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Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation
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Haven't had time to sift through all this new information yet but have there been any recommendations for XSX placement? I'm planning on buying a new TV cabinet soon for my C9 and to prep for next-gen and I'm looking at something that offers a compartment of roughly 60x40x60 cm for the console. Alternatively, I might go with something that provides 60x40x35 cm for the console alone but I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to place it standing up in that.
I don't believe 2. I just don't. This is, so far as we can tell, a bog-standard SSD with a proprietary connector. The special sauce is a new API made for low-latency reads, and a decompression chip on the mainboard. From the numbers we know, the SSD is nothing special. If it is, show me what I've missed.<
3 only holds true in a free market. With a single company (Microsoft) controlling supply and pricing of replacement drives, there is no such guarantee.
Good for you. Sucks for the people who will run into this issue though.
But why not allow the option? Having a removable SSD wouldn't prevent having the USB HDD option available as well.
Do we know how many Shader Engines there are in XSX APU ?
If the GPU clock speed is 1825Mhz and 52 CUs it is 12.147 Tflops. How did they calculate 12.155?
Interesting stuff from the DX stream tomorrow
MS, Nvidia and AMD will be there.
There should be some good stuff here.
If those PSU figures of 255W + 60W are final, then the GPU definitely uses less than 200W.
I supppose in console world, you need fixed performance that is not dictated by the thermal state of the user's home.
No good a game being able to ask for a high clock temporarily if the thermal management kills it imediately or if it creates a state of overheating which then causes it to throttle below the starting clock.
Perhaps They really were keen to say that in case there was a suggestion the upper number was a theoretical maximum ,rather than a practical one.
Perhaps they anticipate Sony using boosted speeds in the marketing of PS5
Very exciting indeed. DXR 1.1 and Mesh Shading could be huge.
I'm assuming it's for yields they would have to guarantee that all the chips can do 3.8GHz with SMT on so they lowered it. I wonder if they can boost clocks for loading situations like the way Nintendo did with the Switch.
I saw other people mentioning it being shown in that one Austin Evans video which I only just started watching now. But here's him mentioning it and if you do some zoom and enhance, you can make out the specs as well.
Same haha. I must admit, seeing all those cool renders of Series X got various games makes me wish those were real too!
So XB1 gams can work fine being played from external HDD but XSX games need to be played from the internal SSD or the external SSD. Does the external SSD speed differ from the internal one too?
I'm just imagining what cool limited edition designs MS gonna do with that XSX tower. Certainly would be more unique than whatever we got from past 2 generations.
No GPU, it is just a format for compress further texture on storage. This is the Direct Storage format use for texture.
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I'm not opposed to the option in theory, but I understand the argument against adding variables to the equations and the potential negative impacts in practice. Designing form and function around failures that are improbable and features that will be underutilized isn't the way to go.
We've seen devs on ps4 talk about having to account for under-performant drives. And if ps4 allowed usb drives from the start, swapping storage would have been a rare occurance- because console users value plug-and-play and adding to their existing storage rather than giving up one drive for another.
Most people just want to be able to store more games And they are going to overwhelmingly choose the option that provides the most bang for their buck.
Ultimately when you look at how users and most developers will use the device, I don't see removable storage being a value add.
I'm not opposed to the option in theory, but I understand the argument against adding variables to the equations and the potential negative impacts in practice. Designing form and function around failures that are improbable and features that will be underutilized isn't the way to go.
We've seen devs on ps4 talk about having to account for under-performant drives. And if ps4 allowed usb drives from the start, swapping storage would have been a rare occurance- because console users value plug-and-play and adding to their existing storage rather than giving up one drive for another.
Most people just want to be able to store more games And they are going to overwhelmingly choose the option that provides the most bang for their buck.
Ultimately when you look at how users and most developers will use the device, I don't see removable storage being a value add.
Ah, so it can be used by every system when the new Direct Storage API releases, that's cool. Does this mean textures are going to use less VRAM or does it mean the game takes less space on the SSD? Sorry I don't know much about compression...
I mean, these are all valid concerns, but there are so many ways to get around them that I just don't see it. I mean, a certification program would have been way lower-effort than producing proprietary drives. Since that they have gone through that trouble, I have a hard time believing that they won't capitalise on the opportunity to increase profits.
the difference is going from 250MB/s on a external SSD to 5GB/s internal storage. So that is pretty big difference
What? External SSD is just 250MB/s? Where is this stated? I thought HDD was 120MB/s.
It might reduce game sizes one disk slightly, but that's not the primary benefit. What this actually means is that CPU time will be freed up from decompressing files when loading them from disk. Devs already compress quite a lot, but perhaps not as much as they could to save CPU. This removes that concern.
External SSDs should be able to do 2.5 GB/s if they're using USB3 gen2x2. Hard to say what type of port is on the XSX at this point though. If not, they'll be limited to 1.25 GB/s.
Still very fast.
it was just a rough estimate. Most reach 500MB/s but it all depends on size and memory controller on the SSD
Yet it took a decade to reach into console space. Overall good that it did eventually!
It is a free market. Ms is not producing the external drives Seagate is. They said Seagate will have an exclusivity window but then it will open to other manufacturers.
Likely MS did this to reduce the cost of the internal drive which currently is also produced by Seagate.
The crucial metric here is also latency, not only bandwidth, and going by MS' words, to keep the bandwidth at that *all the time*, at any circumstances. This is not a given in today's SSDs.
No, it is not a free market when you're forced to use a proprietary connector, and likely some HW DRM, which Microsoft has control over.
I really, really doubt that the latency introduced by a USB3 or TB3 port would be an issue for this use case. It's just loading data off a disk, it's not like it's being used as a computational cache. Keeping that bandwidth "at all times" should just be a certification requirement. There's nothing about USB AFAIK that prevents that from happening. Certainly not for TB3.
It is a highly spec'ed drive that will obviously have some requirements but if any manufacturer will be able to make and sell these how wouldn't it be a free market?
But that still has nothing to do with down-clocking whilst idle. PCs have the ability to run at their rated clock speeds 100% of the time but can down-clock for thermals and power consumption purposes. If anything, all of that hardware being wedged into a box half the size of your standard PC case would benefit from down-clocking. Surely they could have the hardware down-clock after 30 seconds after the system switches from a game to the dashboard?