i can see sony having an issue since there drive is most likely there own drive since its supposed to the fastest ssd ever
Yup, I doubt they will have a standard port that "should work" with any random SSD you can buy because they need to guarantee a minimum performance on all storage so that games work as intended.
Maybe partnering with the big brands to release PS5/XSX compatible versions of their usual SSDs is the only way of keeping prices down, because if they make it proprietary with Sony/MS selling them it is likely that they will be more expensive.
SSD is still expensive so I doubt the new consoles will come with plenty of space, an upgrade in storage is probably going to be a lot more likely for user than it is now and has been in the past.
Underrated post.Leave it to Microsoft to use an obscenely expensive expandable storage solution instead of a proven, cost-effective option like a Memory Stick Pro Duo
CFexpress is PCIE basically, in a more cartridge like form factor. It can run NVMe since this is just a protocol running on PCIE transport.
This is actually a better way to do this than creating a proprietary slot for storage expansion.
If it is pci it could technically do both.I thought we had a developer saying it's a port for debugging or something?
i was mainly referring to price but i didnt mention that in my comment. i just remember when they had vita cards and how over priced those whereI don't think Sony will have an issue manufacturing expansion drives based on whatever custom tech or stack they're using. Nor MS for that matter, if that's the route they're taking.
I don't think Sony will have an issue manufacturing expansion drives based on whatever custom tech or stack they're using. Nor MS for that matter, if that's the route they're taking.
Hardware performance aside, if the software stack required goes down to the level of firmware, there'd need to be access there also that a standard drive won't necessarily give. Assuming a stack that goes down to the firmware level, if not beyond with custom hardware, the 'best' you could hope for would be partner providers with a list of compatible drives that both meet raw hardware performance requirements, and can take custom firmware. But they might be also quite happy to just manufacture and sell their own only.
I think people can forget about these SSD's running at 5-6gb/s if that's some sort of nvme port, nvme's that run at that speed get hot as fuck.
That port doesn't leave much room for cooling, besides, there is no magic cooling in consoles, RROD/YLOD existed.unlike PCs, the console will be designed around optimal cooling for the SSD. Easier to design around issues when you're working with known, fixed hardware.
That port doesn't leave much room for cooling, besides, there is no magic cooling in consoles, RROD/YLOD existed.
With the way it's just a hole, it doesn't seem like a bare SSD drive will fit snugly in that thing. Likely a proprietary SSD with an enclosure will go in there.
What are prices for such drives ?
I have 10tb and 2 left only on my one X 😅
I have 11TB (about 8-9TB installed in games) with my Xbox One X.
I'm definitely curious as to how games are going to be handled external storage wise.
Yea that's what I mean. It looks perfectly sized for an M2 drive but not really? Enclosures don't come in standard sizes so people can't just go out and get one for this and use their own M2 drive.That slot is about the same width as a regular M2 stick, which is the format plenty of NvMe drives use.
Here is one in a caddy, they are tiny now.
Technically that port is exactly where it should be for a pulling fan with an already cooled slot. Meaning it will be set up to cool that slot whether it is used or not.That port doesn't leave much room for cooling, besides, there is no magic cooling in consoles, RROD/YLOD existed.
I said exactly this when the leak first hit! I'm positive that's what it is.
That port doesn't leave much room for cooling, besides, there is no magic cooling in consoles, RROD/YLOD existed.
Yea that's what I mean. It looks perfectly sized for an M2 drive but not really? Enclosures don't come in standard sizes so people can't just go out and get one for this and use their own M2 drive.
I suspect the drives will be sold specifically for the system. Same for PS5.can't wait for the inevitable 29.99€ custom enclosure. jk aside, that's good news
I thought the cartridge patent was debunked completely and turned out to be gaming cartridges for something else. I could be wrong. They addendum'ed that patent at least once.I suspect the drives will be sold specifically for the system. Same for PS5.
Remember the patent regarding cartridges filed by Sony? I bet it's referring to expandable storage carts.
I suspect the drives will be sold specifically for the system. Same for PS5.
Remember the patent regarding cartridges filed by Sony? I bet it's referring to expandable storage carts.
I suspect the drives will be sold specifically for the system. Same for PS5.
Remember the patent regarding cartridges filed by Sony? I bet it's referring to expandable storage carts.
USB3 can handle some rather fast speeds, so "normal" SSD is totally viable with it, but NVMe, if it is indeed happening on the XSX as well, would need a different connector for sure. The best you can get on a USB type A connector is 10Gbps, and that's ideal not realworld.That's neat. Hooking up a regular usb storage device is going to be a way less enticing thing when next gen is running off SSDs. The speed disparity will be too large. Having a port that can offer faster speeds when adding more storage is super convenient as long as there isn't a big premium when buying supported formats.
Yeah, I wish we could have gotten a more internal look at the pins, as it wouldn't be difficult to just have it be an M.2 slot with an extension cable of sorts going to the actual device.When it was first shown we tried to do some math to see the exact size and stuff and did come up with m2 in a slotted holder. I am sticking to that guess.
Oh, I stand corrected then. I still think Sony will take the same approach. USB won't cut it. It'll have to be internal solution like this.I thought the cartridge patent was debunked completely and turned out to be gaming cartridges for something else. I could be wrong. They addendum'ed that patent at least once.
This was the last update I saw
[Update 21/11] The recently patented Sony cartridge is not an expandable SSD storage cartridge for the PS5. Instead, it's a game cartridge for Sony's new portable TOIO system.
Perhaps there will be an "official" accessory, but is like to hope the interface is standard and you can use any SSD / 3rd party enclosure
Sure it would make sense. NVMe drives come at different performance levels and Microsoft would want to control the minimum performance since there is likely an expectation from the developers. Making a proprietary solution allows Microsoft to control what can be put in the system and makes it easier for consumers to know what works and what doesn't.Feel like it's gonna be a caddy that you can stick a NVMe drive in.
I don't see Microsoft going with any type of proprietary solution from this, wouldn't make any sense.