Why would the quality go down? If competition is focused on content, then demand for quality will go up.
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Why would the quality go down? If competition is focused on content, then demand for quality will go up.
it will have a shadows On/Off toggle, and it will be literal.
I´m seeing less money for developers in this new paradigm. That´s what drives me on thinking the quality will be lower. I really hope I´m wrong.
If consumers divert spending from content-makers to platform-holders, platform-holders will have to moneyhat more content-makers to make their platform attractive.
Netflix ends up paying out the ass for old and new content to be streamed exclusively on their service. Some artists have chafed at the paradigm change, some embrace it and have been very successful outside of the traditional Hollywood production model.
In the end, consumers will decide which model is more successful, people who make compelling content are going to get paid either way.
I´m serious, yes. But still want to be wrong.
They are threating Videogames like TV series or Songs in Spotify, and they are a whole different universe. I´m afraid what it may cause. Maybe we won´t in this generation, though, so I think we are safe for a good while.
For "developers" or specific businesses? Any market disruption will mean that businesses successful in the old model will be at the risk of failure in the new one. The developers...the actual writers, game designers, artists, musicians....their value goes up. Their value is not dependent on what margins the businesses have to contend with. That's for the businesses to figure out. If one business goes under, the creative moves to another one. That's economics. Your concern seems to be more for Sony and Nintendo than for actual creatives...which is fine. Not that I think they won't figure it out.
Good post. Agree. I might not be articulating well but it's what I'm getting at. The publishers and platform holders are at risk. People who make compelling content are not.
Sony is literally moneyhatting games AND game modes for exclusivity. GAME MODES. 3rd Party. This is happening right now.
And it's MS not doing the industry any favors because you're speculating that GP is going to burn down the industry.
It's goddamn EA Access all over again.
You started off with hyperbolic statements like this:
The markets will change, inevitably. Consumer demand changes. It's not up to you to say one way is good and the other is bad. Microsoft is not the only one realizing this, yet you act like they are the reason for all the potential doom and gloom. Why does EA Access exist? Why does UPlay Plus exist? What reason would Sony have for creating PS Now?
These companies are in the middle of figuring out new business processes to continue surviving and hopefully growing as time goes on and the future hits us. Acting like Microsoft is destroying the games industry by preparing for the future and inevitable change is why people are in disbelief of what you are saying. You sound like a fanboy in the worst possible way.
To get to here:
You are acting like someone that cannot handle or react to a changing industry. Not to name-call, but similar to an old fart saying "get off my lawn! Back in my day, etc etc etc"
The markets will change, inevitably. Consumer demand changes. It's not up to you to say one way is good and the other is bad. Microsoft is not the only one realizing this, yet you act like they are the reason for all the potential doom and gloom. Why does EA Access exist? Why does UPlay Plus exist? What reason would Sony have for creating PS Now?
These companies are in the middle of figuring out new business processes to continue surviving and hopefully growing as time goes on and the future hits us. Acting like Microsoft is destroying the games industry by preparing for the future and inevitable change is why people are in disbelief of what you are saying. You sound like a fanboy in the worst possible way.
MS is not destroying the industry it's just leading the charge, much like Sony attempted to do with PS Now 5-6 years ago.
I see people are brainwashed to protect brands instead of consumers. If markets change as a result of consumers making choices and speaking with their wallets where they find value, then no business is destroying a market. If markets change because of borderline illegal or unethical practices, hostile takeovers, etc...that's different. We seem to be arguing whether it's bad that consumers have a choice and whether it's bad that the choice might be too good a value.
What about film? Yes the physical film market is much smaller than it used to be, but it sure as hell still exists.
And that's not even counting the digital film market.
Businesses being afraid of market disruption is not my concern. It's an impossible leap of logic to use this to support the idea there will be less developer jobs as a result of options, value to consumers and increased content demand. Business Insider already confirmed major publishers are worried. Not my problem and it doesn't support the fear mongering in here from a consumer or market demand for creatives standpoint.
The thing we need to understand is things change in these industries. The games industry seems to be much slower in these changes than others, and in terms of what the consumers want, and what the industry can do, the market eventually shakes things out. The demand for a sub service has clear benefits for subscribers and even occasional buyers. How it works out with publishers and developers is another thing.
developers being afraid of this happening doesn't mean that it will happen. They're slaves to trends as much as the average consumer. In the end the industry will change and adapt.
As much as I respect Jason's reporting accuracy and credibility, we're just exiting an era where medium sized single player developers died off and creatives for those types of games were having their projects canceled from big publishers as a result of free to play and micro-transaction heavy multiplayer games. Those games were making the majority of the profits. Now we're shifting to new models which could bring back some of that content. In the end, markets goes through phases. Customer demands and expectation change. It's not dangerous unless customer trends are irrational, based on misinformation which would lead to a market crash or destroy our environment.
If the later are our concerns, we should be rooting for less plastic.
Also if your primary and best evidence against something is "some people" are concerned or "people are saying", you don't have strong evidence.
If the later are our concerns, we should be rooting for less plastic.
Also if your primary and best evidence against something is "some people" are concerned or "people are saying", you don't have strong evidence.
This is true, not always for the better, but change comes anyway. I don't want anyone to lose their jobs or a particular type of developer to end up floundering in the new business model. This is just where things are going. Content industries have all gone through transitions in this century. For the past 10 years I've watched a number of my friends who work in education publishing go through hell as everything started to move away from textbooks to digital.
And we are going to get to this future because... Microsoft puts their own games on Game Pass? Because people are going to stop buying OTHER games, on the off-chance it becomes a selection for Game Pass months from now? Are PlayStation users going to stop buying Sony's games now, and just wait a couple of years for them to show up on PS Now?
