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Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation
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Fuck it I am out. Not going to argue against sweaty circlejerking that goes around here. We will eventually see how powerful they both are when games are out. Just don't be upset when some games will work better on PS5 even when it's not "strongest console ever".
Thats fine if you don't want any background services running. No trophies, no chat, no messaging, no background downloads
If you're leaving, go ahead, but please don't undermine actual technical discussion with "sweaty circlejerking".
If you don't know something, like how I don't really know the details on tech, it's okay to just say that.
Now
That's a easy way out I guess. Sorry but its fact that XSX uses 13.5 gb for games. Not 10gb. If you are called out on a fact just say your wrong. We all are sometimes.
I believe it's both
And there he goes, the little ray of sunshine and knowledge
Xbox pushing the industry forward. what an interesting article! Some behind the scene plays with the HDMI forum and TV manufacturers that started with ONE S and ONE X. wowzaStumbled across this article looking a bit more deeply at the dynamic latency stuff on XSX:
Xbox Series X: What’s the Deal with Latency? - Xbox Wire
Webster’s Dictionary defines ‘latency’ as “the quality or state of being present and capable of emerging or developing but not now visible, obvious, or active.” And now that I’ve finally gotten to use that hackneyed writing trope in my career, let’s dive into what latency means in the world of...news.xbox.com
It isn't necessarily better or as clear cut as you're making it seem for two reasons.
1.) Because of the way ram works, every time the XSX's CPU has to access ram (which is going to be routinely), it does so at the slower 336 GB/s speed, during which the GPU essentially has to wait its turn before it can access the ram. So in that sense the GPU is beholden to the CPU memory bandwidth and the entire average bandwidth is going be less thanks to the slower 6GB. Comparatively the CPU in the PS4 will access its ram at the same 448 GB/s as the GPU, so irrespective of whether the GPU or CPU access the ram, it's the same speed for both, and that is higher than the XSX's CPU ram access bandwidth.
2.) Add to the above, we don't actually know how much video ram will be available to devs with the PS5. If the PS5 offers more for GPU use than the XSX (eg more than 10GB), which might be the case if theories from NXGamer and others hold any weight, then the PS5 has yet another bandwidth (and memory) advantage, as not only will its CPU have faster memory access, but it's GPU will have faster bandwidth over everything beyond 10GB too.
I don't think Microsoft will develop a different chipset for Lockhart. If anything it will be binned Scarlett chips.
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation
Oke. No ideas what that has to do with my XSX post and the 13.5gb for games and not 10.
Just backing up your points about the ram useage mistakes and the likelyhood the PS5 will use more than 1Gb.
Thats not correct, every core in CPU and GPU can access memory independently and with Mesh Shaders CPU usage for drawcalls is almost eliminated.
That was accounted for, as the entirety of the OS footprint was not set aside, only a lions share. Remember, the 360 had everything you mentioned and only had 32mb of its ram set aside for said functions.
That's not what has been explained based on the stack set up, more on it here.
I think at this point any logical person knows the xsx is more powerful.
I don't think I've ever been this excited for a new console. The thing is a beast, but I also love how it looks. It looks so unique and premium, and the green accent at the top is just perfect.
Nah it's alright. And now after all the specs are out it'll be interesting to see how it'll stack up to the new consoles. It's behind XSX but actually ahead of PS5 in some areas which is surprising, and we still haven't seen the result of stackable hardware and elastic computing or if Google is willing to upgrade if needed like they said they would.
Another developer also think the PS5 is listing the boost numbers rather than sustained numbers.
And we effectively will never know the if its sustaining those speeds, third party devs need to just come out and tell us how easily it can sustain its boost speeds.
Yes I know Cerny said it will be at continuous boost most of the time we just have to take his word for it until third party devs start talking about it.
Wait how do you calculate that?
Did you read the RAM breakdown and why?
10GB is GPU optimized fast RAM and only when they really really need that speed for the CPU (rarely) will it be eating into that 10.
3.5GB is basically system RAM or general ram, 2.5 is reserved for the OS.
GPU optimized RAM when we have super fast SSDs already is a good trade off.
