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Xbox Series X Auto-HDR: one of next-gen's coolest features [Jeff Grubb & EvilBoris video]

TameLucas

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I've tested auto-HDR in a number of backward compatible games on a preview version of the Xbox Series X hardware. And it's a big benefit. Every game I tested maxes out at 1,000 Nits, which is a measure of luminance. When it comes to HDR, 1,000 Nits is a gold standard for the bright highlights in an image. HDR expert Adam Fairclough, @EvilBoris on Twitter (who you should follow), helped out with this by grabbing a heatmap of some of my HDR footage. Check it out!
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Games tested: Geometry Wars, GTA IV, Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts, Dead Cells, Yakuza 0
Article: https://venturebeat.com/2020/10/06/...e-learning-auto-hdr-renders-stunning-results/

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EDIT: another video found! Thanks, Theorry. To get the HDR, please watch it in the YouTube app on TV or phone.


Games tested: 1:36 Control 2:21 Destiny 2 3:09 Monster Hunter World 3:55 Panzer Dragoon Orta 4:23 Fusion Frenzy 4:50 Final Fantasy XV 5:37 Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice 6:21 Fallout: New Vegas 7:00 Crackdown 3 7:25 Assassins Creed Odyssey 7:56 Hydro Thunder Hurricane 8:17 Doom Eternal 8:46 Gears of War 3 9:10 Banjo Kazooie 9:37 Quantum Break 9:54 Halo Anniversary 10:18 Red Dead Redemption 2 10:42 Sunset Overdrive 11:11 Geometry Wars 2 11:35 Rise of The Tomb Raider
 
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McFly

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This is one of the coolest next gen features. Though most modern TV can do something like this, this is a much better implementation directly on the console.
 
Patitoloco

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I wonder if it works just for BC games, or a developer can say "fuck it, we're not bothering in doing HDR on our new games, we'll let the OS handle it"
 
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Geometry Wars 2 is going to look fantastic.
Geometry Wars 2 also needs a 120hz patch. No other game, really, but GeoWars2 does :P
 
Powerofthecloud

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Patitoloco said:
I wonder if it works just for BC games, or a developer can say "fuck it, we're not bothering in doing HDR on our new games, we'll let the OS handle it"
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No they want to enable Actual HDR if possible. This is still mapping with the best guess scenario. Native HDR is always going to be better. after watching the video of this seems pretty much probably what windows already does when you change it to auto HDR where are the games themselves will calibrate as well as far as brightness levels based off SD games.

Evil Boris can maybe confirm this is relatively the similar or is this something completely different?
 
Patitoloco

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No they want to enable Actual HDR if possible. This is still mapping with the best guess scenario. Native HDR is always going to be better. after watching the video of this seems pretty much probably what windows already does when you change it to auto HDR where are the games themselves will calibrate as well as far as brightness levels based off SD games. evil Boris can you confirm this is relatively the similar or is this something completely different?
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I mean, I know it's better, I was wondering if this is just something of BC games or, if not bothered to actually implement HDR during development, a next gen game can use it as well.
 
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TameLucas

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Patitoloco said:
I wonder if it works just for BC games, or a developer can say "fuck it, we're not bothering in doing HDR on our new games, we'll let the OS handle it"
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That would be really cool and I hope it's how it works.

Considering it works across three BC generations, it's probably not an emulator specific setting, so I have hope that you can enable it on the system level and that it works for next gen games as well (when there isn't HDR). Too bad the video didn't show the UI - I guess they can't show it yet.
 
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Footage looked amazing on my galaxy s9 but i fear they will not on my Samsung NU8000, it seems like it doesn't have very good HDR :(
 

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I have no idea what 1,000 Nits are but it'd be a great name for an in game currency. It's pronounced "neats" I'm guessing?

Will this improve my experience in my TCL 55S405, which has HDR but it's on the cheap side, or do you need one of those fancy high end TVs to get the difference?
 
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TameLucas

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bytesized said:
Footage looked amazing on my galaxy s9 but i fear they will not on my Samsung NU8000, it seems like it doesn't have very good HDR :(
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He suggests in the video that there is some kind of system level calibration to get the best results from the display. I'm not sure how great it will look on your TV, but maybe this will allow for you to get some nice auto-HDR picture as well :D
 
Theorry

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Another vid from yesterday with alot more vids and games. Need to be watched in YT app on TV or phone

 
Nameless

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This was one of the coolest features on paper and it's totally delivered so far. Incredible stuff.
 