It's worth noting those AAA developers are nearly all currently owned by publishers who either have their own subscriptions that include access to all of their games, or are rumoured to be planning one.
Microsoft aren't going to purchase a hundred studios and put them under their umbrella - that would be financial madness. They are going to do what they do now: Use their big first-party releases as the equivalent of one of HBO's "prestige" shows, to drive subscriptions. Then fill in most of the rest of the library based on what makes financial sense for them.
True, I'm sure Arcade owners and consumers alike were weary when consoles hit the market. There were company's were born and some that died during the transition. It's just the way it goes, this isn't new.
There is one thing about Xbox Game Pass that's undeniable. It's an incredible value for the consumer, and for discovering and playing more games I would never play before.
Steep retailer discounts, cd key resellers and deep sales have long since been a force to convince customers not to spend $60 on a game. not to mention the absurdity of keeping the same $60 price point for multiple generations despite inflation.
Developers fearing change does not in any way mean it will be bad for them
I completely agree with the sentiment of others above that there will still be plenty of money going to creators
Some will inevitably fail at getting their share in the new model but I think it will greatly increase creativity and variety and also revitalize AA games which I am really looking forward to
I completely agree with the sentiment of others above that there will still be plenty of money going to creators
Some will inevitably fail at getting their share in the new model but I think it will greatly increase creativity and variety and also revitalize AA games which I am really looking forward to
insane some of the takes in here.
God forbid the consumer benefits.
Yes, I started off the gen as a primary ps4 user, before switching over to the X1X. I'll definitely be starting off with the XSX. I go where the power is. 👍
The irony of all this...as a 44 year old gamer who's been an enthusiast since my Dad took me to an arcade where we played Robotron and then eventually found an Atari 5200 on a Kmart Blu Light special....is that as this industry has changed, it's gone from 1 power player to 2 power players to now a handful of power players. In the next few years as barriers to entry lower and reach becomes easier, there's going to be more options and ways to reach consumers ever before. More options for consumers. More competition. More demand for quality content and pressure to offer value.
Yet even as the industry has drastically changed, gaming is the one that continues to do the best job supporting nostalgia. I own an arcade stick and can download most of my favorite past arcade games pretty cheap. There's still strong 2D games getting made...arguably at a better clip than when 2D was the only option. Outside of the deterioration of the social aspect of gaming, everything else has been maintained and then built upon. Forms of distribution and access change but the content evolves and expands. Now game preservation is more of a focus.
In the end, just be concerned about consumer rights and value. Gaming is not an industry in danger of consolidating it's creatives anytime soon. As long as the demand for creatives is high and there's good value for consumers, the industry isn't on the brink of disaster.
Yet even as the industry has drastically changed, gaming is the one that continues to do the best job supporting nostalgia. I own an arcade stick and can download most of my favorite past arcade games pretty cheap. There's still strong 2D games getting made...arguably at a better clip than when 2D was the only option. Outside of the deterioration of the social aspect of gaming, everything else has been maintained and then built upon. Forms of distribution and access change but the content evolves and expands. Now game preservation is more of a focus.
In the end, just be concerned about consumer rights and value. Gaming is not an industry in danger of consolidating it's creatives anytime soon. As long as the demand for creatives is high and there's good value for consumers, the industry isn't on the brink of disaster.
Or maybe they're a console gamer, and the console part comes before PC?
Ha ha nope. When you sit at a computer for work all day it's the last thing you want to do for entertainment.
If an Xbox has the gall to be really powerful, then the only logical next step is to talk about a lack of games or Game Pass destroying the industry.
What if PS5 ends up being somehwat more powerful as some people in the next0gen thread speculate?
They'd probably get the PS5 as the primary console.
Assuming their statement is accurate.
I'd still go XSX first due to game pass, but I believe it'll be taking the power crown.
More or less, but I wouldn't say primary, I always had both.
More like preferred for multiplatforms.
Already switched to Xbox since buying a One X for those btw.
Also, GamePass is just perfect for my gaming habits. Sony first party offering I can't give up though, looking forward to spending 1000/1200€ on consoles later this year.🤟
By AAA developers they mean Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Take 2 etc.
Yes they should be scared.
Question would does Era feel sorry for them?
I sure as hell don't feel sorry for them.
EA got me for like $500 worth of loot boxes during mass effect 3's run. They can lose some money. Same goes for Activision and Ubi
What will it cause exactly? Last time I checked developers are still getting paid, no?
After all the lootboxes, cheap practises and money hatting. Hell no.
If you would like to purchase the game, you can do that from the same store page.
IF Disney started to make their movies available day and date with the cinema release if you subscribe to a premium version of Disney Plus. Would that be a threat to the entertainment industry? I am pretty sure plenty of people would actually love that.
IF Disney started to make their movies available day and date with the cinema release if you subscribe to a premium version of Disney Plus. Would that be a threat to the entertainment industry? I am pretty sure plenty of people would actually love that.
l'm sticking with Xbox no matter what due to MS rewards, Game Pass, and BC, but I'll be interested to get a PS5 later to play all the excluxives I missed from PS4 and PS5.
EA has Origin Premier, I don't think they'd be too scared.
EA and Ubisoft are already pushing their own day one subscription services.
MS is explicitly trying to disrupt the industry because they have not proven the ability to compete consistently under the status quo. How destructive that will be, if at all, remains to be seen.
With significantly fewer games for significantly more money, and only on PC.
People attitudes are shifting, and that old method of competition is a race to the bottom, next gen will rewrite the rules, MS are putting their pieces in place to maximise options for this incoming change.
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