It works for quick resumes on old external HDDs but still questions as to if it loads games faster from startup
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Yeah I'll be sticking with the internal for awhile till prices drop. I don't mind messing around moving games till I have the space. $360 AUD just too much.
Why are people even pre-ordering one of these already? Are you planning to install a terabyte of next-gen games on your Xbox in the first few months?
At $300 in my home country, I'm not touching one of these things until there's a price drop. I'll cold storage next-gen games to my current external SSD if it comes down to it.
It'll only work for next-gen games, because they need to guarantee a certain level of performance from the drive. Previous-gen games on a regular external drive should still benefit from some performance improvements, of course - but USB 3.0 can only do so much.
The Seagate drive is functionally identical to the drive built into the Series X, with the exact same performance specs, allowing it to make full use of the performance enhancements of the "Velocity Architecture".
At $300 in my home country, I'm not touching one of these things until there's a price drop. I'll cold storage next-gen games to my current external SSD if it comes down to it.
It'll only work for next-gen games, because they need to guarantee a certain level of performance from the drive. Previous-gen games on a regular external drive should still benefit from some performance improvements, of course - but USB 3.0 can only do so much.
The Seagate drive is functionally identical to the drive built into the Series X, with the exact same performance specs, allowing it to make full use of the performance enhancements of the "Velocity Architecture".
Oh okay. I didn't see it listed there when I was searching, earlier. Prices are a little too steep for me, right now.
Yes - any Xbox Series game must run from the SSD, either internal or the expansion.
Why? Well for one I have a ton of Xbox One, Xbox 360 and OG Xbox games and this is without even knowing what launch games I will get. I know that they will also have Series X enhanced BC games. It is not like I will play all these games at the same time, but for me, I pre-ordered one just because I want to have the extra storage and be able to have several games already on the internal or expansion storage. But for me that is the reason why I pre-ordered one.
On my wife's Series S I will stick with the internal because she does not play a lot of games. She does already have a HDD External that we will use the Series S and just load the few games she does like to play onto the Series S internal.
I expect to, yeah
Storage is also one of those things I'll always waste money on, I can never have enough. I'm guessing it's a good thing I rent apartments instead of buying houses, so it's harder to become a hoarder.
They mention USB 3.1, though. If I'm not mistaken, my current HDD is USB 3.0, which may or may not be fine, but it does make me a little worried.
here are launch games
- Assassin's Creed: Valhalla
- Bright Memory
- Dirt 5
- FIFA 21
- Fortnite
- Gears 5 (Series X Upgraded)
- Gears Tactics
- Marvel's Avengers
- NBA 2K21
- Observer: System Redux
- RPG Time: The Legend of Wright
- Samurai Spirits
- Tetris Effect: Connected
- The Falconeer
- Watch Dogs Legion
- Yakuza: Like a Dragon
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we'll probably have about 850Gn or space after gib/go conversion and OS installation.
A bunch of those are game pass day one; then there are games that have been confirmed to have upgrades that people already own.
It will quickly fill up.
Current-gen games can still be played off of standard external HDD/SSDs. It's only next-gen games that HAVE to use either the internal drive, or this Seagate drive.
Yes I know that. BC games that are not enhanced for the Series, you can still have much faster loading times if they are on the SSD or expansion. For example, MS posted a video a week or so back where they had Outer Worlds on the Series S internal SSD and it loaded the game in about 7 seconds, whereas the side by side with a Xbox One S loaded the same game in about 57 seconds.
While next gen games have to be on the internal or the expansion, having Xbox One, 360 or OG games on the internal or expansion will give you extremely faster load times than you would get if you were using external HDD's.
uhhh that's what it's saying that the propriety ssd will make sure of the velocity architecture. What about the 3rd party ssd?
In New Zealand it's $388nzd or $254usd. Screw that man. I'd rather buy a 2tb external SSD. At least then transferring will be less painful.
I think the play this early in the gen is just to keep everything in a standard external and copy over what you're playing at the time. I can wait a little longer for BC stuff to load off the external, and store new games there that aren't in the current rotation
Having a 1TB memory card is a bit of a luxury
Having a 1TB memory card is a bit of a luxury
Yep.
I don't understand why this expensive ssd is an issue if you can just move things to and from standard USB drives.
So the expansion card is 80 dollars less than an S. Lol that's Vita memory card level shit. MS has lost the plot here. At least current Hard drives will work for cold storage. Hopefully Black Friday sales will net me like an 8tb drive for cheap.
Wasn't a vita memory card MANDATORY? Nah, this is a luxury. You don't NEED it. Most, in fact, will not need one, and for most that do, it'll take a long time before the internal storage is full. Sony was in another stratosphere with their pricing on vita memory
Games are hitting 100 gigs. "A long time" is going to be like 6 months. Less with game pass. The pricing on this is ridiculous but at least the current usb hard drives can be used as "cold storage". Doesn't excuse that the price of one of these is almost half the price of the x or 80 less than the S.
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How? All that means is the delivery format dictates a texture size limit, thus improving performance of the game due to not needing to render higher textures. It also means the space required for those extra texture resources is not needed, up to 30% according to Microsoft.
