in the degredation of human society is coming a bit thick.
No one has said anything about this resulting in the degradation of human society.
 

convo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Mio and Noah's relationship seems to be sweetest thing in a Xeno game, but i also wanna see the interaction between the other pairs and what those are like.
Context in a spoiler thread is less dense than water vapour, also don't think there even were gameplay impressions for most of this thread. There ought to be a better time and place to discuss the story since people are losing their minds right now, but this game is looking like everything i ever wanted from the continuation of Xeno-themes.
 

MayorSquirtle

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This presentation of one screenshot is not gonna be received well i can tell. Knowing these games i'd say the women in this had the agency for it.
They're fictional characters lol. Their agency is coming from the person deliberately writing them to fawn all over the protag and then get pregnant with his children simultaneously. The picture lining them all up sitting beneath him while everyone else is standing, like they're his property, is just icing on the shit cake.
 

Fendoreo1

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Mio and Noah's relationship seems to be sweetest thing in a Xeno game, but i also wanna see the interaction between the other pairs and what those are like.
Context in a spoiler thread is less dense than water vapour, also don't think there even were gameplay impressions for most of this thread. There ought to be a better time and place to discuss the story since people are losing their minds right now, but this game is looking like everything i ever wanted from the continuation of Xeno-themes.
same, but from the ending cutscenes my guess on the other pairs is

Lanz/Sena- Seems pretty clearly non-romantic. Their parting is even a brofist.

Eunie/Taion- This one I can read as either way. Probably up to interpretation
 

Rynam

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holy shit N is brutal

He basically solos the party
he planned to kill them but change his mind and bring them the Agnus capital to have Mio die through her homecoming ceremony
make the rest of the party watch as Mio is evaporing but frees Noah so that he's her offseer to her execution, but he's unable to do it
as Noah is wallowing in despair, N kills him

Then the party starts a 2nd loop

How far into the game is this?
 

Chumunga64

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Jun 22, 2018
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lmao, thanking god every day for making me a xenobalde 2 hater

what happens is on brand for xenoblade chronicles 2 tbh
 

Slatsunus

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I know it's a mistake to wade into this argument. But xb1/x/2 already had so many problematically misogynistic undertones.

The embracing of harems is all kinds of fucked up. Having it's origins in racist bullshit from colonial European travellers and feeding into stories of men's ownership of women. Embracing harems as a legitimate romantic plot devices is disturbingly fucked up. Alongside this, in other screenshots of women in that combined mode straight up having womb tattoos in their ouroboros armor. Completing another porn -> mainstream design pipeline. It's frankly disgusting the hand waiving some people will do to make it seem like this isn't a big deal. Just dozens of little "one off things" we're supposed to ignore for the great story. Fuuuuck that

Harem is literally a Arabic word. Turkey and Persia etc.

This isn't the thread for it, but for all the awful things colonization is responsible for, the origins of Harem and its fucked up shit is not one of them. It was existed on its own first
 

convo

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They're fictional characters lol. Their agency is coming from the person deliberately writing them to fawn all over the protag and then get pregnant with his children simultaneously. The picture lining them all up sitting beneath him while everyone else is standing, like they're his property, is just icing on the shit cake.
To be perfectly honest with you, considering humanity the last 6 months, this isn't ruining my day or upseting me the same way it does for you.
Seeing the other character dynamics in this game, i don't think a monster is writting this game.
 

Cerulean_skylark

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Harem is literally a Arabic word. Turkey and Persia etc.

This isn't the thread for it, but for all the awful things colonization is responsible for, the origins of Harem and its fucked up shit is not one of them. It was existed on its own first

OMG no. not as it is representated today. If you think Anime draws from ancient middle eastern representations and not more modern western interpretations, you're sorely mistaken.

"A distinct, imaginary vision of the harem emerged in the West starting from the 17th century, when Europeans became aware of Muslim harems housing numerous women. In contrast to the medieval European views, which conceived Muslim women as victimized but powerful through their charms and deceit, during the era of European colonialism the "imaginary harem" came to represent what Orientalist scholars saw as an abased and subjugated status of women in the Islamic civilization. These notions served to cast the West as culturally superior and justify colonial enterprises.[4] Under the influence of One Thousand and One Nights, the harem was often conceived as a personal brothel, where numerous women lounged in suggestive poses, directing their strong but oppressed sexuality toward a single man in a form of "competitive lust".[3][4]



To be perfectly honest with you, considering humanity the last 6 months, this isn't ruining my day or upseting me the same way it does for you.
Seeing the other character dynamics in this game, i don't think a monster is writing this game.

I mean, I see this picture and I sit back and think if this was a woman with 3 men and having a baby with each, we'd think very different of her. If Rex wasn't coded as white, well, i don't need to tell you what kinds of awful things people attribute to it. It's fucked up. Maybe i'm a jaded 36 year old woman who is tired of double standards and should not have such an opinion. But if this was ANYTHING other than what it is, this would be a very different conversation.
 

CaptainKashup

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Y'know, I'm really glad I'm not into japanese and anime stuff when I see shit like this lmao
 

convo

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I mean, I see this picture and I sit back and think if this was a woman with 3 men and having a baby with each, we'd think very different of her. If Rex wasn't coded as white, well, i don't need to tell you what kinds of awful things people attribute to it. It's fucked up. Maybe i'm a jaded 36 year old woman who is tired of double standards and should not have such an opinion. But if this was ANYTHING other than what it is, this would be a very different conversation.
Rex living in a small village where he considers everybody family can be an indicator on his values. Japanese media obviously takes on the western definition of a harem. But of the characters that are involved i don't think that subservience is part of how these characters were written, and people are disagreeing on that part about XB2 in this thread. That this can only mean that is too surface level to me since there is little discussion of if these characters would act this way considering the past game, just blanket statement and that's the end for most people.
 

Cerulean_skylark

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Rex living in a small village where he considers everybody family can be an indicator on his values.

Are there ANY other examples from this universe where this is the case?
Seems like an outlier to me...

I don't remember noticing lots of one man many wives families when I got to Rex's village. Or any other for that matter. Strange that the player protagonist is the outlier... strange indeed.
 

MayorSquirtle

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To be perfectly honest with you, considering humanity the last 6 months, this isn't ruining my day or upseting me the same way it does for you.
Seeing the other character dynamics in this game, i don't think a monster is writting this game.
Not ruining my day at all, I've actually been chuckling quite a bit at how breathtakingly bad it is and that they were shameless enough to put it in the game lol.

Also, you need to learn that people can criticize something and say that it's problematic without also thinking the person who wrote it is a "monster" or that it's comparable to real world tragedy. You're creating an awful lot of strawmen in your replies. Sometimes a thing just sucks.
 

convo

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Not ruining my day at all, I've actually been chuckling quite a bit at how breathtakingly bad it is and that they were shameless enough to put it in the game lol.

Also, you need to learn that people can criticize something and say that it's problematic without also thinking the person who wrote it is a "monster" or that it's comparable to real world tragedy. You're creating an awful lot of strawmen in your replies. Sometimes a thing just sucks.
I am also chuckling that they committed to it like this instead of like having a family tree imply this. I have tangoed with anime bullshit for 20 years now, and it isn't charting that high on the problematic scale to me. I know people will have fun with this game regardless, i mean if people can make LGTBQ fanart of Detroit Beyond Human despite the garbage fire of the people who make that game and my hatred for Quantic dreams in general, then people will take what they like and move on.