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Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S Will Be the Best Place to Play 1000s of Games From Across Four Generations of Xbox (new info on framerate doubling)
- Thread starter Theorry
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We definitely knew about unlocked framerates automatically hitting 60 fps without touching the code. Is this something different (genuinely asking)?
Skyrim Special Edition runs on the same version of the engine as Fallout 4 (iirc it was just an internal test of the engine changes where they used Skyrim as a testbed and eventually decided to release it because it was a fully functional "next gen" Skyrim) so I have to imagine that if the BC team has gotten their technique to work on Fallout 4, they will likely have it working on Skyrim, similar to the Oblivion/Fallout 3 being X enhanced at the same time
Lordy. This is almost making me reconsider not getting a Series X since I also plan on building a new PC. I've got piles of 360 games I would love to play again with higher framerates (where applicable). I don't think I can justify $500 for backwards compatibility though when I'm not sure there will be any exclusives that don't come to PC. I shelled out for an Xbox One when Halo 5 came out and got Rare Replay but I didn't touch BC on it at all and now it's boxed up. Maybe down the line when its cheaper I can justify it being a backwards compatibility machine. Oddly enough, the way the PS5 handles PS4 games will be a deciding factor on how soon I get one but I won't get into that here.
Really cool stuff and hopefully there's a good chunk of games I own that aren't physics/animation bound to 30fps
Really cool stuff and hopefully there's a good chunk of games I own that aren't physics/animation bound to 30fps
Dark Souls game logic has been tied to frame rate in the past right? This would make the frame rate doubling highly doubtful unless DS3 works totally different.
Fallout 4's frame rate is actually locked at 30fps though on Xbox One and Xbox One X
Not to be a dick but that info is literally in the first post. The games that they apply this to will not have an already unlocked frame rate.
That's pretty neat then! I'm more of a resolution over framerate guy, but will still appreciate it on some games.
I'm kind of surprised they aren't pushing for 8k60 on the 6th/7th gen stuff. The hardware is certainly capable of it.
There seem to be some confusion as to what using the full power of the series x means in this context. Both the Xbox One X and The PS4 pro did not allow games that weren't originally compiled for them to use the full power of the hardware. They were restricted from accessing the entire hardware for compatibility reasons. The Series S/X on the other hand allows games that weren't intended for the those consoles to "see" and utilize the entirety of the hardware. That's what they mean by "full power". Sekiro and AC Untiy are definitely accessing the full power of the hardware but they are just using it in an inefficient way, that's what games compiled from the ground up for the Series S/X is for.
Do you think games will need to installed on the internal / expansion card to take advantage of this?
yes, the example on the OP shows fallout 4, which is a game with a 30fps cap.
No. Games that need that are going to made specifically with it in mind
At the very worst there is a mod you can get from the ingame directory to uncap the framerate.
It will work on both Internal/Expansion cards as well as USB drives.
Thanks. I appreciate it.
While true, I think a lot of people would not know off hand that Fallout 4 has a locked framerate. It would actually be really helpful if OP included a note that this is for games with locked framerates.
LOL That's the whole point of doubling the framerate and why it only works on select games. C'mon now, do you need everything spelled out for you. The first part of the paragraph addresses unstable framerates reaching their caps more often or locked through BC on XSX/XSS.
Man I'm floored by the BC team. Wizards.
I hope some of my personal favourites get the boosts as well like XCOM 2, Deus Ex MD. Some games are totally different experiences with frames and res boosted.
I can't wait to see what games get the enhancements and to what extent.
I hope some of my personal favourites get the boosts as well like XCOM 2, Deus Ex MD. Some games are totally different experiences with frames and res boosted.
I can't wait to see what games get the enhancements and to what extent.
im playing Chaos Theory on my 1X and the game looks incredible in 4K
Dude, you are off base and rude. That wording would absolutely fit the old feature of games with unlocked framerates too. Because guess what? Those are select games too. The quote you provided does not make it clear.
Come on Division 2 60fps. That game looks and feels so much better on PC...and the devs have already said they aren't going to make any optimization patches.
I was not trying to be rude, but pointing out what's obvious that for some reason you seem to clearly miss. The first part of the paragraph addresses unstable/unlocked framerates made steadier. The second part of the paragraph I bolded addresses doubling the framerates in select games using techniques/methods by the BC team. I have no idea why you think I'm off base when I'm clearly not.
No. Games with variable fps were expected to hit close or are even running at the maximum frame rate possible. This here goes beyond that and the emulator makes the game run at twice the original frame rate, possible only on games where the game logic is not tied to the refresh rate.
I'm a bit skeptical about this, just because there have been a lot of people with Series X consoles already and testing back compat games and I haven't noticed them coming back and talking up the doubled framerates. So maybe this is a very limited-application feature.
I would 100% replay Alien Isolation if the framerate improved...
I was recently told that the Xbox Series X (or any console ) could not run at sustained clocks all of the time and 12TF is the theroetical max, but this seems to disprove that.
The whole coverage so far is built on Microsoft NDA which controls when and what to say. We haven't had coverage of enhanced games in any way yet while we know several games will receive updates. That said, every game receiving such an update is great to have and I'm eager to see what else they were able to do with their superior emulation technique.
The doubling of framerate in previously framerate locked games is fucking incredible. Microsoft is killing it with their backwards compatibility.
Technically. You should probably expect this feature to roll out slowly though so we dont know when its going to happen, or if at all.
I don't agree with you, but that's fine. Let's move on so as not to clutter up the thread.
Thanks. I really hope it happens 🙏. But if not, at least I can play DS1 with HDR now.
Really hoping Sony loops in all these features but BC doesn't seem to be a focus :/
This will not apply across the board. It's going to be like 4K 360 games on X1X, limited to certain games with a handful rolling out at a time.
Yeah, my other thought is that they're "releasing" or otherwise making available like 200 games per week to the people with preview consoles.
So it may be that they're releasing them in tiers: (1) games without framerate doubling, (2) games with framerate doubling, and (3) games with Series X/S enhancements.
There's nothing to disagree on. I was just trying to help you out by pointing out in the OP where it states about "doubling the framerate". Reminder to self: not to help you out in the future because it's not worth the hassle.
They have a preview build console, not final build, also MS will continue to release updates for BC to improve performance, and add to the library of games..
I say let's move on and you keep at it? I said I disagree that the quote makes it crystal clear. I guess you can't let it go though.
I merely responded to your post and I was through and moved on. Yet you responded back and create a false narrative that I can't let it go? LOL SMH Y'see what I'm talking about? There's no point ever trying to help you out again. Nothing personal. I just learned from this experience in how to better interact with you in the future.
Are you going to let it go now? Or me responding back is me not letting it go? LOL
Microsoft does a great job at hyping this up, but in the end it's only going to be a handful of titles that receive the enhancements, and from the looks of it we're going to have to wait for games to be whitelisted for BC over time.
I'm still keeping my One X/360/OG since there's a ton of older games that are never going to be available.
Edit: 360 instead of 365
I'm still keeping my One X/360/OG since there's a ton of older games that are never going to be available.
Edit: 360 instead of 365
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In case it's not clear to anyone, the new info in the article is about doubling the maximum possible framerate in games already hitting their caps behind-the-scenes. So a game previously limited to a maximum of either 30 (or 60 fps) could play with a new max of 60 (or 120 fps). Similar to the 1X enhancements from current gen, these are on a title-by-title basis, because they need to be tested for unintended complications. The article and OP describes this with some concrete examples, to help clarify the difference between the new hardware making the games play at their current limits, vs going beyond that. It's also nice to have it confirmed further that those enhancements are present on both Series S and X.