I only mentioned Sony due to their choice of storage expansion, as they are the opposite to Microsoft. Neither maker is going to have cheap storage expansion, simply due to the speeds and delivery optimisation chosen. Eventually the prices will drop thanks to manafacturer demand, however in the meantime it will be expensive for rather unique and fast storage.
Sustained random read speeds are as important as peak speeds when discussing the use for gaming. I'm not saying the Hynix can't maintain 3000 consistently over a sustained period of time, but often advertised speeds are peak speeds when reading contiguous pieces of data.
What games are hitting 100gb? I've seen 50gb. Not 100gb. Maybe cod?
And most ppl are not buying 10 games in 6 months! Lol
You're not wrong, but we don't have hard data for the Xbox SSD. So just going based off the numbers we know the SK Hynix should be faster.
the thing i keep people seriously under selling is the option to hook up a regular usb hdd up to the Xbox Series X | S, lets say 3 or 4tb, and use it as cold storage, and at a moments notice take Xbox Series X | S game that is stored on your external hdd, and move it to your internal sdd to play. The NEED for this expansion card, even for people with a Series S, years from now is non-existent
like I don't know if its just the words aren't putting this into perspective, so since everyone loves a shitty infograph, i used my low rent skills to make one, enjoy
like I don't know if its just the words aren't putting this into perspective, so since everyone loves a shitty infograph, i used my low rent skills to make one, enjoy
That's what I have with my One X right now as my primary games drive. Thankfully i can plug that into my Series X day one and use it for Xbox One games and cold storage.
Look at all those questions and clear answers. Sony needs to tell us anything about the PS5, it's a desert of information.
Here's my big thought:
The Series S and Series X basically have a user-accessable PCIe slot on the back. Any chance it could be leveraged for future add-ons of some sort? (High-speed wireless VR connection?)
M.2 drives are already the size of a credit card. I don't understand why they would limit themselves to such an obscure format knowing it would double the cost.
My bet is still on price gouging.
I know it's pricey and all but I dunno about price gouging, looking up similar size CFexpress cards, it looks like a miracle pricing-wise in comparison.
And usually sustained speeds need a heatsink in order to avoid overheating. This NVMe is a Gen4x2 pcie, with a sustained throughput of 2.4GB/s uncompressed, 4.8GB/s compressed. It's actually very hard to find a Gen4x2 NVMe apparently, probably due to it being Gen 4 and newer tech. I know Marvell has controllers for Gen4x2, but that read is at 3.9GB/s and presumably needs a heatsink for it.
There is a corsair 4x4 but it's actually rather expensive as well for the 1TB, and has 4.9GB/s throughput.
Force Series Gen.4 PCIe MP600 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD
The CORSAIR Force MP600 Gen4 PCIe x4 NVMe M.2 SSD provides extreme storage performance, using Gen4 PCIe technology to achieve blazing fast sequential read speeds of up to 4,950MB/s.
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Hmm yeah now you're getting me worried too, I have no idea what mine is but it's old.
USB 3.1 is backwards compatible with 3.0 etc. It will just be slower than if it were a 3.1 drive afaik.
The expansion SSD pricing proves one thing and one thing only: the consoles themselves are being sold for a crazy low price
For Game Pass Ultimate titles you could always stream a game if you are running low on storage. Just as a workaround.
It's consumer friendly in the ease of how the expansion works but it will be less consumer friendly in price. In the beginning Sony's options will be just as expensive though so it's not like on the price front that it's a huge difference. The only difference is over time there will be more choices and prices will likely drop faster. So I get the knock against proprietary, but let's not dismiss the ease of how much more simple Microsoft's solution is compared to Sony's. Sony's has a lot more room for user error compared to Microsoft's implementation. I'm honestly surprised Sony went with the route they did given how easy it will be to put a non compatible drive in.
Interviewer didn't ask the most important question.
Will the external storage card only be in a 1TB variety or will option for larger capacities become available in the future. That was a missed opportunity.
Will the external storage card only be in a 1TB variety or will option for larger capacities become available in the future. That was a missed opportunity.
If you read it, Ronald addresses that. Mentions different capacities in the future despite there being only one option at launch
I got it now; the USB ports on the Series X are 3.1, but to save time saying "You can use your USB 3.1 or 3.0 devices", they just say 3.1.
You still aren't reading it right.
The Seagate Expansion Drive IS the 3Rd party SSD
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That sux but that will do for 1-2 years. Until we can get 2tb more for 100-150. Right now it's stop small and too expensive (270euros in France. That's ... wow )
Just glad they weren't super out of touch here, and will let us use old usb hard drives as a reserve. Alleviates this issue somewhat.
Personally, I'll only ever jump between 5-15 titles in a year which should all fit on the internal, so bouncing my backlog of games between the external isn't too much of an inconvenience.
Personally, I'll only ever jump between 5-15 titles in a year which should all fit on the internal, so bouncing my backlog of games between the external isn't too much of an inconvenience.
I mean it's clearly not the option most people should pick, an external USB 3.1 SSD at half the cost that should copy games over pretty quickly or even a standard USB 3.0 external drive that lots of people have are still going to be the best options for most people.
There isn't one really, it still has the same speeds it's just a different connector. I wish they had a USB C port on the front just because of convenience but for hard drives it's not a big deal.
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