Bishop89

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Can you properly see HDR on your phone? Apparently my Samsung s20+ can view HDR and when I view the video 1080P/HDR is selected, however the video just looks "Normal" to me. I don't really know what HDR is supposed to look like 😔
 
EvilBoris

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Bishop89 said:
Can you properly see HDR on your phone? Apparently my Samsung s20+ can view HDR and when I view the video 1080P/HDR is selected, however the video just looks "Normal" to me. I don't really know what HDR is supposed to look like 😔
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You can, Make sure you are viewing inside the YouTube app- embedded videos don't play in hdr
 
arsene_P5

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Based Xbox BC Team. I wonder what other enhancements powered by the cloud they come up with.
 
Overflow

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Such an amazing feature, really hope Sony whips up something comparable on PS5 - especially since they have shiny new HDR TVs to sell. It's a no brainer.
 
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This is magic to me, such a cool feature would be awesome if they could implement this into Windows in some way.
 
digitalrelic

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This is going to be freaking awesome.

Imagining Final Fantasy XIII in 4K/HDR on Series X.... Got damn.
 
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Bishop89 said:
Can you properly see HDR on your phone? Apparently my Samsung s20+ can view HDR and when I view the video 1080P/HDR is selected, however the video just looks "Normal" to me. I don't really know what HDR is supposed to look like 😔
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I know right Bishop! 4K/HDR just looks brighter but rather normal to me... Can't really tell

Recently order a 4k tv (Samsung 55Q95T), but in two minds whether people are exaggerating the effects of 4k/hdr or whether it is less noticeable on a smaller oled screen.
 
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Bishop89 said:
Can you properly see HDR on your phone? Apparently my Samsung s20+ can view HDR and when I view the video 1080P/HDR is selected, however the video just looks "Normal" to me. I don't really know what HDR is supposed to look like 😔
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You'll need to boost your phone screen brightness to max to get it look right, if I remember how HDR works on my Galaxy.
 
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The non-uniformity in HDR implementations this gen was one of my biggest disappointments. So many games with broken or useless HDR, some where the game looked better with it off (including huge AAA games like RDR2). What a complete shitshow. It kind of soured me on HDR in general.
 
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This just makes me want a new Panzer Dragoon game...


Yea, I want a XSX this go around... 😭😭
 
Dunlop

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Looks amazing, as I had a PS4 this gen I will have so much content to play when I get my X it is crazy
 
FuturaBold

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I can't wait to see The Division 1 and Control w/ auto HDR. Also Kingdom Hearts 3 with all the effects as well!
 
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Bishop89 said:
Can you properly see HDR on your phone? Apparently my Samsung s20+ can view HDR and when I view the video 1080P/HDR is selected, however the video just looks "Normal" to me. I don't really know what HDR is supposed to look like 😔
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I have the same phone, and the video played in HDR for me. The app just plays HDR automatically - a good way to tell would be to check your screen brightness, as the phone automatically cranks it to the maximum when you're watching HDR content.

HDR on my S20 looks so much better than it does on my TV... Watching the video actually made me a little sad that it won't look anywhere near this good when I get the console myself haha
 

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Holly smoke, thank you for the HDR video, on my phone (S10e) it looks phenomenal!
 
digitalrelic

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Ringten said:
I know right Bishop! 4K/HDR just looks brighter but rather normal to me... Can't really tell

Recently order a 4k tv (Samsung 55Q95T), but in two minds whether people are exaggerating the effects of 4k/hdr or whether it is less noticeable on a smaller oled screen.
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With a decent display, HDR is truly a game changer. It's impact is not exaggerated at all.
 
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Holy shit @ HDR Kamarucho!!
 
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I just looked at the second video on an HDR panel and holy fucking shit. Honestly looks much better than I had guessed it would, and I'm really excited to try out various games. Sunset Overdrive especially looked incredible (but also like it was run through an image filter) and Panzer Dragoon looks insane
 
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