Unless I misread it, all Xbox One games (except for Kinect ones) will be available through BC. But not all of them will have changes, like a game that has animations tied to a capped 30 fps.
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Yes, barring Kinect, the entire Xbox One library will work on Series X out of the box. The same XB and 360 games that are incompatible now will continue to be incompatible. (But maybe not forever-- *crosses fingers*)
unless you're crazy about Kinect, why in the world would you keep a One X if you're getting a Series X
We should operate like what we have now is what we're going to get, but it seems entirely possible that more OGX and 360 games will be added to the BC list during this generation.
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Embargoes. But we're gonna start seeing them.
They.. already have. It's called the Heutchy method, and is mentioned in the OP. They've been able to bring OG Xbox games and 360 games to 4k. And it looks like they'll be able to use it for some One games too (no examples, so we'll see). BC games also automatically have access to 16x anisotropic filtering, which helps with aliasing as well.
Seems like today would be the day, right?
(or maybe they're just pushing the patch that releases them today, and the embargo for the coverage will be Friday/Monday?)
Here's hoping! God knows I've got a list of 360 games I want. I'm sure we all do.
Amazing. Can't wait to replay it again, one of my favourite games.
Any chance of some new OG Xbox or 360 games being added to BC w/ Series X launch?
Really hoping for the DoA2U or 3 to get added.
Really hoping for the DoA2U or 3 to get added.
I think it's possible but we're just waiting for official confirmation by Xbox.
Dead or Alive 3 is unlikely due to licensing issues due to several Aerosmith songs being in it
I think it's about what they were saying before about creating a more PC-like ecosystem:
When you buy new hardware, your old software should all come with you and also see substantial improvements. So while the means of providing that isn't necessarily the same as how it is on PC, they're doing what they can to provide that concept/experience.
And this is what I've been saying in response to people who complain about not enough next-gen content to justify a day one purchase (for either console): Any premium you're paying for buying the console now versus waiting a year or two is completely justified by the better overall experience you're going to have playing all of your existing games during that time.
Like, what are you going to really save? At best, you're going to get a $50 off or an extra bundled controller on these consoles next year for Black Friday. And you're not going to save more than a $100 by waiting until the following year either. So isn't it worth that $50 to play all of your games for the next 12 months with way faster load times and at better resolutions with better framerates? Or $100 to enjoy the same for an entire two years?
I think the whole thing is a no-brainer.
Just Cause 3 is a good example. Would love to see how it performs on XSX.
You'd need enough titles to test. Then you'd need to enable them all on the consoles. And most importantly, there'd need to be enough time to test the titles and then write them up. My guess is they're spreading out coverage anyway, though. If you get info drops regularly, those of us who follow the news will always have something coming up soon. And the people who pay less attention won't mind either way.
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about Itagaki's obsession with that group. Pretty sure 2U has Aerosmith in the intro, too.
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You never know. It all depends on the details of the licensing deal. They may perhaps be able to allow those games to BC but can't allow the digital version to be sold unless the licenses are renegotiated. So the only way you could play through BC is having a physical disc like Peter Jackson's King Kong.
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Currently playing Fallout 4 and I legit think I will hold off on it until I get a Series X in a month. This is incredibly good stuff.
You're missing the point. The method they used to achieve a doubled framerate here is what is impressive. The implications are exciting.
The game on console has a 30 fps cap, and this is a sort of "middleware" solution that can improve BC titles past those limits without an individual game patch. It's similar to the 4K enhancements to original Xbox and 360 games.
I couldn't care less about Crackdown, but it's still mind-blowing to see.
There is a advantage on Xbox side, because it doesn't need legacy modes and if you hit a game on PS5, which officially breaks the game, then legacy mode will be enabled. Legacy games won't run or look better than on PS4/Pro. That's the difference.
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Non optimized games could be twice the FPS. However the Xbox team will select which games are getting the enhancements based on their testings. If you didn't know, some games tie game logic and physics to the framerate, which would break the game when running with twice the framerate.
You could see it that way and in a way it is imo. However I think the enhanced games fit with the memories people have about the games, because in a humans mind old games always look better than they actually did.
So in your opinion Microsoft shouldn't be allowed to tell people that their BC work is so good that they don't need fallback modes for compatibility? Ok, I guess. Not every blog post is about console wars. They are just clearly proud about their solution and their advantages.
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I'm curious to know how they do it, I wonder if they are essentially "modding" titles to do it.
Goddamn.
Is this on Gamepass?
Game was super fun back in the day.
In case anyone wanted confirmation/clarification, Crackdown definitely had a 30 fps cap, including enhanced on the 1X.
Oh wow, so I guess that makes it confirmed game #2 for the double frame rate cap method. Give us more!
No, but it's available as a free download from the store, as well as the 2nd one.
More than likely, just overwriting directx calls with new values. But if an application is hardcoded to values in any way, it would fall inot the "nope...can't do it" pile
(Very similar to Durante fix for Dark Souls on PC)
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It's genuinely impressive, I'd love to have more idea how it works. Anyone got a list of frame rate capped games to hand?
But wouldn't that require them to mod every title that takes advantage of it? If it at a system level, it seems less likely correct?
So nice of Dante from DMC to fix that bad Dark Souls port for us.
It's both. It happens in the emulation layer, not the game code itself, but it still has to be implemented on a title by title basis because it won't work correctly with all games.
I don't really care about Kinect but i'd rather leave the door open. I've set up my hardware/device collection so that at any time i'm able to play any current or older game if i want to.
Plus One X is a more compact. If i'm visiting my parents it will be much easier to pack in my Switch and One X.
I wonder if the frame rate will be doubled for Dark Souls 3. I've finished it on PS4/PC, but I couldn't on Xbox One because the framerate/resolution was so poor.
Yeah, this is what I imagine . Finding the hex value for the FPS cap and changing it. That's possibly a massive disservice , but I'd love to know
Polygon is claiming that the origonal Crackdown runs at 60fpa on Series X.
www.polygon.com
I wonder if this is true? I thought it was originally 30? Maybe the framerate was always unlocked?
The Xbox Series X is the Xbox 360 of my dreams
Finally, games like Crackdown can fulfill their potential
www.polygon.com
I wonder if this is true? I thought it was originally 30? Maybe the framerate was always unlocked?
Noob Xbox question, do you have to subscribe to anything to get access to the BC games? Like if I bought a Series X and wanted to play original Xbox games, do I need game pass or live or whatever?
The framerate was capped at 30fps.Polygon is claiming that the origonal Crackdown runs at 60fpa on Series X.
The Xbox Series X is the Xbox 360 of my dreams
Finally, games like Crackdown can fulfill their potential
I wonder if this is true? I thought it was originally 30? Maybe the framerate was always unlocked?
No.
There are many X360 games (and some OG Xbox games) on Game Pass, but you don't have to subscribe to anything, no.
You can just buy them individually on the store or insert a disc if you have one.
Live is still required for multiplayer, obviously.