You can't. Comparing tflops has never been a reliable metric for gaming performance but for some reason it's all we've had for awhile. One things for sure is this console will be very powerful regardless.
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Xbox Series X: What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming (12TF, RDNA2 & Zen 2, Hardware Raytracing, Variable Rate Shading) OFFICIAL SPECS
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I'm not comparing Tflops, I'm projecting performance based on what we know about RDNA PC parts (5700/XT).
And technically, 2080 is a ~10-11 Tflops GPU (Super one is 10.5-11.5; the number depends on cooling mostly) which kinda fits with Turing+10% for Tflops comparisons.
It all depends on what type of loss MS is willing to take in regards to getting these into consumer hands.
Also, it's way, way too early to be making assumptions about developers and their intent. This is – by all counts – very powerful hardware and they are giving developers some serious options in regards to how to utilize that power.
For example, you mention 120 fps but I think many of us would be tickled pink at 60fps at native 4K with a smattering of next generational bells and whistles.
So work is being put into those next gen versions of MS games, rather than just simple upgrades to the current gen versions?
BuT cOnSolEs ShoUlD bE iNflAtiOn pRoOf aNd $599 iS a lOt oF MoNey.
You had to pay an upgrade fee. EA did that with all their titles (Madden, FIFA, etc.). It was $10 and you had to take the physical disk to GameStop.
I really do hope it's just a bait post..otherwise fucking yikes.
Well, I am sold on the console. This is a magnificent and beautiful piece of hardware. Now, sell me on the games, and I will buy it MS! I have high hopes for E3. Let's see what all these new teams can do :)
Edit: this will totally be $599, get a grip, people!
Edit: this will totally be $599, get a grip, people!
What's deemed unacceptable changes very quickly in this industry though. Nowadays major games that don't include cross progression / cross play are scoffed at. Cross play wasn't even thought of as a faint possibility just a few years ago. And with CD Project making announcements / tweets like this:
Means that publishers that don't support this type of functionality will face a ton of backlash and lose sales and goodwill.
Microsoft has made virtually every realistically conceivable stride towards a better future in first party games that they could've over these past couple years. They clearly understand it's been their weak point and they've taken major actions towards correcting it.
You can't between different architectures but RDNA is a lot more efficient than GCN (and close to Turing) and we have cards like the 5700 XT to make some guesses as to the Series X GPU perf
I think this announcement is what put me over to get the console Day 1. Just have one question, and maybe someone can help me out.
I have an Xbox One X. I get an Xbox Series X. I now have two consoles, one Xbox Live account.
I buy Halo Infinite. With Smart Delivery, I get the game on my Xbox One X and the Xbox Series X.
This means I can play the game on both consoles, right? Follow-up question: save data syncs with your account, so if I play 3 hours of Halo Infinite on the Xbox Series X, can I then jump to my X1X and continue where I left off?
I have an Xbox One X. I get an Xbox Series X. I now have two consoles, one Xbox Live account.
I buy Halo Infinite. With Smart Delivery, I get the game on my Xbox One X and the Xbox Series X.
This means I can play the game on both consoles, right? Follow-up question: save data syncs with your account, so if I play 3 hours of Halo Infinite on the Xbox Series X, can I then jump to my X1X and continue where I left off?
Yes you can do that, you just cannot be logged into both consoles at the same time.
I'm not an insider or the person you quoted but I always thought this was to be expected when they announced it. The games are going to be playable but the games on the Series X will certainly look next gen.
True, existing GaaS titles will greatly benefit from 120 Hz mode. But I wonder if Forza will go all in on ray tracing, that would then either be 1080p 60 Hz or 4k 30 Hz at best. Not sure what route CoD will go, as the 2019 PC version utilized RT effectively. I guess they could just disable all RT effects in 120 Hz mode if they really wanted to offer that.
That's how it works right now if you have 2 Xs in your house so I don't see why it wouldn't be true with an X and a SX.
That's wonderful. Pretty sure this tipped it over the edge on the Day 1 purchase. Thanks for answering!
Smart Delivery sounds like a value loss to me, or a value delay.
Next-gen game design restricted by last-gen hardware through temporary (Matt Booty has mentioned loose plans of ~two years) cross-platform development.
They say Halo Infinite is built to be a showcase, but how far can they go with the game's design when the thing needs to run on a base Xbox One CPU?
Can they make billions of space aliens with working digestive systems who are brain geniuses as they terraform the planet, and you're the size of Galactus (with a working digestive system) who can throw other planets at the planet and all the planets are full-sized and inhabited and simulated with wind carrying individual grains of sand from the deserts and you can teleport into the Silver Surfer who can blast down super fast to a thrown planet as it crashes into another planet and there's Robocop and you can have Turing convos with him and Tyrannosaurs with lasers who can enter all the buildings in the universe and destroy them and they explode into tiny particles which affects the physics simulation and slows the Silver Surfer down slightly?