Wow great stuff here, man I love everything MS is doing with Series X. Input lag really needed to be addressed for next-gen and it sounds like they've done everything technically possible to minimize it from controller -> console -> display. As cliché as it sounds this thing is quickly turning into my dream console..just hoping they can get it to us at $499..Stumbled across this article looking a bit more deeply at the dynamic latency stuff on XSX:
Xbox Series X: What’s the Deal with Latency? - Xbox Wire
Webster’s Dictionary defines ‘latency’ as “the quality or state of being present and capable of emerging or developing but not now visible, obvious, or active.” And now that I’ve finally gotten to use that hackneyed writing trope in my career, let’s dive into what latency means in the world of...
About XSX memory:
The 560 GB/s for the 10GB is not optimized on speed, it is the standard speed of those 10 14Gbps GDDR6 memory chips. The reason for the setup was to maintain signal integrity (MS words). The lower speed pool only exists because of the reduced width of the memory bus that can used on the 2GB storage capacity chips (only 6 of them = 192 bit bus).
I enjoy looking at the technology powering the next generation.
beautiful
I was getting that info from the multiple Inside Series X features.
Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs
This is it. After months of teaser trailers, blog posts and even the occasional leak, we can finally reveal firm, hard …
www.eurogamer.net
The exact quote is:
In terms of how the memory is allocated, games get a total of 13.5GB in total, which encompasses all 10GB of GPU optimal memory and 3.5GB of standard memory. This leaves 2.5GB of GDDR6 memory from the slower pool for the operating system and the front-end shell.
I might have been misinterpreting what its saying.
Hi, this is my first post! I was curious about the raw SSD speeds provided by both companies. I've been led to believe that very high-speed SSDs are not able to sustain their throughput due to heat, and numbers drop off fairly quickly and are possibly much lower than that. Do we know whether Microsoft/Sony have confirmed their ratings are for sustained throughput?
From the sweets:
Data that need high speeds, like textures, will use the first 1GB of each of the 10 glasses (10*56GB/s=560GB/s) while data that doesn't need high speed, like sound, will use the last 1GB of the bigger glasses (6*56GB/s=336GB/s).
I believe that MS have confirmed that their speed is sustained.
And welcome!
My emphasis was on the term "optimized". That speeds are not optimized. They are result of the number of lanes available for a range of memory. 10GB of the 16GB memory has a full 320 bit memory bus available while 6 GB of the 16 GB have a memory bus of 192-bit available.I was getting that info from the multiple Inside Series X features.
Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs
This is it. After months of teaser trailers, blog posts and even the occasional leak, we can finally reveal firm, hard …
The exact quote is:
In terms of how the memory is allocated, games get a total of 13.5GB in total, which encompasses all 10GB of GPU optimal memory and 3.5GB of standard memory. This leaves 2.5GB of GDDR6 memory from the slower pool for the operating system and the front-end shell.
I might have been misinterpreting what its saying.
Thanks. So we are waiting for Sony to provide further information. I am curious to see how they are going to adequately cool their SSD.
MS is guaranteeing their numbers per Eurogamer. Nothing like that mentioned from Sony.
Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs
This is it. After months of teaser trailers, blog posts and even the occasional leak, we can finally reveal firm, hard …
www.eurogamer.net
Yeah, CPU has slower access in comparison, but GPU has still full bandwidth. And CPU blocking GPU access to some modules when accessing data is the same in both architectures, but GPU can still access RAM modules that CPU is not accessing at given moment.
All of this is true, and none of it conflicts with what I've posted.
Read a few posts up.
MS actually tested their cooling in the desert too and many people are saying it's whisper quiet iirc
Okey, then I misunderstood you, nothing to see here, move along :)
The bolded is false as has already been explained.
Also On both the PS5 and XSX the CPU and GPU share the bandwidth. Its one pool of memory on both consoles.
How I see it;
We know how a CPU and GPU affect a game, and we know how solid state memory will affect game design, but I don't know how the extra 5gbs of speed on the PS5 SSD will do much better for games compared to xsx
We know how a CPU and GPU affect a game, and we know how solid state memory will affect game design, but I don't know how the extra 5gbs of speed on the PS5 SSD will do much better for games compared to xsx