If they can't make that, then what's the point in even getting a next-gen console?
Next-gen game design restricted by last-gen hardware through temporary (Matt Booty has mentioned loose plans of ~two years) cross-platform development.
They say Halo Infinite is built to be a showcase, but how far can they go with the game's design when the thing needs to run on a base Xbox One CPU?
Can they make billions of space aliens with working digestive systems who are brain geniuses as they terraform the planet, and you're the size of Galactus (with a working digestive system) who can throw other planets at the planet and all the planets are full-sized and inhabited and simulated with wind carrying individual grains of sand from the deserts and you can teleport into the Silver Surfer who can blast down super fast to a thrown planet as it crashes into another planet and there's Robocop and you can have Turing convos with him and Tyrannosaurs with lasers who can enter all the buildings in the universe and destroy them and they explode into tiny particles which affects the physics simulation and slows the Silver Surfer down slightly?
If they can't make that, then what's the point in even getting a next-gen console?
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It's going to be playing cross gen games. There won't be Series X only games, so yes - it's going to be held back by Xbox One.
How can it not be? Let's be real.
They're going super consumer friendly, but it's a double edged sword.
The price is what will win it for MS at the start of the next gen not which system is more powerful!. If MS can come in a good amount cheaper than the PS5 then that will get them the more sales not it being slightly more powerful than the PS5
Very powerful.
Basically a 2080 class GPU in a console with a 8 core Zen 2 CPU, fast SSD etc to go along with it
I think there seems to be a lot of questions about the jaguar holding back the next gen games, that's why I ask.
I like what I'm seeing.
Sony need to start talking cause MS is getting all the attention. I might actually go Xbox then generation.
Sony need to start talking cause MS is getting all the attention. I might actually go Xbox then generation.
2080 sounds a bit optimistic, but that would be pretty cool.
No way this is less than 600 USD. Also likely means the PS5 will be weaker and cheaper and will offer a comparable Pro model 2-3 years down the line to keep up with the XSX specs when it'll matter more.
All speculative anyway, but yeah next generation will have a higher entrance fee most likely.
All speculative anyway, but yeah next generation will have a higher entrance fee most likely.
There will be Series X versions of games. That means (to me) versions of the same game like we saw with Shadow of Mordor. You'll get the absolute floor of the game while the version of the same title for XSX will have an advanced feature set that takes advantage of the hardware.
Pretty damn powerful. This thing will be more powerful than my PCs £750 GPU. It's somewhere between an RTX 2080 + RTX 2080 Ti.
A 2080 Ti is currently the most powerful gaming GPU you can buy today.
I will need to be upgrading my PC.
I think you have it backwards if what was shown in the Github leak is even remotely close to true.
If you take a 9.x TF 5700 XT as a point of comparison, that's around where you end up at 12TF (and RDNA 2 might have some more optimisations/features, who knows)
It looks good on a stat sheet but yes with these specs nobody should expect anywhere near 120fps with ray tracing, especially cause most devs will still chase the 4k cause people get so caught up with that number. Hope for a stable 30fps with ray tracing and be surprised if its better in real time.
600 dollars is a lot of money ,especially if you don't live in the US
you mean the transition period of 1-2 years that Matt Booty mentioned?
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I bet that Halo 6 mp, Gears 6 mp, PD mp, FH5 mp, and Forza all modes will be 4k 120fps.
Anyone wants to challenge me.
Anyone wants to challenge me.
Based on the rumour that what is said to in the PS5 is said to cost ~$450 US, what do people with some understanding of component pricing believe that would translate to cost wise for this?
I'm not interested in what people think it will retail for, just in a cost comparison estimate.
I'm not interested in what people think it will retail for, just in a cost comparison estimate.
Yeah, I just reread the press release and that "open and transparent" bit seemed strategically worded and intentional.
This gen I was a PS4 and Switch kind of guy. I might have to go back to Xbox and PS4 (one for exclusives one for multiplats.) We will see what sony shows!
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Hypothetically they're going to make one Forza Horizon 5. There won't be two versions for sale. There will be one, and the performance and bells and whistles will depend on which hardware you play it on.
But the fact that it still has to run on an Xbox One means it's cross gen. That's what a cross gen game is. The fact that it has to run on Xbox One means Series X is being held back by the old hardware. You're not going to have an entirely new set of assets just because you're on Series X.
It'll be like it is for PC players playing Xbox games on Game Pass. Xbox One capable games with far higher settings and far better performance.
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